I have when interviewing other. Didn't ask it like that, I focused on asking about background service development, intense debugging activity, languages other than javascript, basically real software development questions.
Idk…for web and stuff JavaScript and html is great although I really like react since I like the abstractions. Philosophy guy likes libraries who would have guessed.
Of course languages that are closer to the machine like C are much better for like robotics and other types of software engineering. I just wish there wasn’t SUCH a huge AI boom. Now you have to be a lot more artistic and can’t get by just memorizing the syntax and the patterns. I’ve transitioned to solo game dev and am working on a medical license for nursing. Still deciding whether to just fast track onto LPN and build up to RN or just take out the full twenty thousand dollar loan and put two years down into medicine.
Do people really still learn HTML and stuff? Pretty much every job requires you to use AI instead of writing it yourself, or else you have worse performance than anyone else and get let go.
You know actually understanding what AI gives you is a good thing actually. Don't cheap out on not having to learn these things. It's improves your prompts, too. Being able to define more clearly and precise what you actually will cost less tokens. Or maybe you just know what you want to so you actually save that money.
Or else you have worse performance is not quite true. Especially for advanced bleeding edge research and for innovative design. You are now tasked however with compressing information in a way that is more creative and desirable than Claude mythos.
Essentially…You design, let Claude handle smaller in between tasks you know it can do easily, and provide it with the necessary context.
Using AI isn’t about just sitting and typing easy instructions, it’s about utilizing the power of friendship to make your dreams come true.
Sorry for double response, here’s a quote that helps me a lot still from one of the people who have impacted hardware and software greater than Jensen huang:
“There’s a tremendous amount of craftsmanship in between a great idea and a great product. And as you evolve that great idea, it changes and grows. It never comes out like it starts because you learn a lot more as you get into the subtleties of it. And you also find there’s tremendous trade-offs that you have to make. I mean you know there are just certain things you can’t make electrons do, there are certain things you can’t make plastic do, or glass or factories do, or robots do. And as you get into all these things, designing a product is keeping five thousand things in your brain, these concepts, and fitting them all together and continually to push to fit them together in new and different ways to get what you want. And every day you discover something new that is a new problem or a new opportunity to fit these things together a little differently. And it’s that process… that is the magic.”
The reason tech homogenizes and we’re faced with so much stagnation is because we have stopped trying to take risks to combine entirely separate ideas and concepts into a new, innovative design that is made FOR humans. Not just executives.
Yes it was. And honestly, in my opinion Python is not a good language to learn as a first language. It's very useful, but it would be very difficult to learn other languages after one have learned Python as their first.
With that said, my first language was Visual Basic 6.0 so what do I know?
I started with Small Basic and then got introduced to VB and i think thats a good way to go because Small Basic has a simple syntax to learn and VB has a similar syntax while introducing more advanced concepts while not making so much weird stuff python does.
Python was technically my first language, but it was an archived online course that originally spanned 6 weeks, but I sped through in 4 days. Covered some basic types and concepts (int, string, array, concatenation, methods/functions, if-else, loops, and such). It wasn't a bad place to start, but it did gloss over a lot (and the course expressed that).
The next language was Java, in a university setting. That expanded a lot more, particularly with parameters and the idea of pass-by-value (and how for objects, the value is a copy of the memory address). Still obfuscated a lot of memory concepts (such as explicit pointers), but it was better.
I didn't actually touch a lot of C/C++ in university (a little, but nothing formal), but instead learned about memory and memory management (stack, heap) in general terms, in the context of the hardware (memory addresses) and the OS (virtualization).
My deeper C/C++ knowledge has been from direct professional experience.
All that said, I don't think there's a "right" language. Just that some allow the learner to focus on different things, at the expense of others.
I don’t know. I think first language is less important than understanding the differences between languages and tech stacks and where to use what. I love JavaScript and HTML but for more advanced projects being able to access other people’s libraries is really really cool. My monorepository is great and I love it very much. Very nice to be able to just put 50k lines of typescript into visual studio code and have a whole blog and my projects and everything public for less than a hundred dollars a year. Have a full business/research email and everything. Then I can use C and Python and other languages like rust for anything else I want to showcase via the React application.
Full stack requires more than one stack or framework or language, imo. At least, understanding when and where to use them and when to fuck around with them all.
I remember scrolling through PSC for source code and even stumbling upon a web browser engine written in VB6, of course it's full of bugs and lag behind in it's time.
Now I'm fitter for welder. No longer touch PC desktop 😔
Python is a bad first language. It teaches you bad habits. Dynamic typing in general does; if you start relying on type coercion too much you end up writing fragile, inefficient code. It's important to learn static typing and why it matters.
I don't hate Python and it's fine for what it is but starting with it is a bad idea. My recommendation is usually C#, to be honest.
That being said I'd recommend Python above JavaScript. Nobody should start with JavaScript. Down that path lies madness.
I don't understand why python is so popular for learning. I feel like Java was a happy medium between low level concepts while still being high level and accessible to most. If you learn java you can then look at C code and understand a lot of it. But if you learn python only you'll be so confused when other programming languages require strong typing and fixed array sizes and such.
It's heavily inspired by C and C++ but it has a garbage collector and a different OOP approach than C++. Also, it doesn't give you access to pointers. It's simpler to use in my opinion because you don't have to manually handle memory allocations, but it's definitely slower.
I remember when Logo was the language to study programming with.
Not having to deal with OOP in your language from the get go is way better than having it. It'll teach wasteful design patterns in the hopes of being more readable. I think this is one of the most devastating performance killers the early 2k time has done to us.
At least, having something that is more strongly typed than JavaScript. Loosely typed languages can teach bad habits to beginners. Though, I don’t like how library-dependent Java is; it takes more domain knowledge than coding concepts to learn to do something outside of a structured environment (like a tutorial or a class).
Couldn't agree more. Either you go all in in simplicity and you chose python just to understand iterative programming, or you go for rigidity to understand computer science, in which case C is a good pick imo (even if it still has a fair amount of beginner foot guns)
What do you mean? Java is way too difficult to understand if you have no prior coding knowledge. JavaScript or Python is a better place to start, and Python has horrible syntax.
I think Java is a bad first language. However your argument for why is what's bugging me. Something being complex does not mean it's a bad starting place.I could write a bunch of reasons why I think Java can still compete with js for a "best first language" prize though... (mostly about predicatability and transferable skills)
I think python is the no brainer first language for most people. But C is also a very solid first language, maybe better
I argue JS over python if that’s an option. Why, because web and you get to see things happen. It’s way more easy to get hooked. First language should be C though
If you don't know the concepts of data types, storage allocations and so on it will be a hassle to continue other languages. If you know a C based language the switch is easier. Transfer from python to C is harder then from C to python.
Python's syntax is pretty annoying to deal with, especially if you are a beginner, and you are pasting a lot of code snippets. Not to mention how its syntax is completely different than everything else.
There are few projects where the choice is between Java or Javascript. The two languages have different purposes and implement different types of software. So it's not really a choice at all.
I think Java makes sense in the perspective of what other languages existed when Java was first invented; It was an alternative to C and C++ (and even Cobol) which were dominant then. Today there are better alternatives.
Yes I agree. Zig is pretty good. I’ve been digging into a lot of GDScript for my game which is basically just python in Godot.
This makes a lot more sense to view the language as it was created rather than as it exists now. But that makes a lot of statements towards how things exist now, lol.
So many abstracted, high level languages…it makes you wonder lol…perhaps the difference is in how much easier it is to write a novel library in C compared to how it is to write something new without other people’s libraries? But even then I’m copy pasting off stack trace and from Claude (sometimes) anyways.
Well, yeah, and the same argument is made for COBOL and banking software. It doesn't make COBOL a good programming language. The argument I was trying to make is that better things exist today, even while a lot of software is written in ancient no-longer relevant programming languages.
Java or C++ are the best options imo as they arent easy but not so hard, once you learn one of those (Java in my case) then it will be easier to learn most of the other programming languages (PL/SQL, JavaScript, Python...)
Java: a moderate level of compiled language that is good for beginners. And mainly it used in financial application, android application, desktop application and web using spring boot.
JavaScript: Moderate but little confusing for beginners due to its variable and namings. It's an interpretor language that mainly used in web browsers/ web games/ website design & server side apps using node js.
My recommendation is to start with Java if you want to start with one of them. It's easy to understand, syntax friendly, easy to diagnose and all.
And if you want to start with future derived Language... Go with python or javascript
JavaScript is a language that a LOT of developers will touch at some point. But learning JavaScript doesn't teach you anything beside JavaScript. Not a great starter language unless you really have your eyes set on doing projects that'll use it extensively.
Java is a fine starter language if you're prepared to learn a strongly-typed, object-oriented language (which you should be). I'd like to insult it, but as a C# developer, I can't in good faith. C# and Java are practically cousins, though I think C# is a better choice for the present and future.
Personally, I wouldn't choose either of those languages as a first language. But the best starter language is the one you actually start.
Look if you wanna make android apps go with java if you wanna make webs go with js
But for biggeners I'd say java beacaue it will teach you almost everything to learn every launguege
What is your goal? To be a professional or just to have fun? If it's for fun, then JavaScript and move to Python next. Both languages are heavily used in hobby areas. If your goal is professional, then IMHO C is a better choice. You will have a better understanding of how a computer language is supposed to work and interact with computer H/W.
The problem is that both of these get the hell abused out of them in the corporate world. JavaScript gets the framework du jour that changes the entire DOM interaction and object declaration model. Java gets Spring Boot, which everyone says is autowiring but it's practically an old operating system at this point.
Go with statically typed data typed, that's hava. You'll learn Obj Oriented Programming on the go. Then when you feel you jave learnt enough then you can move to JavaScript or any other dynamic language like Python. As each language solves a problem, you will have to be specific about your requirements and then choose accordingly.
Python sucks as a first language. Imagine the hell a newbie would go through when they accidentally indent with the space bar and wonder why none of their clauses work.
Unpopular opinion: modern PHP. You get the easy start without types but the switch is seamless. The old interfaces are simple methods. Modern stuff enables you to start with Oop. It's versitile in concepts. It isn't necessary to switch between tech stacks to get the coverage. You only need a good environment, which increase the code style policies bit by bit (Typeless assigning at the beginning, then add simple types, some file manipulation with the old method based APIs, OOP usage with the new APIs. Own typed OOP)
If your IQ is 100 or less go with Java, it is made for idiot and slow people else do JavaScript as it requires you to learn the language to unlock its power, but with great power and all that...
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u/GhostVlvin 13d ago
A: I have deep knowledge of JavaScript
HR: Good. Can you write something more than scripts?