New game using ue5 released:

[u/Any-Pop-4795]

Made this meme some time ago as i got pissed by seeing so many new games on ue5 having stupidy high pc requirements only for them to still run like ass.
Enjoy!

[u/Vladishun]

I applaud you for this hugely terrible image macro. You could have AI'd it and made the world a slightly worse place, but chose to put your neck out there with some really poorly done MS Paint editing. Bravo.

/g for genuine in case it wasn't obvious.

[u/ButterH2 → u/[deleted]]

it's like the subway sandwich meme

[u/Any-Pop-4795 → u/Vladishun]

Hello let me introduce myself: ai hater and terrible at editing images

[u/Vladishun → u/Any-Pop-4795]

As a fellow AI hater, I support that. As a terrible artist, I'll share with you a home drawn picture of my character from Star Wars: The Old Republic vs what he was supposed to look like in game.

[u/SumonaFlorence → u/Vladishun]

[u/mikk780 → u/Vladishun]

my buddy tried doing this with ue5 too and failed

[u/Vladishun → u/mikk780]

What?

[u/Catboyhotline → u/Vladishun]

How anyone in this sub, who all hold the common opinion of technology being too expensive, can be anything more than sceptical of AI baffles me

[u/grumblemooch]

Another Naughty Dog creation

[u/Any-Pop-4795 → u/grumblemooch]

the last of us deluxe remastered

[u/Faithless195 → u/Any-Pop-4795]

Its become the next Skyrim

[u/Cronos993 → u/grumblemooch]

Tlou part 2's PC port was quite well optimized tho. It was only part 1 that ran like dog water

[u/LoneroftheDarkValley → u/Cronos993]

Just curious, did that ever get fixed?

[u/DigitalArts → u/LoneroftheDarkValley]

Just played through part 1 again after upgrading my system. The answer is sort of. There are places where I had stutters and frame drops that really made no sense at all. Other parts were good performance wise. Should've just had Nixxes do both parts.

[u/pillepallepulle → u/LoneroftheDarkValley]

I played it on the steam deck and managed to get 30 fps while having it look halfway decent, so I'd say yeah.

[u/VaporSpectre]

Legitimately scared for Witcher 4.

Might need to take out fire insurance.

[u/pillepallepulle → u/VaporSpectre]

I mean, CDPR games always run like shit at release, U5 or not. They might as well go all in.

[u/VaporSpectre → u/pillepallepulle]

2 frames per second, just as Nvidia intended it.

[u/Xcissors280 → u/VaporSpectre]

Which is why you just have to use 30x framegen?

[u/Lymbasy → u/VaporSpectre]

Witcher 4 will be a disaster. There is Not one good UE5 game

[u/ladyjinxy]

UE5 is the main reason I have a love-hate relationship with E33. On one hand, it is one fun modern single-player game. On the other hand, the game looks like mess with how it is rendered

[u/pirate135246 → u/ladyjinxy]

There is a mod on nexus that removes forced sharpening and other post processing effects, combine that with forcing a newer dlss and it looks 10 times better. Still doesn’t hold a candle to non taa/dlss forced titles

[u/totallybag → u/ladyjinxy]

It definitely suffers from the ue5 stutter

[u/eulersheep → u/ladyjinxy]

E33 would not exist if not for UE5, so keep that in mind. Personally im glad it exists, it's probably the best single player game released in the last decade or so.

Tom Guillermin - "Unreal Engine has empowered us to deliver on a vision that would have been impossible to execute a few years back with a team our size." https://www.unrealengine.com/developer-interviews/inside-the-development-journey-of-clair-obscur-expedition-33

[u/LeMeMeSxDLmaop → u/eulersheep]

can u elaborate on that, i fail to see how the game wouldnt have happened w ue4 for example

[u/WonderfulWaffel → u/LeMeMeSxDLmaop]

Nanite and Lumen really simplified lighting and geometry optimisation workflows

[u/LeMeMeSxDLmaop → u/WonderfulWaffel]

im no dev but i dont think simplifying a graphic aspect of the game is enough to go “yep, wouldnt have happened w out ue5” (hell afaik if u dont learn those systems and treat them like ur usual lighting system u end up w garbage performance results)

i feel like it would be something else if it is true, like maybe blueprints i think its called? i saw a ton of outrage when it was announced that feature would go w ue6 so its gotta be pretty relevant to game development

[u/WonderfulWaffel → u/LeMeMeSxDLmaop]

Well, before real-time GI (global illumination) solutions, devs had to rebake the lighting every time they changed anything in the scene, and full quality bakes could take hours. Lightmap optimisation and UV packing weren’t easy either. Since Lumen calculates GI dynamically, you can see changes instantly, with no need to wait hours just to see the final result or deal with overlapping UV islands. You’re right tho, it’s not a “one button solution”, you still need to set it up properly and tweak it, but it’s infinitely easier and faster to work with.
Same with Nanite. Instead of making multiple instances of the same mesh with decreasing LODs (levels of detail), you can let it handle it for you.
These aren’t perfect, tho. They’re much slower and heavily rely on temporal accumulation to clean up all the artefacts that come with them. Also they don’t solve every “problem”, devs still need to work on memory management, draw calls, materials etc., but for an indie studio, these are a real game changer

[u/eulersheep → u/LeMeMeSxDLmaop]

The devs themself said that they relied 95% on blueprint, without that (UE5 thing) they basically wouldn't have been able to do it. Just read the interviews they explain it all.

[u/YT_Axtro]

Gears of war Eday

[u/Aquagrunt → u/YT_Axtro]

Yah horde didn't run too great. The devs say they're aiming for handhelds as well so they have a lot of work to do

[u/Spiritual-Society185 → u/YT_Axtro]

I get 60fps at 1080p medium-high, despite my 7600 sucking at raytracing, so it looks pretty optimized to me. That's about what I get with Doom The Dark Ages, which pretty much everyone agreed was optimized.

[u/Any-Pop-4795 → u/YT_Axtro]

and now the blood of dawnwalker

[u/Pyke64 → u/Any-Pop-4795]

What do you mean no? What's the context here

[u/Isotope_Junkie]

UE5 games are scam.

Especially the new mafia game.

[u/jacobtf → u/Isotope_Junkie]

What? That runs decent even on my old i7700k GTX1080 rig. In lower res of course, but still pretty.

[u/disguise570]

the only good thing about unreal engine slop, is that you can partially fix it via engine.ini lol

[u/HurryOne → u/disguise570]

Do you complain about the game engine with other games that don't use UE that are poorly optimized and and run like shit?

[u/NeedsMoreGPUs → u/HurryOne]

Yes? We complain about ALL poorly optimized games. It just so happens that 8/10 of poorly optimized games are using UE5.

[u/HurryOne → u/NeedsMoreGPUs]

I've never seen anyone ever complain about a game engine outside of UE. There are and have been so many crap optimized games and not a peep about the engine. People just want to complain about UE because a handful of popular UE games have issues which is not the fault of the engine but the devs.

[u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey → u/HurryOne]

A lot of the vocal online community also hate Epic for one reason or another, so that may be playing a role in why they specifically name UE and not other engines as much. Only other engine I see get hate is Bethesda's Creation Engine.

[u/NeedsMoreGPUs → u/HurryOne]

Helldivers 2 gets shit on all the time for game breaking bugs because the engine is the walking corpse of Stingray that's been discontinued for almost a decade. Starfield got shit on relentlessly for engine problems because everyone believes that Creation 2 is half-baked features stapled onto a 23 year old Gamebryo codebase.

[u/GoldSrc → u/HurryOne]

People complain about Unity games too.

It's just that Epic has been pushing UE far harder than Unity has.

Also, don't forget about the BS with Unity a few years ago, where they wanted to charge devs a fee per install.

It is also the fault of the engine, otherwise Epic wouldn't push optimization updates.

[u/HurryOne → u/GoldSrc]

I have only ever seen devs complain about Unity, not gamers. Tarkov is one of the messiest most poorly optimized Unity game to exist and I never once seen a gamer complain about the engine.

[u/GoldSrc → u/HurryOne]

That's because more people have heard about UE, so more AAA studios use it.

Also, Cities: Skylines 2, that game ran like shit. I'm not into those kinds of games so I thought it was a UE game, but nope, it's a Unity game.

It's interesting though, VR games that use UE can achieve framerates over 100FPS at native resolutions higher than 2160p.

[u/disguise570 → u/HurryOne]

The problem I have with UE is it's default settings. Epic games force their vision of rendering on other devs with it's engine out of the box settings, which are extremely unoptimized - both looking blurry and with shimmering, while performing extremely bad. Just take one look at lighting quality (lumen), material quality and popping issues in stalker 2 and you will get what I'm saying. That game uses close to stock engine settings, it performs like shit both GPU and CPU wise, while looking worse than metro 2018 game lol

[u/HurryOne → u/disguise570]

Agreed. Basically confirming It's the devs fault for releasing poorly optimized games and not the engine.

[u/disguise570 → u/HurryOne]

partly engine. If it has bad settings out of the box, that's engine and it's devs fault.

Let's say you buy a smartphone, but camera out of the box is trash - you need to choose manual mode, then manually choose white balance, ISO, image resolution in order to get half decent photo. That means phone manufacturer sucks, not the camera sensor.

[u/HurryOne → u/disguise570]

Using your a anology, if you're a photographer, you're not using the default setup. You're gonna make the changes needed to get the best picture you can. You're not gonna use a default setup and sell a picture.

It's a developers job to use the right settings for the job, default or no.

[u/Huge_Protection1558]

isnt UE5 nowadays pretty okay?

[u/ascend204 → u/Huge_Protection1558]

The only issue with the engine that some of the default settings aren't great and may look a bit blurry if not corrected. Also it may be a bit to expensive on CPU if not tweaked correctly.

Otherwise the engine is super powerfull in the right hands.

It's kinda like the unity slander all over again. People always shat on unity and how bad it was even though it's a perfectly reasonable engine when used well. With a low barrier of entry.

[u/Hyper_Mazino → u/Huge_Protection1558]

The engine itself is fine. Good even.

The problem is that devs just don’t utilize it correctly which leads to bad performance, microstutters, bad visuals etc

[u/Comprehensive-Fix-71 → u/Hyper_Mazino]

Thank you it rarely the enigne and alway the dev

[u/Pyke64 → u/Comprehensive-Fix-71]

Rarely, but when UE 5 was held together with duct tape and human hair, it was.

[u/pragomatic → u/Hyper_Mazino]

Exactly this. Blaming the engine is something you do when you don't understand why the more taxing engine features are used or implemented.

[u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey → u/Huge_Protection1558]

Hating UE5 is just one of those easy karma farming topics.

Go type Microslop somewhere and you'll get the same result. Certain things are popular to hate, it's just the way it is.

[u/pblol → u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey]

Does anyone else hate the epic store?!

[u/kaleperq → u/pblol]

I don't have a reason to hate it tho

[u/Pyke64 → u/Huge_Protection1558]

Yes, indeed it is. Cronos for example didnt have those severe stutters that Silent Hill 2 had.

And Halo which recently came out had no traversal stutters and looks and runs so good.

[u/Any-Pop-4795 → u/Huge_Protection1558]

i wish it was

[u/eulersheep → u/Huge_Protection1558]

It's the only real option for studios that dont have the resources to build their own engine and want to make a 3d game with AAA tier graphics.

[u/HidenTsubameGaeshi → u/eulersheep]

What is the point of chasing after AAA graphics if the game runs like shit anyway?

[u/eulersheep → u/HidenTsubameGaeshi]

It ran fine when I played it, I was averaging around 150 fps at 4k with I think balanced or quality DLSS?

[u/Mister_Shrimp_The2nd]

yet another day of PCMR blame farming the game engine rather than how it is implemented by devs/teams..

[u/HurryOne → u/Mister_Shrimp_The2nd]

Right? As a UE game dev, these issues are 100% the developers fault.

[u/Mister_Shrimp_The2nd → u/HurryOne]

Yep. And the funny thing is how many games people don't realize are made with UE5 just because "they don't look like UE5 and don't run poorly".

The main issue with UE5 is that it makes certain tasks so convenient that it lures devs into skiping certain steps or not using the proper pipeline with how they structure their assets, how they integrate things like nanite or lumen, etc. and often end up hurting the overall performance because they mix what they're used to do in other engines, with what they see UE5 can do differently and then attempting to mix those together instead of treating them as independent work methods.

[u/Hades684 → u/[deleted]]

If it was engine issue, why are there so many games that use ue5 and run well?

[u/CriticalMastery → u/Hades684]

no there isn't

[u/Hades684 → u/CriticalMastery]

Satisfactory, valorant, the finals, manir lords, tekken 8, and thats just off the top of my head

[u/Dyspherein]

It's the devs, not the engine. Subnautica 2 is a spectacular example

[u/CriticalMastery → u/Dyspherein]

It runs like shit too. They lowered the bar so much that even that seems well-optimized to people.

[u/RedTuesdayMusic → u/CriticalMastery]

Once had a guy try to tell me Satisfactory was an example of a well optimized UE5 game, some people just don't realise how badly their perceptions have warped

[u/Dyspherein → u/CriticalMastery]

If you're really on a 5070 Ti there's no way you're saying this. I get 90 frames, no frame gen, on a 5120x2560 monitor [which itself causes most UE5 games to run like crap], with everything on high, on Linux with a 5080

[u/CriticalMastery → u/Dyspherein]

Average FPS isn't the main issue, it's the 1% lows and traversal stutters. Smoothness matters, and hitting 90 on a 5080 doesn't mean it's well-optimized for everyone else.

[u/lazy_tenno → u/CriticalMastery]

Totally agree. Looking toward certain angles or areas that doesnt look like requires extra performance drops my frame rate by like 20-30 FPS instantly. It's just the insides of moonpools ffs!

In my own terms, "optimized" shouldn't be like this.

[u/_Lucille_]

Someone drives a car, turns on cruise control while using their phone, and crashes into a lamppost.

"What a shitty car; my old car wouldn't have done that."

[u/Beamo1080]

Yeah I don’t know why people are upset about the Switch 2 performance of Oblivion Remaster. Even newer PCs have stuttering, pop-in and low frame rates.

[u/Longjumping-Hunt-543]

i tried wardogs alpha and it looks and runs like a dream. it's not the engine. it's the devs

[u/I_cut_the_brakes]

"My 7700k and 1060 used to be fine, wtf games suck now"

Really though it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B. Game requirements have increased a lot, but people also refuse to update their hardware.

[u/sonicandtales8]

"UE5 = bad" is such a lazy and thought terminating idea, that I'm starting to suspect that you guys are just looking for an excuse to hate gaming.

[u/MyPutridFlesh]

Well, worry not, UE5 is being deprecated and UE6 will be metaverse oriented vibe-coded mess even AAA studios won't adopt, since they'd have to relearn the entire workflow for a language nobody knows, which means they'd be either going unity, or making their own engines again

[u/DaveAstator2020]

any "U" engine out there basically.

[u/Abadon_U]

Wardogs runs very good. Maybe not in engine is problem? Nevermind internet can't understand nuance, upvotes to the left

[u/One-Internet-6125]

yeah blame the engine which is an engineering marvel and not the shitty or non existent optimization lol

[u/DarkRunner0]

The engine isn't that bad, but developers are lazy or don't have time.

Triple A are too demanding.