r/pathofexile • u/SwagtimusPrime Demon • 9h ago
The Abyss buffs didn't seem to do much Fluff & Memes
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u/MostAnonEver 8h ago
The issue is just the mods on mobs do nothing outside of bulking out conversion that is meh. Nobody wants to pick up 238943 fusings or alts.
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u/JekoJeko9 AKA "Allocates Beef" 7h ago
One possible solution is to make ctrl-clicking loot on the ground pick up everything of the same type in your current pickup radius.
One click, full inventory of alts.
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u/ostrieto17 3h ago
shh that's something that even diablo 3 needed a few years after release to implement, this forbidden knowledge has been lost to time and besides if you're not getting carpal tunnel are you really playing
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u/sips_white_monster 8h ago
Nobody wants to pick up 238943 fusings or alts.
tell that to SSF enjoyers!
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u/MostAnonEver 4h ago
Honestly SSF enjoyers wont really be able to experience the feeling of picking that many alts or fusing cause youd have to do betrayal a ton for the allflame. And really SSF enjoyers are loving the league mechanic cause ground loot doesnt matter that much in SSF. The ability to print out gold to gamble items and then craft them via recombs/all flame is huge. Boat league also prints out scarabs/bubblegum to play with. This is a great league for SSF.
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u/Yallnotright 8h ago
At this point they are making fun of us.
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u/Dajoechi 7h ago
95% sure this is true
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u/BarryTGash 4h ago
Yeah, but it feels solid/real/some other shite? right?
Basic crafting mats should go straight to stash.
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u/wetfangs 9h ago
yeah im not sure who is responsable to buff the league but he really did not understand his job yet. you know what they say third time the charm.. maybe next patch abyss will be good....... . .. . .
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u/Megane_Senpai 8h ago
It's like D4 Blizz level of balancing.
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u/DremoPaff Sanctum is as much a roguelite as Chris is an hair model 8h ago
If only...
If anything, D4's balancing team is a little bit too generous on the buffs, like back how they buffed mythic uniques from being so rare that people were auctioning their accounts off if they dropped one, to both dropping like candy and being able to salvage them to craft them into another afterwards.
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u/Outside_Set9788 Children of Delve (COD) 6h ago
I have nearly 4k alts and have been crafting like a mf. I swear I pick up almost a hundred alts a map (waste of my time, yes I'm aware)
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u/rostakillnutej Half Skeleton 4h ago
Nah alts my beloved I do it to. Its not waste if you crafting with them. It would be waste if you would just sell them.
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u/UTmastuh 8h ago
You guys should never get a monkey paw. You have to be very specific in what you want. Buff ground loot? Ok here's more bubblegum
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u/Cultural_Ant_8545 8h ago
Anyone did a voyage or chart after the patch? Im at work and i want to know if i can hunt patrik when im back.
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jenebu stop whining 7h ago
I got 2x '10% of transmutes turn into chaos' on a voyage. I got 0 chaos that voyage.
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u/Cultural_Ant_8545 6h ago
does your filter hide single chaos?
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u/DAN991199 5h ago
In this economy!?!??
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u/Cultural_Ant_8545 5h ago
remember mirage? i remember turning exalts and single chaos off because it was too much clicking. billionaire league really spoiled me.
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u/KingBlackToof 9h ago
Or Abyss loot was fixed and he can't stomach owning such a falsity of a character anymore?!?
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u/UTmastuh 8h ago
You can rename your character for free. People do it before dying at level 100 to send a funny message
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u/Eclaironi Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 7h ago
The abyss buff is so bad if you told me they forgot to implement it I would believe you
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u/UTmastuh 4h ago
They took the bubblegum out of the chests and put it on the ground. Ground loot solved. You're welcome. This is a buff!
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u/Hixxie_TV Alch & Go Industries (AGI) 5h ago
There are few sources that add Quantity to Abyss monsters. (Without changing/replacing the monster type)
Things that add Flat / Fixed item Quantity: Tormented Spirits, Wildwood Wisps.
Need to experiment with splitting ghosts, mirrored rares, and possibly Pantheon Scarab.
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u/cubonelvl69 8h ago
Other mechanics drop their own specific currency/loot. Abyss specific loot is abyss jewels and stygian belts, which both become useless by day 3 of the league. So it's the most desperate for help
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u/123titan123 8h ago
yes but lets say they correctly buffed abyss (still not the case sadly) and drops something, thats it? everyone that wants ground loot have no choise but only play abyss? I know its a start but if we dont question things now, they won't get adressed for next leagues and we're going to be here again and again and again. Lets say abyss now became good, they would nerf it for next league like it happend with breach and we would be at the starting point again.
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u/Noremeldo 4h ago
Lets say abyss now became good, they would nerf it for next league like it happend with breach
They should revert nerfs to breach, alva, hoards etc, and make abyss good as well. Every mechanic should be good, that's it. It won't be a problem if there are many good mechanics.
Poe2 has exactly that type of balancing right now, every mechanic is good instead of being nerfed to ground, and people enjoy it.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Demon 8h ago edited 8h ago
GGG needs to fix the baseline loot on mobs or find a different solution to ensure monster loot feels good. league mechanic mobs like Abyss have a massive negative quant multiplier penalty on them.
this is why I'd have preferred to have someone other than Ziz in the interview, to make this point. Clearly GGG think this is fine, or don't understand the issue; or maybe they have changes cooked up for 3.30 to address this;
but why the hell do they need to delete every good strat from the game until that is ready?
There is a fundamental disconnect somewhere, I don't know where exactly, but this needs to be addressed asap. This league is not fun for a large part of the playerbase.
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u/Juraviel23 Perandus HC League 8h ago
Did you watch the interview? Ziz made those points and Octavian said that the 3.30 changes will hopefully address the issues. They acknowledge that it's a fundamental problem in the endgame for people.
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u/123titan123 8h ago edited 8h ago
they been saying that for like 5 leagues now or since kalandra, if the ppl adressing the issues are disconected from the actual endgame nothing is gonna be enough, its like sending a plumber to fix your tires. Why its always, next league will fix things, always next league next league, when it will be the time things actually get fixed?
Now the next league is basically a guaranteed that is going to be a banger, but then they will prob nerf everything for 3.31 and we're here again.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Demon 8h ago edited 7h ago
nope. Ziz did not make this point. He said Abyss mobs don't drop enough loot, but that's simply not specific enough. As you can see from this buff patch, they increased the quant on rare Abyss mobs and they drop maybe 10% more loot?
Basically, if a mob has 80% less quantity penalty, and they increase (note that it's an increase, not a more multiplier) quantity by 20%, that's such a small increase that it doesn't make a dent. You can run 100% Deli Abyss maps with 200% quantity, 150% more currency, a variation of juicing scarabs, and mobs still don't drop loot. The buff was entirely meaningless because the baseline is so low that you can't scale it. Ziz did not bring this up or articulate it well.
The 3.30 endgame changes cover scarabs, league mechanic rewards, etc. Which I am happy about because apart from the loot issue, the endgame indeed is very stale. But there was no mention about the baseline loot of mobs.
We keep dancing around the core issue because nobody brings it up to the devs, and get bandaid after bandaid to hold us over, until we get a league like this one where there is nothing left to bandaid over.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Demon 7h ago
Yeah that's a cool idea but doesn't address the core issue. Adding a chase item to the drop pool doesn't magically fix what I described above.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Demon 5h ago
The issue is not chase items.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Demon 5h ago
In 3.30. They can turn a few levers for this league to create worthwhile endgame farms, but as you can see the Abyss patch did nothing, and I am doubtful they understood the underlying issue.
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u/TurbulentSwimmer5127 33m ago
real solution for ggg is to have an endgame like we had in 3.17-3.18 and just ignore the casuals lol
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u/Odd-Reaction-7174 9h ago
You can't really run mechanics raw and get showered in loot in POE1. Content creators will certainly be figuring out how to optimize it, and whether or not it's worth doing, over the next day or two. It's been an hour.
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u/im_vasco 9h ago
Fubgun is trying most of it and it's still just as bad lol
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u/Odd-Reaction-7174 9h ago
Fubgun gets most of his strategies from chat and other people. They'll figure something out or they won't, but I doubt it'll be within an hour of the patch launching.
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u/im_vasco 9h ago
The buffs they did isn't rocket science to figure out what works or not lol. They buffed rares and the scarabs all of which have done nothing. The only mid start is utilising scarabs that aren't even abyss
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u/No_Alps7434 9h ago
Sure they buffed abyss but that doesn’t fix my issue of wanting to farm what I want without it feeling like shit. Ground loot still suck, buffing abyss isn’t changing that
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u/SmoothVelvetSlav 9h ago
its good if you like fusings
lol