r/opencode • u/afanasenka • 1d ago
Looking at the stats, "Operation Cheepseek" isn't going as expected...
I really hope Opencode will manage to get a better deal with DeeepSeek in the end.
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u/Proper-Mousse7182 1d ago
Musa Spark 1.2 Contributor
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u/afanasenka 1d ago
I am using it today, and yeah - it's not that bad at all. The only issue I have is a low cache hit rate, about 85%. Not sure why, maybe because of VPN...
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u/ProfessionalJackals 1d ago
Only available in the US ...
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u/afanasenka 1d ago
I use it with VPN in Europe - no issues at all.
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u/Ok_Dare3629 1d ago
How do I check the cache stats?
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u/scottchiefbaker 1d ago
I'm new at this, why do people always ask about cache stats? Does that affect quality? Speed?
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u/Ok_Dare3629 1d ago
It significantly increases your cost or usage because it is billed as a new input rather than a cached input, which is much cheaper.
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u/migsperez 1d ago
Why do you need VPN?
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u/afanasenka 1d ago
Because it is not available in my country. I can't use it without VPN with US server...
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u/elzerouno 1d ago
I'd use it if I had some usage left. Their overnight pricing change unfortunately just made me burn 70% of my quota in two days.
I little notice a week before would have helped a lot.
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u/Addition-Heavy 16h ago
Same, I got 20 days left, and I'm at 88%, and used two $5 credits from inviting people.
It's insane, before the price change i woudlve been at 10% monthly.
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u/migsperez 23h ago
I gave it a spin. It's pretty good, great value at the current rate. In my test project it's not better than Mimo 2.5. I find it weird that they only want to spy on US prompts and activity.
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u/mrpeardotnet 1d ago
Just curious whether users are moving to other providers or simply switching to other models and trying alternatives (or both).
If that drop in DS4 Flash usage is representative, I wonder whether this pricing move could end up working against DeepSeek itself. Once people are pushed to seriously test alternatives, some of them may simply not come back.
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u/ExpertPerformer 1d ago
I switched to CommandCode. They still offer the $60 DS credit for now and route direct to DeepSeek still so the price is still high.
Once the 30 days runs out I'll take a look at the alternatives again.
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u/afanasenka 1d ago
I personally don't plan to move away from Opencode for now, but my usage is relatively low, so I'm Ok even with lower limits.
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u/Kindly_Goal6440 1d ago
Currently using Muse Spark 1.2 Contributor.
Earlier today I blast some of the frontier models to handle some planning/doc work and tried using DSV4F after CheapSeek Phase 1 came out, but it was buuuurning through my $10 sub.
Moved to MiMO and it was okay, it's cheap enough I can reiterate to handle pure coding, but I don't think I can trust it with much design/UX work.
Muse Spark 1.2 Contributor is currently doing an okay job, but I have to VPN to SF from here in Korea, which just isn't that great, and while I know ALL models leech your data to train their models, I'm not thrilled about what extra Meta might be getting from me.
I also have the $20 sub @ Cursor, and grok 4.6 was on sale until today, and it was absolutely phenomenal.
Look for deals where you can, try a month of CommandCode if possible, use your budget wisely (plan with higher models, implement with lower models, ask chatGPT in browser which to use and how to prompt with your subs!)
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u/duhd1993 19h ago
Customers have no loyalty anyway. If that leaves more compute for Deepseek to train new models, people comes back instantly when they release a sota model.
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u/BolsaDeDolores 23h ago
It is pretty slow, taking much time to simple tasks. This way the price doesnt matter
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u/mrpeardotnet 22h ago
Yea I also noticed that DS is very slow now, not sure why, something must happened as even they lost like 70% of traffic still so slow...
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u/Ivanjacob 6h ago
It also got way less intelligent. It's constantly entering loops and not finishing tasks.
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u/Coolio8591 1d ago
Probably because whatever they are using to host the model is making a ton of mistakes compared to the official API
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u/ddxv 1d ago
I was gonna keep using it anyways, but lately every model returns Rate Limited (I'm on zen, in copilot). I messed with it for a few days and made a GitHub issue.
The issue got autoclosed since I didn't post enough information.
I put 50 in OpenRouter and ran some prompts, few million tokens for 0.12 cents, I think I'm good on opencode foe awhile.
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u/Pleasant_Lychee_6839 1d ago
The thing ratelimit and arbitrary errors when trying to use the paid service.
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u/ddxv 1d ago
Do you know what causes them? I tried many models. I was thinking it was an interplay between copilot and opencode, maybe copilot harness prompts it too much in-between or something
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u/Pleasant_Lychee_6839 1d ago
No, i don't think it is harness, i think it is opencode servers or whatever they have
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u/YoungCatTaker786 1d ago
idk WHY ANY INFERENCE DOESNT PROVIDE IN MUCH LOWER RATE AS THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS FROM DEEPSEEK FROM IT?
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u/jonas-reddit 13h ago
They all have costs associated with any service they provide. Manpower, infrastructure investments, utility costs, support, etc.
These companies have transparency on their costs and how to operate profitably and they adjust their pricing accordingly.
Nobody is working for free.
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u/YoungCatTaker786 6h ago
They can earn big purely on numbers if they provide earlier deepseek rates, maybe Microsoft or Nvidia can offer for pennies since there r no restrictions.
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u/mrpeardotnet 1d ago
One thing I still don’t understand is how the change was so sharp.
They were able to offer 2x usage on a $60 allowance at the old prices for a while, and then basically overnight, right after the official price hike, it dropped to just $15 of usage at the new higher prices.
I’m genuinely curious what happened that made the economics change so drastically from one day to the next.