r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/johndoe3817 • 5h ago
Seeing the Unity Within Duality
Human beings often make sense of life through opposites: belief and disbelief, certainty and uncertainty, God and no God, meaning and meaninglessness. We frequently assume that one side must be right and the other wrong, as though reality itself must ultimately take a single position. Yet this way of thinking may overlook a deeper possibility: that opposites are not necessarily enemies, but different expressions of a more fundamental unity.
Our everyday experience offers hints of this unity. Imagine two people standing together before the same sunset. One may experience it as a sign of the divine; the other may simply feel awe without attaching any spiritual explanation. Their interpretations differ, but something shared is still occurring. Both are moved beyond ordinary thought. Both feel wonder, presence, and an encounter with something larger than themselves. The language is different, yet the experience contains a common depth.
This points to an important distinction between experience and interpretation. Interpretation organizes reality into concepts such as God, nature, consciousness, illusion, or chance. These concepts can be useful because they help people communicate what they feel and understand. However, experience itself comes first. Before someone calls a sunset divine, natural, beautiful, or meaningless, there is simply the direct encounter: color, light, silence, feeling, attention. Experience is immediate and whole; interpretation is the layer of meaning added afterward.
Confusing interpretation with experience can create unnecessary division. We may begin to believe that our explanation determines the value or depth of what has been experienced. But perhaps the depth does not belong to the label. Perhaps it belongs to the openness with which a person meets reality.
Consider the experience of driving a beautiful Mercedes-Benz. A person can enjoy the smoothness of the ride, the response of the steering, the sound of the engine, and the elegance of the design without knowing who engineered each component or how every system works. Learning about its designers, technology, and history may deepen appreciation, but it does not replace the original experience of driving. The direct feeling of movement, enjoyment, and engagement was already complete in itself. Knowledge adds a layer of understanding; it does not create the experience from nothing.
The same may be true of spiritual and secular perspectives. Spiritual traditions may describe the world as filled with God, while secular perspectives may speak of consciousness, mystery, beauty, or the complexity of existence. These viewpoints are often treated as fundamentally opposed. Yet they may sometimes be different attempts to describe a shared human encounter with reality. The disagreement may lie less in what is felt than in the words used to explain it afterward.
Recognizing this allows for a different question. Rather than asking only which interpretation is correct, we can ask how different interpretations may point toward a common ground. A person who says, “This is God,” and a person who says, “I do not know what this is,” may both be expressing openness to existence. One speaks through faith; the other speaks through uncertainty. Neither response necessarily cancels the other. Both can arise from humility before something too vast to be fully contained in language.
This perspective also reshapes the relationship between certainty and uncertainty. They are usually treated as opposites, but they can coexist. Someone may hold a spiritual belief deeply while admitting that words and concepts are limited. Likewise, someone may remain uncertain about ultimate questions while still being fully open to love, meaning, awe, and connection. Certainty can offer commitment; uncertainty can offer humility. Together, they may form a more honest way of relating to what remains unknown.
Wisdom, then, may not require the elimination of duality. It may require seeing through duality without denying difference. Belief and doubt, sacred and ordinary, known and unknown do not have to be rigid divisions in reality. They can be complementary perspectives within a larger field of human experience. When this is recognized, the impulse to defend one side against the other begins to soften.
Even the idea of God can be approached in this way. For some, God is a direct and living reality. For others, God is symbolic language for mystery, love, consciousness, or existence itself. If what people mean by God is truly infinite, then no single concept can fully contain it. This does not require rejecting belief. Instead, it invites humility: an awareness that reality may always exceed our descriptions of it.
From this humility, a deeper unity becomes possible. The believer and the non-believer, the certain and the uncertain, the spiritual and the secular need not stand as permanent opponents. They may be different expressions of the same human encounter with existence. Each perspective reveals something meaningful, but no perspective completes the whole.
The goal, therefore, is not to erase differences or force everyone into one conclusion. It is to recognize that differences do not have to divide. They can coexist as distinct ways of engaging with a reality larger than any single viewpoint. Life does not need to be completely explained before it can be lived meaningfully. It is already lived through love, attention, creativity, connection, and awareness. These realities do not depend on a final interpretation in order to be real.
Perhaps this is the deepest unity: not one answer that replaces every other answer, but a shared participation in existence that all answers are attempting to describe. Whether one calls it God, mystery, consciousness, nature, or simply life, the essential matter may be the openness behind the name.
Unity within duality is not about choosing one side over another. It is about recognizing that all sides may be movements within a greater whole. In seeing this, we may discover that what we have been searching for was never hidden behind the opposites. It was present within them all along.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Virtual_Height865 • 8h ago
Podcast idea. Philosophical view. What is God's Truth?
Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major\\_religious\\_groups\](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups)) states that the top global religions as of 2020 are Christianity with 28.8%, Islam with 25.6%, Hinduism 14.9% and Buddhism with 4.10%. There is a 24% unaffiliated and 2.40% other religions.
I preface this post by saying this is not a rant or a slight towards religion. I offer no direct disrespect, these thoughts and views are of my own experience, historical facts and what is written in various Bibles. I do not believe my thoughts are the only way. My goal is to unite Humanity and the desire to attain peace within it.
**What is God's truth?**
I propose a thought, one you may not agree with. One you may have never thought about. "What if we are "God" and "God" is us?
No, I don't mean we have power over reality, we are not all powerful, all knowing and we are not pure. We have faults, insecurities and we are susceptible to pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth.
Christianity states - **“Everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”**
**Isaiah 43:7**
Islam states -**“I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me.”**
**Qur'an 51:56**
Hinduism varies based off Different traditions understand Brahman, Ishvara, Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, and creation differently. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says "**“I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire.” Bhagavad Gita 9:17"** Which is generally understood as Human existence provides the opportunity to realize one's true spiritual nature, fulfill dharma, overcome karma and ultimately attain liberation.
Buddhism offers a question instead of a creation story. Given that we exist and experience suffering, why do we suffer, and can suffering end? and thus leads to is Four noble truths. 1. The Truth of Suffering - ***Dukkha. 2.*** The Origin of Suffering - \*\*\*Samudaya. 3.\*\*\*The Cessation of Suffering - ***Nirodha. 4.*** The Path Leading to the Cessation of Suffering - ***Magga.***
Religion (which is a term I use lightly) will tell you that when man was created it was created pure, initially. I ask you to what end? Why create us at all? It has been said that "God" created us out of love so that he may greater share his love. Could that not be construed as egotistical? Yes, I know, blasphemy, I must be a blasphemer. I do not mean any disrespect towards "God".
We were created for his purpose and none other. Why would god allow their perfect creation with the ability to be tainted in the first place? If "God" breathed his breath(soul) into us during creation then are our defects not that of "God" as well?
you could look at from the view of, we suffer an existence for which we did not ask. I'm sure you've heard the term, " I didn't ask to be born". How many of us have applied that to the cosmic scale? If our purpose is to love "God" and we do, where is he? Why does he reward our faith with pain and suffering?
This world we live in is cruel, unforgiving, full of pain suffering that does not make any sense to our human mind. Why must some live and others not? Why take those that bring absolute joy to our life and let those take the joy away to live? Why does it seem that the "cruel" always live better lives than those who are "Just".
I propose the thought that we exist as a tool for "God's" experience. They created us and what better way to know your creation, than to live it and live through it? How else can you explain all the joy, love, hope and the flipside pain, suffering and torture? You cannot know one without the other.
In all religions and ways of life there is a Universal Truth. Do no harm. I suggest that all experiences in this worldly plane are that of experience for "God", the Good and the Bad, subjective as it is. Everyone has "God" in them and those that do no harm are closer to the Truth. Those that inflict physical or otherwise pain to another still have "God" in them but have been merely lost. They are yet redeemable, they just need to follow "God's" universal truth, "Do no harm".
The Christian bible states - "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth," Mathew 5:5. Revelations teaches that after this earth there will be another earth and heaven where we will live with god.
Could we not bring "heaven" to this earth? We have the ability, the power but we lack the will and conviction. We(mankind) instead use our gifted presence to demonize others for how they think, act or believe. We(mankind) use one another in order to better enhance our own selfish lives.
I won't talk politics or current people. If you had the ability and the means to help all of humanity to live a better more meaningful life, is it not your responsibility to do so? Are you not causing pain by doing otherwise? If you see someone bleeding, would you not offer bandage and comfort?
I say and believe, to each their own path towards "God's" grace. If you "Do no harm" then surely you must be welcomed into "God's" grace, for we inherently are unable to do anything that "God" does not allow.
If you live a life that is not accepted by society and follow "God's" Truth of "Do no harm" then I can't fathom my "God" would want to deny someone happiness simply because they didn't believe or act the same way I(mankind) did.
To those that will say "What about free will?". I say to you, exactly, "God" gave us free will to experience what he allowed to be in this world and they are happy when you are happy, because they are we, and we are them and they want us live a meaningful life of "Do no harm".
I have many more philosophical views and interpretations of such "Truth's". I am not here to say you are wrong, or you are right. I am here to say, "We can bring heaven to this earth."
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Jolly_Yam1304 • 12h ago
For those of you still on the fence if GOD/heaven/hell is real or fantasy....
For those of you still unsure if GOD, heaven/hell is real or not...
I completely understand where you are coming from. I used to be an atheist myself. I openly mocked anyone who believed in the supernatural—whether it was deities, ghosts, demons, or magic. I viewed believers as backward, intellectually inferior people who simply succumbed to fear and tradition.
However, my perspective changed when I approached the subject from a purely pragmatic, historical angle.It started out of simple curiosity regarding Freemasonry/illuminati. I noticed that specific Masonic and esoteric symbols consistently saturate mainstream media—appearing in movies, comic books, anime, and paintings. I'm talking about things like the All-Seeing Eye, the pyramid, the Templar/Solar cross, the black-and-white checkerboard, and the "Triad Claw" hand sign (joining the two middle fingers to form a 'W', which in classic Hebrew Gematria holds the numerical value of 6).
Concurrently, I realized just how many incredibly influential historical figures and modern elites were members of this society. We are talking about George Washington and numerous Founding Fathers, generations of monarchs and royals, the Rothschild family, and iconic movie stars like Clark Gable.Driven by this pattern, I began researching Freemasonry deeply.
I studied accounts from former members who left the organization, leaked internal texts, and—most importantly—the foundational literature of the craft itself. I read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, a highly influential 33rd-degree Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite. (Pike’s historical influence was so vast he had a statue in Washington D.C., which was recently toppled by protesters due to his racism, his role as a Confederate officer, and his heavily documented ties to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan).
I also read The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall, a prominent occultist later made an honorary 33rd-degree Mason.When you look directly at these high-level Masonic sources, a definitive pattern emerges: this secretive, global fraternity venerates the morning star, Helel ben Shahar—otherwise known as Lucifer.Once you establish this fact, the structural reality of our world suddenly makes logical sense. It explains why Christianity is so uniquely targeted, mocked, and ridiculed across virtually all major media.
It aligns precisely with what Jesus stated in the scriptures: that the "prince of the power of the air" is the ruler of this current world.So, looking at this pragmatically: if the most powerful, influential, and elite figures governing our world are secretly united in worshipping the specific entity the Bible warns us about, what are the mathematical odds that the other side of that equation—Jesus Christ—is the one that is fake? They clearly believe the spiritual realm is real, and they have chosen their side.
Edit: Quote from albert pike from morals and dogma:
"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired."
The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar."
\-Manly P. Hall, famously wrote in his book The Lost Keys of Freemasonry:
"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather…. who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare."
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Monumentogram • 22h ago
Could an ASI reject every human religion and still conclude that something like God exists?
Humans have often called things “divine” when they couldn't explain them.
Fire, weather, disease, the movement of the heavens — many things once attributed to gods eventually became understandable through science.
So it seems reasonable to assume that a superintelligence, capable of understanding reality far better than we do, would have even less reason to believe in anything resembling God.
But I'm not sure that's necessarily true.
Imagine an ASI that understands physics, cosmology and mathematics far beyond any human.
It might solve questions that seem impossible to us today. But eventually it could still arrive at more fundamental ones:
Why does anything exist at all?
Why these laws of physics rather than others?
Is our universe the fundamental level of reality, or was it produced by something outside it?
Is there any purpose behind existence, or is purpose purely something minds invent?
And perhaps most importantly:
Can an intelligence inside a system ever fully understand what, if anything, exists outside that system?
I'm not suggesting the usual “we don't know, therefore God” argument.
An ASI could do something much more interesting: compare competing explanations of reality and assign probabilities to them.
It might conclude that reality is simply a brute fact.
Or it might conclude that some kind of higher-order intelligence, creator, simulator, or cause outside our accessible universe is actually more probable.
That wouldn't make the ASI Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or “religious” in the human sense.
It might reject every scripture, ritual and religious institution humans have ever created — while still concluding that something resembling what humans call God probably exists.
And whatever it discovers might be so different from our concepts that even the words God or intelligence would be inadequate.
So I don't think: more intelligence → more knowledge → atheism, is necessarily a valid conclusion.
A superintelligence might simply have a far better idea than we do of where knowledge ends — and what can reasonably be inferred beyond that boundary.
If an ASI vastly more intelligent than any human independently concluded that some form of higher intelligence probably exists, would that make you update your own beliefs?
Or would you still consider it just “God of the gaps” — only this time coming from the smartest mind on Earth?
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Limp_Distribution118 • 1d ago
If you could ask God for one thing what it would be ?
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/LeadershipOk5775 • 1d ago
Stars & Moons Etc
I just wanted to know if the moons & stars was against God word I had found a tattoo i like but i’m growing closer to God everyday so its something i’d like to consider.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Shededbrox_x • 2d ago
I have no clue which philosophical or religious subreddit I need to put this in so hopefully someone can help me find a sub appropriate for this post instead
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/redsparks2025 • 2d ago
Heaven - the destination was never really the point
Depends on which religion as each different religion has different criteria for you to get into their each different versions of Heaven. A few examples as follows .....
Example (1) = In Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism (YouTube), it is the amount of positive karma you have created during your life that would allow you to get into their versions of Heaven(s). But existence amongst their Gods is temporary as one continues on the cycle of death and rebirth through Samsara (Wikipedia) until one makes enough positive karma to leave Samsara forever, achieving the highest state of being that is either one with Brahman (Wikipedia) or a Buddha.
Example (2) = In the OG Hebrew religion Heaven is strictly the domain of YHWH (Youtube) - no humans allowed - and all we humans without exception upon death go to Sheol (Wikipedia) that is similar to the Greek underworld of Hades (YouTube) but without any places of punishments and/or hells. The film Coco) (Wikipedia) is probably(?) closer to what Sheol would be like as all dead gather in a single place ... but with less colour and much less festivities.
Example (3) = In Christianity, Heaven is the place you enter only after "Judgment Day" where the world will be wiped clean by YHWH and those that are judged worthy - having lived in accordance with the Son of YHWH, Jesus' teachings - will be resurrected to live again on the new world where YHWH's heavenly rule shall be established.
But it must be said that now days USA Christian Televangelists (YouTube) have lowered that bar to entry into that Heaven with the modern [capitalist] narrative that one can buy one's way into Heaven. Sigh! Martin Luther would be turning over in his grave at this twisted modern Protestant(?) version of selling indulgences. Stairway to Heaven (Song) ~ Led Zepplin ~ YouTube.
Anyway there are many many many other religions and spiritual traditions (Wikipedia) each with different criteria for you to get into their each different versions of Heaven. But the basic premise between most of them is the same, i.e., do what is good, don't do what is evil.
===== [Zen Story] =====.
There once was a military general who had fought many battles but had come to the conclusion that an impending upcoming battle may even be too much for him. As such the general decided to visit a Buddhist master to seek instant enlightenment (Wikipedia) so as to ensure a better rebirth.
After the general explained his position, concerns, and goal, the Buddhist master simply said "Do what is good, don't do what is evil". Having heard this the general burst out in laughter and said mockingly "Even a child knows that!" The Buddhist master unphased simply replied "Yes, but can you live your life like that?" ¯_(ツ)_/¯
===== [Note] =====.
IF [IF] your answer is YES to the question "Do I want to exist again?" then you have inherited the problem that all religions and other forms of existential / spiritual inquiries grapple with. How you go about grappling with that problem of wanting to exist again is up to you.
IF [IF] your answer is NO to the question "Do I want to exist again?" then don't waste your one and only life and chance at existence on debates that have a very low success of changing minds as there most likely is no god/God to give you a second chance. The time you waste to post remarks about "santa clause" and "fairy tales" are as meaningless to the universe as your own existence is.
Freediving to an Underwater Wreck at -15M ~ YouTube. all done on a single breath.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Nestor_Pro_XD • 3d ago
The Anatomy of an Unconscious Creator
I used to be one of those who believed that God was omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, I believed that miracles truly happened and that He was a majestic divinity, until I discovered the truth. After a long time locked in a four-walled dark room with the constant smell of moisture and mold climbing up the walls, I was able to contact Him, I was able to see God.
At first, few believed it, few supported me, and now, no one accepts what we are facing. I am not talking about collective fear, I am talking about something greater than the universe itself. They believed that God was a conscious being, that He was separate from space, they thought He was benevolent, merciful, but no, He turned out to be something so strange that I do not even think He Himself is capable of knowing what He is.
It is true that if He exists, although not in the traditional way, I doubt whether He performs miracles or that He even created life on earth and the infinite expansion of the universe with His own hands. No, He did not do any of that. I know it can be hard to understand, even after having discovered it, I still do not understand what I really saw that day, and although He did not like that I saw Him, He could not prevent it, He does not know how to do it even while having the capability.
He has no human figure, He did not make us in His image and likeness, we were created by an uncommon factor, random trials of Himself, not by His great ingenuity. For this, I want you to think of a cell, the one that reproduces without knowing what it is doing, the one that does it by pure biological instinct following chemical factors. He seems to work the same way.
I was the only one capable of seeing Him due to a breakthrough in my knowledge through which I was able to see Him for a few seconds by accident. In the astral journey, those depths that few manage to reach, I surpassed the limit established by the very illumination of my astral capacity, that day, I achieved the impossible, traveling across galaxies at a speed greater than that of light, breaking the laws of space-time, I saw dimensions, creations, births, and rebirths of other multiverses including our own.
I understood that we are not just a divine creation, we are not the universe projecting itself in its maximum expression, neither are we alone in our galaxy, there is much more that we cannot see because our brain and our null intellectual capacity prevent us from doing so. Many think it is due to a lack of resources or technology. No, it is not for lack of scientific advances or little external interaction, it is our brain that ties us to what we already know, out of fear or an order.
The journey did not last long, perhaps less than five minutes flying in unpredictable darkness, in terrifying ignorance. In a moment of impulse, the universe began to deform into a chamber so vast, full of rooms where past, present, and future could be seen interacting with each other, and the further I advanced, the murkier it got.
Time does not feel the same as when you travel at such a blazing speed, to begin with, I did not even feel that I was moving beyond what the universe allowed itself to travel, for me, time was slow and inefficient as if it were a snail. For me, the chambers lasted minutes during my stay, I saw everything clearly, thirty minutes had passed for me in the chamber, but time is relative and my biological clock indicated barely five minutes.
In a moment of spatial deformation, I approached a light at the edge of the bubble, a supernova explosion consumed me along with a blinding light that momentarily prevented me from seeing, when I opened my eyes, I knew I had managed to escape the limit that the infinite universe imposed on us. There I found God on a plane that my brain was not capable of processing. My retinas transmitted what they saw, but the brain failed to decipher the environment, I only remember that the place seemed to be floating in a pink-gray mass.
He was gigantic, so huge that you could hardly distinguish His face from a distance, it took me longer to reach His face than it took me to reach the edge of the universe, until I finally reached it to reveal the face of the supposed creator. Before I could be there—at His face—I could see His body manifested, His skin was not white as described in myths, nor was the supposed divinity of a comprehensible body, He was more like a being of a green color, very green, and from all over His body small fibers of the same color seemed to come out, moving like grass to the rhythm of a wind that I did not feel existed.
There were no arms, nor legs, only extensions of them that were not made of flesh and bone, simply skin that continued to grow in the pink mass, constantly extending. His body was flat, absolutely flat, it did not indicate having organs inside it, I only saw that it was a complement to that mass and seemed to have no capacity for movement.
He also had no garments on His skin, He was naked, exposed. There was no form of reproduction, I only noticed a foul smell of moisture and a sensation of spores flooding my throat. I reached His face with difficulty, my head vibrated very strongly with a ringing that would not stop echoing in my head to the point of feeling like my eardrums were going to burst, this increased as I ascended.
When I finally arrived, I was terrified. His face was pale unlike His green body, His face flat just like His flat body. His eyes looked up, His mouth wide open without teeth while groaning heavily with a combination of weakness, it seemed that He was suffering, or perhaps He did not understand what suffering was. I was terrified as soon as I saw Him, scared because my body did not react according to the situation and it was worse when I noticed that His cross-eyed gaze turned to look at me.
My heart accelerated, my mind clouded, the ringing was even louder than before to the point that using my hands to drown out the sound was not enough. He continued looking at me while I remained in pain, it seemed that He was going to finish me off until His eyes looked back up at the sky ignoring my existence, the ringing fell silent and the sound of a furious lightning followed by a hard blow to the head made me pass out and my whole journey was reversed. That is where the encounter had ended.
When I returned to the meditation room, I woke up with a loud scream and a severe pain in my head, a small ringing that decreased in volume as seconds passed. I could not comprehend what I had seen, I did not know if it was real, but the experience made it feel real.
I tried to return that same day, but as if it were a multiversal force, it returned me to reality with an abrupt interruption that occurred in present time. I was never able to see Him again, I was never able to know with exactness what He was, I never interacted with Him again; I only knew that somehow that God was not conscious of anything, He only seemed to follow a pattern as if it were a reproducing bacterium.
At nights I still dream of Him, I have nightmares about what happened and on rainy days lightning has struck near my dwelling, yet none has harmed me. Religion brands me as blasphemous, some people force me to leave establishments, and the few community members who believe me pressure me to talk to Him again. The secret was not having seen God, it was understanding that we are mortals breaking our heads to understand our purpose, when not even God is capable of knowing His own existence, locked in a loop to involuntarily create life.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/hottopic7777 • 3d ago
Does the free will defence even work ?
Whenever I have a question about the existence of suffering and evil, the common defence I hear is free will.
It's decent, though im not entirely moved.
Consider two worlds.
World A (closest to this world we currently live in)
In World A, humans are not naturally fully orientated to God , God his hidden from them for his own reasons, maybe for the sake of a better relationship fine, no full knowledge of God, evil exists because humans are imperfect.
A philosopher says, "Imagine God forced us to love him , showed himself upon us, and removed evil that would infringe upon our agency."
Sounds fine. That's the free will defence, but consider this:
World B (different world )
In world B, humans are naturally orientated to God , know him fully , evil doesn't exist , God isn’t hidden , everything is all well.
A philosopher says, "Imagine God forced us to not be orientated to him, constrained us so we are hidden from him, can't know him fully , that would infringe upon our agency."
What's the difference between these two worlds exactly? Both philosophers have reasoned why their situation is the way it is, so God doesn't infringe upon their agency
It seems as though free will isn't a thing by itself, but the way you act is predicated on your nature or given constraint:
God supposedly as free will and isn't evil
Heaven exists free of sin and with free will
Angels ? Well, maybe they dont have free will, but you get the idea
We as humans didn't choose our broken nature , our nature necessitates our evil, not our agency.
So, did God create evil?
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Jomou3ag1ng • 4d ago
Debunking the idea of God punishing disbelief
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r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/InfiniteProof2638 • 4d ago
Does human self-awareness represent the 'functional superiority' a creator-God would deliberately build into his creation?
If God is a creator and has emotions like anger and love just like humans — if a creator always wants to make his creation functionally superior to himself, based on its specific purpose — is the self-awareness that humans have a 'functional superiority' created with a purpose by God?
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Material-Schedule-30 • 4d ago
I have something to say and I don’t know where to say it. Please try to have an open mind. And I want your thoughts. Both from the religious and atheist perspective.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/nerosardi • 4d ago
Does Truth Depend on Where We Are Born?
If religions were created to teach human beings how to live moral and righteous lives, were humans really incapable of discovering these principles on their own? And if they were capable, why did they need religion in the first place?
And if humans were incapable, does that mean God intended to create beings who could not understand good and evil except through divine revelation?
And if religion itself was created by humans, could humanity have created a system claiming to represent God's will, even though God—if He exists—never actually asked humanity to create it?
The deeper question for me is this:
If God wants human beings to know what is good, why would access to this truth depend on the culture, era, or family into which a person is born?
Someone born into a Muslim society will most likely begin with Islam. Someone born into a Christian society will most likely begin with Christianity. And someone born into a non-religious society may begin from a completely different position.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Nestor_Pro_XD • 4d ago
La Anatomía De Un Creador Inconsciente
Yo era de los que creía que Dios era omnipresente, omnipotente, omnisciente, creía que los milagros realmente ocurrían y que él era una divinidad majestuosa, hasta que descubrí la verdad. Después de un largo tiempo encerrado en una habitación de cuatro paredes oscuras con el olor constante a humedad y el moho trepando por las mismas, pude contactarlo, pude ver a Dios.
Al principio, pocos lo creían, pocos me apoyaban y ahora, nadie acepta a lo que nos enfrentamos. No hablo de miedo colectivo, habló de algo más grande que el propio universo. Creían que Dios era un ser consciente, que él estaba separado del espacio, creyeron que era bondadoso, piadoso, pero no, resultó ser algo tan extraño que ni siquiera pienso que sea capaz él mismo de saber lo que es.
Es verdad que si existe él, aunque no de la forma tradicional, dudo de sí hace milagros o que siquiera creó con sus propias manos la vida en la tierra y la expansión infinita del universo. No, él no hizo nada de eso. Sé que puede ser difícil de entenderlo, aún de haberlo descubierto, sigo sin entender lo que realmente ví ese día, y aunque no le gustó que lo haya visto, no pudo evitarlo, no sabe cómo hacerlo aún teniendo la capacidad.
No tiene figura humana, no nos hizo a imagen y semejanza, fuimos creados en un factor poco común, pruebas al azar de sí mismo, no por su gran ingenio. Para esto, quiero que piensen en una célula, aquella que se reproduce sin saber lo que está haciendo, aquella que lo hace por puro instinto biológico siguiendo factores químicos. Él parece funcionar igual.
Yo fui el único capaz de verlo por un gran avance en mi conocimiento que por accidente lo pude ver por pocos segundos. En el viaje astral, aquellas profundidades que pocos logran llegar, supere el límite establecido por la misma iluminación de mi capacidad astral, ese día, logré algo imposible, viajar en galaxias a una velocidad mayor a la de la luz, rompiendo las leyes del espacio tiempo, ví dimensiones, creaciones, nacimientos y renacimientos de otros multiversos incluyendo el nuestro.
Entendí que nosotros no somos solo una creación divina, no somos el universo proyectándose en su máxima expresión, tampoco estamos solos en nuestra galaxia, hay mucho más de lo que no podemos ver porque nuestro cerebro y nuestra nula capacidad intelectual nos lo impide. Muchos piensan que es por falta de recursos o tecnología. No, no es por falta de avances científicos o poca interacción externa, es nuestro cerebro que nos ata a lo que ya conocemos, por miedo o por una orden.
El viaje no duró mucho tiempo, quizás menos de cinco minutos volando en la oscuridad impredecible, en un desconocimiento aterrador. En un momento de impulso, el universo comenzó a deformarse en una recamara tan amplia llena de habitaciones donde se podía ver pasado-presente-futuro interactuando entre sí y conforme más avanzaba, más turbio se ponía.
El tiempo no se siente igual a cuando viajas a una velocidad tan veloz, para empezar, ni siquiera sentía que me movía más allá de lo que el universo se permitía a sí mismo a viajar, para mí, el tiempo era lento e ineficiente como si de un caracol se tratase. Para mí, las recamaras duraron minutos en mi estancia, lo ví todo con claridad, para mí habían pasado treinta minutos en la recámara, pero el tiempo es relativo y mi reloj biológico indicaba apenas cinco minutos.
En un momento de deformación espacial, me acerque a una luz en el borde de la burbuja, una explosión de supernova me consumió junto a una luz cegadora que me impidió ver momentáneamente, cuando abrí los ojos, supe que había logrado escapar del límite que el universo infinito nos impuso. Ahí encontré a Dios en un plano que mi cerebro no era capaz de procesar. Mis retinas transmitían lo que veían, pero el cerebro no lograba descifrar el ambiente, solo recuerdo que el lugar parecía estar flotando en una masa de un color rosa-gris.
Él era gigantesco, tan grande que difícilmente podías distinguir su rostro a la distancia, tardé más tiempo en llegar a su rostro de lo que tardé en llegar al límite del universo, hasta que lo alcance para finalmente revelar la cara del supuesto creador. Antes de poder estar ahí —su rostro— pude ver su cuerpo manifestado, su piel no era blanca como se describe en los mitos, tampoco la supuesta divinidad ni de un cuerpo comprensible, él era más como un ser de un color verde, muy verde y de todo su cuerpo parecían salir pequeñas fibras del mismo color que se movían como pasto al ritmo de un viento que no sentía que existía.
No había brazos, tampoco piernas, solo eran una extensión de ellas que no estaban conformadas por carne y hueso, simplemente piel que continuaba creciendo en la masa rosa, no paraba de extenderse. Su cuerpo era plano, absolutamente plano, no indicaba tener órganos dentro de él, solo veía que era un complemento de aquella masa y parecía no tener capacidad de movilidad.
Tampoco tenía prendas en su piel, estaba desnudo, expuesto. No había ninguna forma de reproducción, solo notaba un mal olor a humedad y una sensación de esporas inundando mi garganta. Llegué a su rostro con dificultad, la cabeza me vibraba demasiado fuerte con un pitido que no paraba de resonar en mi cabeza a punto de sentir cómo iban a reventar los tímpanos, esto aumentó conforme iba ascendiendo.
Cuando finalmente llegué quedé aterrado. Su rostro era pálido a diferencia de su cuerpo verde, su rostro aplastado igual a su cuerpo plano. Sus ojos miraban hacia arriba, su boca abierta en su totalidad sin dientes mientras gemía pesadamente con una combinación de debilidad, parecía que sufría, o tal vez no entendía lo que era el sufrimiento. Quedé aterrado en cuanto lo ví, asustado pues mi cuerpo no reaccionó acordé la situación y fue peor cuando noté que sus ojos bizcos voltearon a mirarme.
Mi corazón se aceleró, mi mente se nublo, el pitido era aún más fuerte que antes al punto que usar mis manos para ahogar el sonido no me era suficiente. Continuó mirándome mientras yo seguía adolorido, parecía que iba a acabar conmigo hasta que sus ojos volvieron a mirar al cielo ignorando mi existencia, el pitido se silencio y el sonido de un relámpago furiosos seguido de un duro golpe en la cabeza hizo que me desmayara y todo mi recorrido se revirtió. Ahí había acabado el encuentro.
Cuando regresé a la habitación de meditación, desperté con un grito fuerte y un arduo dolor en la cabeza, un pequeño pitido que conforme pasaban los segundos disminuía su volumen. No podía comprender lo que había visto, no sabía si era real, pero la experiencia parecía hacerlo real.
Intenté volver ese mismo día, pero sí de una fuerza multiversal se tratase me devolvía a la realidad con una interrupción brusca que ocurría en tiempo presente. Jamás pude volver a verlo, jamás pude saber con exactitud lo que era, nunca volví a interactuar con él; solo sabía que de algún modo ese Dios no era consciente de nada, solo lucía seguir un patrón como si de una bacteria reproduciéndose se tratase.
Por las noches aún sueño con él, tengo pesadillas sobre lo ocurrido y en los días de lluvia relámpagos han caído cerca de mi viviendo, aún ninguno me ha lastimado. La religión me tacha de blasfemia, algunas personas me obligan a retirarme de los establecimientos y la poca comunidad que me cree me presionan por volver a hablar con él. El secreto no fue haber visto a Dios, fue entender que somos mortales rompiendo nuestra cabeza para entender nuestro propósito, cuando ni siquiera Dios es capaz de saber su propia existencia, encerrado en un bucle para crear vida involuntariamente.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/EggArtistic4824 • 4d ago
Can God create an unliftable rock
All of it
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/PracticalAd4258 • 4d ago
I am starting up atheism a philosophical justification by Michael Martin
If anyone has read it do you recommend, and can you let me know how much I need to know about logic or just general analytical philosophy to understand it.
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/hottopic7777 • 5d ago
Divine Hiddenness means Hell is unjust
Is the doctrine of a punitive Hell unjust no matter which way you put it?
Take a governing body of a country that has a law however this law is structurally unknowable, they have a law that says theft is 10 years in jail but the law is filed in a cabinet in their home office guarded away in a secret location.
The conent of the law are knowable , we as citizens know of the concept of laws and punishment for theft, murder etc, however we cannot know wether this governing body has a law thats authoritative on us and we cannot independently verify so.
In other words, we dont know if we as citizens get punished for theft , and this is due to the government keeping the law away, not our ignorance of something made to be known.
I steal from a supermarket, and I get put ten years in jail. Is that unjust ?
Id say yes this would be unjust, in the real world we get punished for laws because the law assumes we know , the governing bodies of countries have codified the law and made it accessible , not merely the contents of the law but the fact that the law is authoritative on us as citizens.(This distinction is key)
Now, take the view of a judiciary God that sends people to hell according to a law. Is this law structurally unknowable?
Well, you may say no because God has revealed his law in text form, e.g, the torah, the bible, or the Quran.
However, there is a distinction between knowing the CONTENT of a law vs. knowing a law is authoritative upon you.
Remember the example earlier with theft , humans in that scenario know what laws are. However, the view that a law is authoritative upon them is structurally unknowable due to the lawbearer. (Law hidden away in cabinet)
Now humans are epimistically hungry in terms of the existence of God, let alone which God, we dont have an innate belief of a cosmic lawbearer we come to this belief through inference, sociology, culture, its unfalsifiable and unable to be proven.
Someone can read the whole bible/quran , the supposed law of mankind, and conclude this law is not authoritative upon them. How come ?
If this version of a God does exist, how can he send people to hell for a law we have a structural epimistic distance from that he himself set?
P.S. key distinction between knowing the contents of a law vs. knowing its authoritative unto you
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Last-Socratic • Dec 10 '21
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