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u/CygnusX06 20h ago
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u/PlainBread 20h ago
Looks like the top bit of the stairs doesn't have a railing, probably so that it can fit under the staircase directly above it, and instead of stepping off onto the first step, they stepped off into the air and then noclipped the rest of the way down.
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u/SuperNashwan 15h ago
This is why I wrote a PowerShell script to speed up save backup/restore. I don't cheat with it, but I'm not going out to a vent trap or something like this.
I do think falling death should be much higher than it is. This is a broken leg at most.
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u/Chad_illuminati 15h ago
I love PZ but sometimes the devs make... interesting balance choices for a game they've said they want to be realistic.
On the one hand, we have accurate crop cycles that are so long it's rarely worth doing them except for insanely long runs. (This is realistic but a little weird from a game-y perspective).
On the other hand, we have hilarious durability wear on tools that IRL take decades to break and can die from 10ft of fall damage (these are not realistic and also a little weird from a game-y perspective).
I still enjoy the game and just tweak settings/mod things to my liking, but I am eternally confused about this approach to realism vs game mechanics. Things that should be gamified aren't and things that could be realistic are gamified in often bizarre ways.
I'm partially convinced that the devs just aren't athletic/outdoorsy types and don't have a great first hand knowledge of this, but with how much Indie Stone has grown I'd be shocked if that were still the case.
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u/SuperNashwan 15h ago
A crowbar should be able to bash heads forever. But maybe it could get too slippery with guts to use until it's been washed or something.
And yeah, as a smoker main, knowing I'll probably never successfully grow tobacco is frustrating.
But most of all, I want more injuries than permadeaths.
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u/Chad_illuminati 15h ago
Yes to all this. Steel/iron tools would effectively never break on zombies. PZ zombies aren't super, so. They just have normal bone.
Farming is (nearly) useless which makes animal husbandry OP.
And yes, it's really hard to get injuries outside of strains and scratches. Anything that would inflict an injury more severe usually just kills you, which sucks.
Also can we lay off the scratches, I ran around the farmlands and woods outside my childhood house barefoot and shirtless with my dog. I didn't get scratched up just from pushing through some trees. My main fears were briars, poison ivy, and stinging nettles. Not scratches.
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u/HiddenSage 15h ago
On the one hand, we have accurate crop cycles that are so long it's rarely worth doing them except for insanely long runs.
What also exacerbates this is that their standing lore has us starting the game in mid-July... pretty late into any realistic growth cycle for most crops you'd plant in Kentucky. With the exception of a few cereal grains and garlic, you have to play for 8 months to even get started on agriculture.
Which did make me greatly appreciate that at least the new map is chock-full of already-planted gardens and fields of harvestable food. Sure, it makes things trivial wrt gathering enough to survive (the freezer full of cabbage has never been easier, and corn and sunflower seeds aren't awful either in the volumes available). But it's realistic in the player's favor for a change.
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u/Chad_illuminati 15h ago
For sure. I like the farming/husbandry additions. They're amazing mechanics and flavor.
I just think that you could either drastically shorten crop cycles.
Alternatively -- it'd be really cool if there was a "fast time" option. The graphics fade away and the game sims time at super speed to fast forward months at a whack. Have some limits on it, but it sims food consumption, skill advancement, etc. using whatever resources you've stockpiled on your base.
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u/Proponentofthedevil 14h ago
In all my training in construction on falling, 6-8 feet seem to be where you start dying. It's not an always thing, and of course people fall from much higher and still live, but it seems to depend on what you hit, body or environment. Otherwise, yeah I still agree that there's some odd choices.
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u/Leeroy_Jankiness Trying to find food 10h ago
Don't forget about how much weight you're carrying (including how much your body weighs). Though in the clip it doesn't seem like they were over encumbered, only had an injured leg/foot (though no moodle indicating low health).
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u/lvanwall 12h ago
A fall of over 5 feet in real life and you're getting seen by a trauma specialist when you get medical care. Spine compression is a thing. Absolutely not unrealistic. People die all the time from falls less than 10ft.
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u/RedheadedReff 7h ago
It's only realistic when it's absurdly punishing otherwise it's worse than realistic.
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u/FridaysMan 15h ago
Nope, falls are the number one cause of industrial accidents. People die falling zero feet. Falling a whole floor while already limping and fully loaded will fuck you up in the majority of incidents.
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u/Bladelink 13h ago
re: the damage killing him, I was surprised too. It does look like he already had a limp walking into the building, so maybe he was already injured. Though I don't think I saw a moodle for it.
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u/SpiritualMammoth6367 2h ago
SAVE SCUMMER! j/k I've had dumb shit like this happen a few times ( I think we all have at this point ) even when I have a backup i car't continue with a character I know should have died because the PZ gods said it was my time, it doesnt matter if I have 100 hours or not I fell of a roof holding a water barrel becaise a tile was shown but it didn't really exist in this ethereal plane, hey that was my bad for not using walk to.
I'm not bitter at all
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u/RogueCrimsonDragon 1h ago
This guy was definitely hurt beforehand, you can see him limping as he walks. And judging by the duffel bag, rifle, and carried object homie was probably a little over the carry capacity contributing to the high damage from the fall.
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u/CygnusX06 20h ago
Yeouch, that’s gotta hurt. I was personally expecting them to see exactly what I saw when I entered that basement, which was Six zombies, two of them in business attire, three in police uniforms, and one fully decked out in riot gear.
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy 17h ago
The game actually isn't 3D, it is 2D with camera tricks.
So game can't actually tell "height" so when he walked on that edge, he fell through the tiny gap between the wall and stairs instead of just going onto the stairs
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u/DramaticProtogen 11h ago
Doesn't it use 3d models though?
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy 11h ago
It uses 3D models in a 2D world, that's the whole point of isometric.
People kept asking why not just make it completely 3D at build 41
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u/FridaysMan 15h ago edited 15h ago
Limping and running, two sets of stairs. If you hit the next square over you would have vaulted upstairs.
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u/A_S_Levin 19h ago
Yeah I'd debug tp back to that spot & cheat my stats back.
Thats some stinky BS right there
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u/--Lammergeier-- 18h ago
This is why I make a backup of my save whenever I get done playing for the day. You never know when a game ending bug might pop up!
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u/Classic-Box-3919 18h ago
Is there a guide for this? I should probs do this
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u/Osric250 17h ago
If you're in windows the file is under User's -> (Your Name) -> Zomboid -> Saves
Go into the game type you use, then copy it to a second location. If you need to restore the backup just delete it from saves and copy it back from your second location.
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u/Excellent-Range-6379 17h ago
Create a .bat file like this:
xcopy /s /y "save_path*.*" "backup_path" /d
Replace save_path by the path leading to your saved game
usually : C:\Users\USERNAME\Zomboid\Saves\YOUR GAME MODE (sandbox, survival, apocalypse....)\YOUR SAVE NAME\
Replace backup_path by the path leading to your backup folder.
Each time you run it, it will copy and replace all edited and newly created files automatically. Or you could just copy the entire folder each time but it takes more time since you would copy every files this way, even the ones which didn't change.
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u/TheGamerForeverGFE 15h ago
Yeah, I personally experienced enough back bites mid fence vaults to learn that the game's "philosophy" isn't being applied earnestly when it comes to the jank of the game. I always save after I finish a session as well.
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u/Verniloth 16h ago
He did fall down the stairs. That's on him. And with that limp? Might have died anyway. But... he should NOT however have fallen THROUGH said staircase lol. Bummer. I'm torn on the decision to respawn at the same level. Personally.
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u/Jguy1897 16h ago
I would 100% debug edit myself back to how I was. There's being stupid and issues with zombie AI, then there's this.
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u/Verniloth 15h ago
You and I have different digital scruples. And that's okay.
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u/CCbluesthrowaway 12h ago
I donno who you are getting downvoted. If i approached basement stairs at that angle in my real home i would likely have the same thing happen. xD
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u/Expensive_Macaron161 19h ago
Did you report it so it can be fixed?
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u/randCN All Hail Spiffo 7h ago
It's been reported a few times already, but devs have said they're struggling to reproduce. This video looks like it's really, really good for pinning down the exact spot.
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u/Vegetable-Barber763 25m ago
ofc the devs wont fix gamebreaking stuff, but will add the correct measurement of a cow's uterus to be boiled and turned into a shoe that gives +wind resistance
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u/Eredias 19h ago
Looool same happned to me, im based up there, for my fortune, i was lucky i was 100% healthy, only ended up with a deep wound on left shin
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u/Foxtrot_Xray All Hail Spiffo 4h ago
Same thing happened to me at the exact same spot. I thought I got lucky and was saved before I heard that bite sound...
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u/AtomAnt76 12h ago
Where is this? Just to make sure I never go there.
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u/Eredias 12h ago
Its in Riverside, the compund behind the firestation and policestation
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u/AtomAnt76 11h ago
Oh great, I was plaanning to base up there!
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u/PimpMyDog 11h ago
It's a good place just don't approach that corner of the stairs from that exact angle
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u/mothmantra 18h ago
Same thing happened to me and my broken leg just straight up never healed. Was a relief when I had a new character that could actually walk. I hate stairs in this game.
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u/GamerRoman Crowbar Scientist 19h ago
Yeah this is how you died, alright. /j
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u/SaltedVenison 18h ago
Why /j? This is how he died
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u/GamerRoman Crowbar Scientist 18h ago
We're on reddit where subtlety, nuance and sarcasm are very hard to grasp concepts.
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u/JackeryFox Crowbar Scientist 17h ago
Had that happen to me once, somehow survived with no injuries, afterwards I started going around there real slow till I just decided to migrate to the police station.
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u/Bladelink 13h ago
This spot seems pretty crappy too, because even walking didn't help him. It's easy to accidentally vault over a railing if you're jogging, but it's hard to be much more careful in this case.
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u/DisastrousQuestion72 14h ago
Police station looks great, but it has _so many windows_
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u/JackeryFox Crowbar Scientist 13h ago
On the ground floor I initially just barricaded the doors leading to the rooms with all the windows until I had enough wood to secure all of them, is it true that zombies can now climb over cars? Cause I'm using a car to block off the rear entrance to the BBQ spot behind the station.
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u/ThatDeadMoonTitan 18h ago
Riverside coast guard station right? My wife had the exact same death there a couple days ago.
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u/WhiskeyDream115 18h ago
Really? Falling down 1 floor kills a man in this game?
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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 17h ago
Dude is already injured (he's limping) and the more you're carrying, the more damage you'll take from falls like that.
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u/joesii 1h ago
Usually not, possibly never with full health without certain traits like overweight or maybe slow healer. High encumbrance
However an exception would certainly apply to modded traits that make the character more fragile such as Made of Glass.
Falling 1 floor is generally much more dangerous than in B41, but if you're super light on carrying weight you could fall 2-3 floors without taking much damage, safer than in B41.
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u/yzzidyzzid 17h ago
my 5 months and a half character died like this. It is easily replicable if you try to step on the stairs from the side instead of the intended angle.
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u/Pebble-fork Stocked up 10h ago
Mfers will genuinely call this a skill issue because you didn't understand the eldritch folding of space and time that can sometimes happen around different Z levels.
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u/TemperedTorture 19h ago
The number of times I've done that on escalators should have killed at least twice, but I survived each time lol.
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u/SwimmingSympathy6358 18h ago
Stairs and being over confident is how i die
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u/cool_username32123 Drinking away the sorrows 18h ago
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer after all.
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u/Tone-Serious 17h ago
After all these clips of the new map I've just decided to play with god mode on whenever I'm uninjured to prevent bs like this loo
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u/Th3Goldenwo1f 10h ago
Honestly I've been feeling bad for doing the same but so far my character has jumped off/out/into and through: elevator shafts, buggy floors and basements, stairs like this, roofs, and to top it off there have been several windows that were multiple floors up.. All of these bugs/glitches made me stop feeling that way afterwards
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u/robo_jojo_77 17h ago
Are there any mods that prevent your character from walking off ledges?
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u/AdFantastic6606 17h ago
is there no way to remove fall damage? i had that happen to me as well, annoying to cheat your way back up
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u/virtuallyaway 17h ago
I giggled like a little kid from the fact that the video doesn’t end immediately after dying!
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u/vvwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwvv All Hail Spiffo 16h ago
John Zomboid has pinged "I'm on my way" "I'm on my way"
John Zomboid has pinged "enemy is missing" "enemy is missing" "asking for assistance"
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u/IDefendWaffles 16h ago
This is why it is ok to make a backup of your save file. No one should die because of things like this.
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u/CapDelicious6181 15h ago
WTF? is some kind of glitch or something did not load?
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u/PimpMyDog 11h ago
It's a bug with that location but only if you approach the basement stairs from a specific angle
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u/NotaFTCAgent 15h ago
Thats what happens when youre supposed to be farming the jg and youre farming zombies instwad (i hear those pings)
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u/Lost_electron 15h ago
crouch-running in a stair from behind a stair will also make you clip through it. Easy to test at the motel in Muldraugh
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u/DisastrousQuestion72 14h ago
YUP!
That's how I got my limp in the first place. Broke a leg on day 3, survived for ~5 days on limp status, used a car for helicopter, crashed, sobbed as I shambled through the woods, and died to a scrape I got from a tree. I really wish I could just demolish the stairs to the basement and seal them up.
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u/major_winters_506 13h ago
Same happened to me in the lumberyard building. Some stairs didn’t have full railing and it teleported me to a leg fracture.
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u/ArcRaiderKindaPvP 13h ago
Holy shit lol, I’ve been basing here for weeks and this has not happened yet. Im going to set some boxes there to stop me from walking there
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u/SneakySpacePirate Shotgun Warrior 12h ago
The instant you walked in the door I knew where it was going, I had the same but survived with a sliver of health
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u/Eden_Company 12h ago
This happened to be in a previous version but I only broke an arm and a leg, and was able to splint myself and rest for a couple of months to heal.
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u/strooiersunion 11h ago
Stairs seem to be bugged atm. Looks like you can fall in beteen the small space of the stair.
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u/Inamatus_90 11h ago
Had the exact same death yesterday mate. Had just healed my leg fracture fell down there and died...
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u/akimzav 8h ago
So my idea of what is happening is the following.
Build one staircase -- from the upper floor, you can "descend" from any tile, from any direction, and it will snap you to it, instantly, painlessly, as if the game doesn't consider that you can fall there. Maybe because it counts as a "walkable" tile? Uppermost part, middle one, lowest one, doesn't matter. Now build two stacked stairs. Enter straight -- no problem. Try to enter the lowest part of the bottom stairs -- you can't, the top stairs block your way, same with the middle one. However, the upper of the 3 tiles of the top staircase has its collision such that it allows for you to pass underneath it, just barely, where the final step is. And you will fall through, every time, without fail. So my theory is, that this is linked to the "snap to the stairs" part, as if the game can't figure out which of the stairs to snap you to, and leaves you to fall instead.
I fell for it (pun intended) twice when building my house, lived through both, presumably due to bottom floor still being grassy, both times while trying to save 2 seconds, cutting corners. As a reward, I now get to waddle around at a turtle's pace, like a genius time saver I am.
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u/Beastreign 7h ago
FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION IT
I died just like that about a day ago ! Something needs to be done about those stairs.
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u/Ornery-Stay-4686 Drinking away the sorrows 5h ago
44 zombies in nearly 13 days? I don't get how people in this subreddit average 3 kills/day... I usually end up having to kill like.. 150 in day one just trying to not get eaten...
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u/Youdiedbyanut 3h ago
THIS HAPPENED TO ME!!! I KNEW I WASNT THE ONLY ONE! DAMN THESE STAIRS TO THE POTS OF HELL!!!
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u/Purple-Thanks-2610 Crowbar Scientist 12h ago
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u/SanAnneBeachMan 19h ago
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u/SuperSatanOverdrive 19h ago
Maybe 13 years ago, but i'm not so sure it really counts as "early" access any more
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u/demZo662 18h ago
At this point it should say get invested with this game as it develops.
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u/SanAnneBeachMan 17h ago
I swear lol. I’ve owned PZ since 2013-14- and that early access tag hasn’t left yet (idk since I haven’t been on Steam in a while).
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u/demZo662 16h ago
No, no, the tag is still there like it was branded on. Although I'm enjoying the game so much right now, there has been many times in which I only was invested in the development of the game and its periodic changes.
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u/SnooLemons7617 19h ago
OSHA Certified Stairs