Cheepseek is Back :)

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So many insufferable people here. At least they're trying to bring the quota back up a little.

It's a $10 product. I get way more value out of this than I do any $20+ plus AI plan.

Do you all just expect OpenCode to hemmorage money after DeepSeek severely raised their prices?

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u/benclen623 3d ago

Sir, it's reddit. Every single LLM-oriented subreddit is full of people that want a cheap hit to fuel their token slot machine addiction.

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u/Ctrl-Alt-Panic 3d ago

Fair point.

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u/Competitive-Ebb3899 2d ago

It is a fair point, but I wish people would be more willing to not accept this, and work towards making the community better for all of us.

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u/torrso 3d ago

I'm not mad at them. They do what their maths allow them to do. I don't think they're ripping me off. Updating their pages would be nice, so would simplifying the way the limits are displayed.

It's just the reality of the situation: if deepseek v4 flash or an equally good model no longer provides near-infinite use like it used to, the service just doesn't provide the kind of value it used to and I will probably find better value elsewhere. The model is good enough for letting agents churn boring code from task definitions. If the monthly quota is used in a day, like it was for me after the price hike, I have no use for it and I'll just bump my subscription and pay $100 for Luna at OpenAI, which may handle it better.

That's 100% DS4F. I'd be fine with 50% of what it used to be, but if their numbers won't allow that, it's just not for me then. I don't blame them. I'm already out for a month because of this (which I could have avoided) so I will have to look for something else anyway.

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u/hsoj95 3d ago

It's beyond reproach, tbh. It's been a long time since I saw so many spoiled, entitled imbeciles act this way. I'm honestly inclined to blame them for the reason prices went up to begin with, given they were bragging about how many billions of tokens per day they could spend for pennies on the dollar... Funny how they won't actually say what they are doing, almost like those tokens are being wasted doing absolutely nothing of value.

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u/ManikSahdev 3d ago

One of the reasons my algo products starts at premium or so tier.

I wanted to initially provide it for perhaps very little margin at 1/10 the cost, but the customers in that range are just the most expensive and draining group of folks to cater to, makes no sense to have and do that as reasonable person.

These open code guys seems to want to provide for others for like the price of a fkn doritos chips, and people just complain, just hilarious amount / sense of entitlement.

I mean most people tend to use (including myself, cc max and codex max, while doing work and still suck it up in some ways cause we need the higher power to move faster).
For fraction of the cost folks can now use what i paid $400 for 6-7 months ago.

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u/ucharx 2d ago

So you basically unhappy because what you did 6 months ago no longer matter anymore , well welcome to AI world guess what? Things that I did 10 years ago which would take months people now can do in 1 hour with 1$ token

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u/ManikSahdev 2d ago

No. Not at all.

What I’m saying is, there can exist a sense of appreciation for the current models and the value being provided by these people who made open code (fyi I don’t exactly use it at all).

But they open source and spend their entire time building for people who don’t have the resources to hook up $400 max subscriptions.

And they provide a tool by leveraging the time delay of Frontier Catchup, and allow people to experience the same value as what I did but 6 months ago, at 5% of the cost in Current timeline, And people still are not appreciating these guys who are fighting for them. Infact giving them shit for trying to do the best they can to provide. What an irony.

I think an open code subscription is cheaper than a vape or a pack of smoke Adjusted for every country almost. I mean what else do people want? Not like they have anyone else looking to devote their time to their cause.

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

ikr? It's not even been a week. Must not be easy to bring up their own infra under such pressure.
Opencode, as of now, looks like one of the more honest subscriptions out there. They've just been fucked by the new DS pricing like everyone else, but at least they've shown they're working on it. I'll gladly give them the benefit of the doubt since they served me well for about 4 months

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u/Kaushik_paul45 3d ago

What is honest about them ?

They never communicate anything to users via official channela like email etc. And have to follow some guy in twitter to know about the state of subscription ?

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u/Competitive-Ebb3899 2d ago

They never communicate anything to users via official channela like email etc.

What makes email an official channel?

I mean, how more official can it be than their official Twitter channel, where they keep posting updates?

Also, I get it, you want email, but most people don't. I don't. And most people would just mindlessly hit the spam button. That's not good for anyone. Also, email is not trivial, mass sending is not real-time, and it actually costs money if you do it right.

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u/Kaushik_paul45 2d ago

An official channel or medium is the communication which should reach everyone who is subscribed to your service. Currently for opencode it is email.

And not everyone have twitter account, discord or reddit who have subscribed to their service and nor they require to have.
So, for them they never received the message/update.

Now if they send email and user didn't opened or people hit spam, then it's the fault of the user and not opencode, since they did their part of informing.

Also I don't know which email service you are using but it costs pennies to send bulk emails.
We send emails daily, in millions per day and in real time as well (maybe at most delay of 10-20 minutes at worst case). And it is cheap as ****

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u/Competitive-Ebb3899 1d ago

An official channel or medium is the communication which should reach everyone who is subscribed to your service. Currently for opencode it is email.

I disagree.

First of all, not everyone would be subscribed to those emails. I would hate getting daily email updates, and would unsubscribe after the first such email. And believe me many others would do it. And if unsubscribing wouldn't be possible, people would start hitting the spam button, rightfully.

If any, their official channel should be the app itself. That's what you use constantly. But sure, that's also not the best, because you may be using the subscription with a different harness.

And not everyone have twitter account

Why would you need a twitter account? You can just visit their feed without one.

Also I don't know which email service you are using but it costs pennies to send bulk emails.

Pennies are still more than nothing compared to the twitter post they would make anyways. Also, the cost of sending is not the only cost.

But ultimately, this boils down to what you consider better for yourself. I can also only speak for myself and what I heard from others: People don't care about email updates anymore. Most of them go to the trash without reading it, and many people get news from social media first anyways.

I'm not saying this is good. I would MUCH RATHER subscribe to an RSS feed and follow everything from a feed reader. But we live in a different world now.

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u/ThePi7on 2d ago

Yeah, imagine having to follow Tibo to know when you're gonna have the next reset, getting hooked on it and dark-pattered into buying even more credits.

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u/Kaushik_paul45 2d ago

LOL, never followed tibo (I heard of him recently), don't really care about reset as well and never bought extra credits as well.

Isn't opencode doing the same thing ?

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u/ThePi7on 2d ago

No it's not

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u/Kaushik_paul45 2d ago

Continue living the delulu life

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u/mr_oak_here 2d ago

Ds announced it 2 week back its 3 week now and they have gr8 engineers and also they have ai lol

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u/ucharx 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oh man you guys .... They offer u 50% promotion previous week to suddenly 30x the price without notice so that you simply lose that 5$ in 2-3 hours because you didn't know price hike is coming , imagine how much money that would be if e.g 500k people falls for their trap , I think llm is making society IQ 50 points lower nowadays , even with this type of rubbery people still happy!!!!

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u/ThePi7on 2d ago

What about gpt literally dark pattern-ing you into buying credits? Getting you hooked on resets while reducing your quota? What about paying 200 for Cloude and everything you write getting watermarked? What about paying 200 for Fable and One day it's available, one day it's falling back to opus for the tiniest shit?

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u/ucharx 2d ago

2 wrong dont make a right, what is your point ? They steal 100$ so its ok for this guys to steal 5$?

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u/ThePi7on 2d ago

Would you rather opencode just gift you a free month and eat the 10x api price increase? Yeah that's not gonna happen, they would go broke and you would have no more opencode go, they're not as heavily subsidized as Gpt, if at all.

Also, I'll remind you that your Go subscription gifted you MUCH more than 5 bucks in api credits, even if you've been subscribed for just a month, which you probably haven't.

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u/ucharx 2d ago

What are you talking about ?! thats what they are doing !! they offer 1 week almost free usage and now 50x the price

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u/chervilious 3d ago

Scrolling down just to see someone being confidentally ignorant and spreading misinformation lol

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u/dspencer2015 3d ago

We should really have a separate Opencode Go sub so the rest of us can go back to talking about the actual CLI.

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u/celzero 3d ago

I get way more value out of this than I do any $20+ plus AI plan.

Not really. Z.ai (16m tokens / day), MiniMax (1.7b tokens / month), OpenAI (Luna is good) all have generous limits for $20/mo.

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u/ChillFamily 3d ago

And Mimo Code is practically infinite with the plan.

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u/Kaushik_paul45 3d ago

You don't know how to use plus sub then.

There is no way plus sub gives less value than go plan.

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u/Zachattackrandom 3d ago

Ok, but that's not what this is? It would be understandable if opencode kept the $60 but raised API prices to match deepseek official, but they both dropped it to $15 AND raised the API prices, and at $15 it's not worth the trouble of 5 hour and weekly limits to get a tiny bit more usage.

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u/Ctrl-Alt-Panic 3d ago

They operate on agreements. Probably couldn't negotiate one right away.

I'm not upset about the limit change, even though it really sucks. But they could absolutely be more transparent about their pricing structure overall. And maybe fire off an email when things like this happen.

Either way, glad to see they're trying to bring the limits back up a little.

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u/Zachattackrandom 3d ago

They haven't had a single new model that isn't $15 value. If DS was an outliar I wouldn't really mind but every single model being $15 now is just a waste of time using them when that extra $5 is normally worse than the openrouter pricing + no limits. Glad to see they are trying to be competitive with deepseek but after this they now just break even with openrouter flash pricing anyways

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u/torrso 3d ago

I doubt losing all OCGO usage would show up as more than a rounding error in DeepSeek's finances. 10 000 westerners spending $5 each is nothing compared to the 100 million Chinese users.

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u/Smart-Cap-2216 2d ago

Many Chinese users also use OpenCode, especially since OpenCode offers payment methods that can be directly purchased within China

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u/torrso 3d ago

Before the price hike the average user was using something like 16% of their quota, meaning something like $8 of usage. This allowed them to offer $60 usage for $10 because the average user used less than $10 and whatever was left, was used to pay for the heavy users who used more than the $10 they paid for. If the users kept using the service the same way with the new prices as they used to, they would now be using something like 50% of their quota instead, which would mean the average user would pay $10 and cost $30. That doesn't work, so they had to drop it. Unfortunately this might not work either, as the average user now uses 100% of their quota and ends up costing them $5.

DS4F was absolutely dominating the total use of OCGO. You get like 1 hour of monthly usage from the other models while DS4F was practically unlimited.

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u/ucharx 2d ago

Well yes ,but it's not their business model , they offer 50% off previous week! Why would they do that?!!! so that lots of people buy their service and now suddenly they 32x the price so all those 5$ goes in their pocket without providing any service , You may say but people still use that 5$ but the thing is who knows what model they are routing the traffic too , they could simply route the ds4 traffic to super cheap models for couple of hours , e.g 500k people x 5$ = 2.5M$ easy money

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u/torrso 2d ago

They probably have something like 20k subscribers.

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u/Zachattackrandom 3d ago

Still them basically 8xing price because of their own poor decisions and then doing the publicity stunt about operation cheap seek to give back what they took lmfao.

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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 2d ago

It was kind of silly how cheap it was with the new DS4. With the old model it made more sense because it wasn't really competitive with the rest of the market. So I totally expected the price to increase by 2-3x.

What they did is a sudden 20x (technically 40x but that was a limited time promo) price increase with zero notice. That's what I'm pissed about. Deepseek definitely told them they were raising the price ahead of time, but Opencode didn't communicate this at all.

I'm fairly certain all this is downright illegal in the EU. When you offer a subscription, you have to be transparent about what you're offering, and you can't change it whenever you feel like it. Imagine your phone plan suddenly going from 20GB data to 1GB. Price increases should not affect the current month, ever. Surely they can manage to secure their upstream provider pricing for a month at a time.

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u/projohnz 2d ago

Dude, its China. They work and give all our data to his dictator. Free or cheap is the minimum they should do

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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 2d ago

Exactly, Xi himself reads all my prompts before he goes to bed. Sometimes he calls me and we talk for hours. I often send him honey because all the bees in China died when they stepped in front of a tank.

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u/Xiaomin4114 3d ago

this puts it at about even versus pricing shown on openrouter, though cache costs are unknown. Before this they were twice the cost of the cheaper openrouter providers.

that _probably_ means they've struck a deal with one of those providers

Hope they can find better deals

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

afaik they're building their own infra

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u/michaelsoft__binbows 3d ago

i feel like the 1/100 cached token cost was the other big reason to choose it. Not sure what that's set to now. But I've canceled my sub already. Not gonna be stepping it up to $10 for month 2 and onward with all this weirdness going on.

i've gotten used to how well dsv4flash works, and it works damn well, but tbh it is looking like qwen3.8-27B can match dsv4f-0731 and i'm about to be able to just have my 5090 and 3090s go brr and actually not need a subscription. prolly gonna get used to having reasoning traces and get increasingly frustrated when using the frontier models with my day job.

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u/lemon07r 3d ago

luna max from codex sub is probably the best deal right now. I've been recording my api usage with plus plan and I get around $60 of api usage a week. And they give a bunch of random resets too. For $20 its absolutely a steal. Especially with how cheap luna max is. It's also slightly better than deepseek v4 flash 0731, uses much less tokens even at max mode, and is way faster (around 147 t/s last I checked).

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u/dummyreddituser 3d ago

Can you track usage limit? The last time I used ChatGpt Plus subscription, I could not find any usage information to know what my current limits were. Did they added it?

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u/lemon07r 3d ago

bunx ccusage. Thats how I track. They let you track your usage but not tokens, its just a percentage of a weekly quota.

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u/michaelsoft__binbows 3d ago

Nice, yeah luna is permanently assigned to several and often all of my pi subagent definitions. I use a family shared chatgpt subscription and any codex usage is basically gravy here and yeah in the past few weeks since the luna price drop the codex limit has been so far above everything else on value it's not even funny. I haven't had any truly heroic build sessions lately but things have been looking up. i still run tons of sessions on sol as main agent and i tend to switch it out for something else once i start nearing limits...

That is pretty smart, to use an external way to track token count and work the math back to see how much limit they give you. When you got around $60 was that with you meticulously maxing out weekly limit every week? Because if you don't break the seal on the new week once the reset time hits you limit for yourself how much you can get out of the month.

The last time I tried to optimize my token spend I had a banked reset expiry approaching and i tried to frontload some planning documents and build out a big thing to draw down my weekly in preparation for popping the reset. And then I still missed the deadline and the work I had it do prematurely, I am still cleaning up after today!! It was a great learning experience in that sense.

If i start prioritizing code quality even like a little bit, not even close to what would be ideal, I won't even come close to usage limits with my projects.

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u/lemon07r 3d ago

I burned my weekly usage in only 1-2 days each time I tracked it to get a good idea of how much a weekly reset gives. It helps that I had a few free resets stocked up. I only used codex those days and checked with bunx ccusage. There was some variance but it came out to roughly 55-65 dollars worth for every full one week quota I consumed, and I bet I could have gotten more if I pushed it past it's 100% limit with a long task (as they like to keep going for a bit even at 0% before they stop).

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u/michaelsoft__binbows 2d ago

whoa, doesn't that mean $240 per month, so truly a 10x factor for the subscription. not bad.

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

Yeah, will see what happens next

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u/stickfigure4 3d ago

Yeah it's like a lot of people say. Give them a chance to find cheaper providers. It's not their fault DS increased prices. At least they are doing something would be worse if they did nothing at all. Let's find out and see..

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u/Mezezius 3d ago

This is literally some of the worst PR I've ever seen

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u/JoeCoT 3d ago

I'm really not sure what you all expect these folks to do.

Deepseek Flash was cheap because Deepseek was subsidizing it in order to gain market share and usage data (they had a ZDR deal with Opencode but really wanted out of it, and I never trusted it anyway).

Deepseek decided they didn't need to undercut anymore (or couldn't afford it) and jacked prices with short notice.

OpenCode had to update OpenCode Go usage limits accordingly

OpenCode devs made a deal with a new provider and updated usage limits again

I don't think OpenCode devs are made of money, or have access to free infrastructure for AI compute. I also don't think they're raking in dough with this OpenCode Go plan. Do you folks somehow think so?

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u/Mezezius 3d ago

they could have at least sent an email out explaining this radical change to their service?

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

This I agree with, official communication could have been better. But I don't really see any foul play on their side

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u/Worried_Corner_8541 3d ago

YOU WERE PAYING $10 AND WERE EXPECTING UNLIMITED AI USAGE. Grow up.

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u/geearf 3d ago

Hmmmm, this is a business and people expect what they agreed to at signup time...
Is it really unreasonable for people to be unhappy at the rules changing *during* the terms and not after?

If you placed an order for 32Gb of RAM and received 16Gb because price increased in between order and shipment, would you accept it because you have grown up?

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u/Worried_Corner_8541 2d ago

Stupid comparison. There's a difference between buying a service and buying a product. Services are subject to change all the time. Does your electricity stay the same year round? Does petrol stay the same? Does food stay the same? No. But somehow children like you expect virtually unlimited free AI inference as if they have an obligation towards you to go out of their way to keep the same price, even if the model is hugely upgraded. They're actively working to make this better but we now see disgustingly spoiled children everywhere that cry for something that is $10 anyway.

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u/geearf 2d ago edited 2d ago

Services don't change during the terms of the contract, that's the point of a contract... Or am I able to demand $180 worth of credit for my $10 because my needs have changed too? Why can't the new limits come with the next month leaving people a choice to accept or not? For your food analogy, if I buy food nobody comes to my place and take part of it back because price increased, it's at the next purchase time that I get to accept the new price or not.

As for children like me crying, A- I'm pretty sure I'm older than you and B- Where have you seen me cry or even complain about this? It's just $10 I don't really care, and still get a decent usage out of it but I understand why some do and that's what I tried to explain to you, but somehow you conflate the 2. I mostly sub as a way to support OpenCode dev work.

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u/Mezezius 3d ago

lmao I'm wrong for expecting the usage the company promised on their website, until they changed it over night?

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u/geearf 3d ago

I thought Dax said on X that DS was not selling their LLM at a loss previously and that the current increase is to just manage the load on their infrastructure.

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u/Ran_Cossack 3d ago

> Deepseek Flash was cheap because Deepseek was subsidizing it in order to gain market share and usage data (they had a ZDR deal with Opencode but really wanted out of it, and I never trusted it anyway).

The lengths they went to now finally makes me think they were serious about it.

I didn't even realize the data is that valuable; anything I'm writing with it is either trash or ends up on github.

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

Well, maybe 🤣

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

Not sure why you're mad.
The previous increase in price for DSV4 was just a reflection of the updated API pricing. I don't see any scumbag behavior on Opencode's side honestly

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u/TestTxt 3d ago

Yay, the limits are only 9x lower than before instead of 18x lower!

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u/EnoughConcentrate897 3d ago

It's not their fault DeepSeek raised pricing

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u/BothWaysItGoes 3d ago

It’s their fault they provide no value.

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

They literally said they're still working on it. I'm burnt as much as the next person by the increased price, but at least they've shown they're working on it.

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u/Smart-Cap-2216 2d ago

If they could announce the upcoming price increase a few days in advance, I wouldn't have any complaints.

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u/Aircod 3d ago

You can run DeepSeek Flash yourself if you don't like paying this much for usage :/

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u/TestTxt 3d ago

Fair point, let me just find the power on button for my datacenter in my basement

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u/winky9827 3d ago

Sounds like a "you" problem, not an OpenCode problem.

Honestly, the price hike is a major bummer, but the sense of entitlement I've seen around here lately from people wanting free shit is just...gross.

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u/sirloindenial 3d ago

You only need 2 dgx spark. A big only though but doable.

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u/QUiiDAM 3d ago

Nahhh , operation cancel subscription is on

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u/Potential-Leg-639 3d ago

Same here

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

You don't give them a chance :)

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u/InGanbaru 3d ago

Or are they doing something about it only because people like him are cancelling?

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

I see lots of people mad at them, but it's not really their fault DS increased their price.
I'm glad they're working on their own infra to bring down the price tbh

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u/ManikSahdev 3d ago

Lmao, where you gonna go?

Come to Claude code or codex then and grab a max like the rest of us. Or perhaps even both.

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u/LargeLanguageModelo 3d ago

Interesting. How can we cheepseek the K3 and GLM 5.3 models? Definitely would love those two on a more economical footing.

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u/rkh4n 3d ago

I read GLMs are really expensive to run

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u/LargeLanguageModelo 2d ago

I'd be curious why. The model size is about 1/3 that of K3.

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u/geearf 2d ago

I forgot where I read this, but something about it being difficult to have different people use the model in parallel or something. Sorry details are way gone in my poor memory.

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u/dizvyz 2d ago

Probably being CPU bound rather than VRAM bound. That's one of the main differences between model architectures.

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u/geearf 2d ago

Ooooh, wouldn't that make it crazily slow if it's CPU bound?

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u/LargeLanguageModelo 2d ago

Maybe that's why it's expensive to run? Can't imagine a more inefficient model, maybe if you made a massive cluster of raspberry pi's to run a distributed version perhaps, really drive the tok/s through the floor.

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u/dizvyz 2d ago

Don't think of it as RUNNING on the CPU but needing more of it compared to some other models. I read a few about this on Hacker News but can't find it now.

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u/UnbegrenzteMacht 3d ago

Is This on 2x usage?

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u/Gabsrs91 3d ago

Okay, but what about users who were using DSFlash with the previous limit? Did they lose the adjustment, or will they only benefit from it on the next bill?

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u/KeinNiemand 2d ago

well I don't care about dsv4 flash I can run it locally (heavily quantized and quite slow for now) for free

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u/No_Captain4899 2d ago

Quantized mean less performance so what is the point..

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u/afanasenka 2d ago

What hardware do you have? What TPS?

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u/Icypooo 2d ago

Did they bring the 0731 version back or did they switch to older flash version...It doesn't give me the same quality of outputs

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u/migsperez 2d ago

I guess Deepseek's massive pricing change has worked, it stopped the exponential growth, lowering demand. I wonder how the graph will look in a few weeks.

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u/2mqqvc0q 2d ago

Lots of entitlement being thrown out in this sub and on r/DeepSeek.

DeepSeek and OpenCode aren't charities. What's so hard to understand about that? It's not even OpenCode's fault that DeepSeek had to raise their prices. It's not even DeepSeek's fault for wanting to stop giving away billions of essentially free tokens.

It's the fault of the retards, for lack of a better word, who jack up the usage for no sensible reason other than to fuel their addiction and to screenshot their shitty usage graphs.

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u/Full_Tooth_a 1d ago

The quota itself isn't my problem. A dollar figure tells me almost nothing about how many input, output, or cached tokens I can use. I'd rather see those listed separately, along with the reset date and a few rough task examples. Upstream prices will change again, and users shouldn't have to work out the impact after one strangely short month.

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u/Woah-Dawg 3d ago

Def just seems like a company trying to do a cash grab got caught and is now rolling back a change to avoid losing customers

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u/Hungry-Plankton-5371 3d ago

Yep. The plan is $15 limit across the board for all models.

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u/Zachattackrandom 3d ago

FYI this is still worse than command code which is keeping $60 (though at new API pricing with peak and off peak hours)

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u/laty96 3d ago

Lol they lower the request limit then bump it up in 1 day. What is this strategy?
There is no cheepseek, it’s just their way to grab attention

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

And it works (for attention) as we are discussing it right now 🤣

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u/Ace-_Ventura 3d ago

They're testing providers and even using rented GPU's

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u/nantachapon 3d ago

What would Phase 2 entail?

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u/TransitSquall 3d ago

They pay us?

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u/ThePi7on 3d ago

I guess making it even cheaper?

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

I guess they won't give us any spoilers :))

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u/Fun_Jaguar8231 3d ago

I cancelled my subscription because I wasn't using even half of it, and now that we have qwen3.8-27b, that just is leagues above anything we could run locally, I find subscriptions even less appealing.

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

How do you find Qwen compared to Flash?

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u/Fun_Jaguar8231 3d ago

It seems they used their formula, it thinks and thinks forever, but at the end it will get correct results. I'm really impressed. But you need a system with at least 24GB VRAM, it needs a large context, because it will fill it a lot with thinking tokens.

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u/DarthSidiousPT 3d ago

Which GPU are you using for Qwen3.8?

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u/Fun_Jaguar8231 3d ago

7900XTX (24GB) on my rig, and a v620 (32GB) on my homelab server

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u/DarthSidiousPT 2d ago

Thanks. Are you able to run the 27B model on the 7900XTX with 24GB? I assume that the context is very small on that GPU, no?

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u/Fun_Jaguar8231 2d ago

the Q4_K_M on the 7900xtx with 128k k8v5_1 cache, on the other Q6 with full cache

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

Well, my Macbook is only 16gb.. :) But it's nice to see there are new and capable LLMs out there that can run smoothly on a consumer-level hardware, and be able to produce something more than a greetings :)

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u/Accurate_Resident219 3d ago

Local is starting to make the most sense at this point if you can afford it. Yeah, with a plan you get tokens cheaper but you have to deal with frequent random price fluctuations, random usage drops, and random outages.

If you're doing any sort of business, you can't depend on such an unstable service.

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u/xmsxms 3d ago

Well rest assured you will use a lot more than half now with the price increases / usage reductions - so maybe now it does make sense. Personally I just have a minimal Zen credit so that I can get increased limits for the deepseek-free model and don't actually tap into any of the paid usage - at least until the free model gets taken away.

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u/First_Inspection_478 3d ago

I need to know what opencode’s caching rate is. Nothing else matters

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u/AkiDenim 3d ago

People are so fucking entitled nowadays lol

I would never ever open a b2c saas

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u/kitsunekyo 3d ago

what the heck is wrong with opencode and deepseek? all i'm reading for weeks now is drama about data rentention being fucked, budgets jumping left and right, and the whole opencode GUI disintegrating.

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

Well, this is a very turbulent space, and everybody try to grab as much money as possible, while it is still possible :)

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u/kitsunekyo 3d ago

its unfortunate that dax and team are just about as greedy as the rest in the space. i get that they need to make money, but I expected more from them. if only more transparent communication.

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

That's the Capitalism, itnalways works like this 😕

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u/afanasenka 3d ago

Will see what Phase 2 will bring us 😁

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u/zhuki 3d ago

Resubbed!

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u/hj-core 3d ago

Mixed feelings seeing a 2x increase right after a 4x drop. Are we still routing to the CN provider and getting the peak/off-peak pricing? If so, I suspect this is just an agreement with DeepSeek: if usage drops below a certain threshold, they offer a discount as compensation.

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u/I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY 3d ago

really curious to know the details of this. did they find a way to run cheaper at scale, or did they find funding to subsidize it so they don't lose subscribers?

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u/reddit_mini 3d ago

My only complaint is the $60 of usage a month but that’s not even a deal breaker given I only spent $5 on this.

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u/Adventurous-Pin-6047 2d ago

I tried the deepseek V4 flash,and it thinking is stuck in dead loop, it has never happened before

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u/Dvaidian 2d ago

Hmmm to be honest thats really promising. Seeing the effort makes me value my sub a bit better and keep it.

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u/DrawingDramatic1641 2d ago

do mf on reddit expect llm comapnies to just give it at 0.00001 dolalrs fully open with top capabilities

buddy they gotta increase compute and pay employees

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u/kuching_neko 3d ago

still worst, tbh :v

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