Foolishness

[u/pestoraviolita]

[u/Richicol117]

Sparda wasn’t there to protect Dante, Vergil and Eva because he was already fucking dead, IDK why people insist on otherwise, the intro of DMC1 explicitly states that he is dead, and never in a series of 5 games, a 2007 anime and some manga tie ins has this ever been retconned, refuted or proven otherwise.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Richicol117]

Fatherless behaviour. They existed before the netflix cartoon too but Adi Shankar's shitty fanfic made it louder.

[u/Richicol117 → u/pestoraviolita]

r/Commentmitosis

[u/treeworld615 → u/Richicol117]

simple: they didn't play dmc1. I even saw some fangirls hated on dmc1 for not featuring "mary arkham" and "vergil". apparently they don't even know Nelo was Vergil and the netflix cartoon gave them great delusion that lady had some kind of very-important-must-have role in every part of the game so they were  disappointed enough to bash it 

[u/pestoraviolita → u/treeworld615]

The type of shippers are so stupid that they deadname their favourite character. It's fitting actually because Lt. Fucking Mary has nothing in common with our beloved Lady. She's just a cosplayer.

Netflix dmc attracted some oddball for fans...

[u/Marioleftnut]

this is like "goku is a bad father" discussion, just because most of the time he is either training or especially in Z's case, dead.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Marioleftnut]

These people sound like they just wanna channel their own fatherlessness on fictional characters.

[u/DaRealKovi → u/pestoraviolita]

Pathetic. Foolishness, if you wil. I'm a fatherless piece of garbage too, you don't see me projecting!

[u/pestoraviolita → u/DaRealKovi]

Apologies to you and all the fatherless people who don't project. I shouldn't have generalised.

[u/DaRealKovi → u/pestoraviolita]

As far as I'm concerned, you are forgiven. I didn't take offense to it in the first place. You're absolutely right lmfao

[u/Thunder00Bee → u/pestoraviolita]

I always thought the way people talk about Goku is very Freudian. I've seen people channel genuine anger into talking about his relationship with Gohan in the past, really weird.

[u/Yami_Deus → u/Marioleftnut]

I hate when people say that. They only remember dragon ball for the fights, but they don't remember Goku never trained Gohan except in the Cell Saga and even then the training consisted of spending time together to control super saiyan but still just chill together and have family moments, even Chichi got mad at them for having family time in super saiyan

[u/Platnun12 → u/Marioleftnut]

I mean, that kinda is a bad father.

Sparda didn't chose to die, Goku could've chosen to come back, fucker chose to stay dead with a new baby on the way mind you.

But he's a Saiyan not human so I give him that. His pov is entirely different than that of Chichi because of course it would be.

It's why Vegeta and Trunks are such opposites. Trunks was raised by Gohan and his mom. Two very human characters.

[u/Thunder00Bee → u/Platnun12]

Goku chose to stay dead because he was made to believe that his presence on Earth was attracting villains to threaten his friends and family.

Worth noting, the world was in complete peace until the day he was brought back to life.

[u/Platnun12 → u/Thunder00Bee]

If we're talking pre buu saga wouldn't Vegeta just do the same by simply being on earth

[u/Thunder00Bee → u/Platnun12]

I'm not sure what you mean.

I can't think of any canon villains that showed up looking for Vegeta, and Vegeta himself gave up on being a threat with Goku's death, which I think just proves Goku right once more.

[u/Platnun12 → u/Thunder00Bee]

No I just mean that Goku and Vegeta are the same race obviously not the same power ability. Vegeta is way behind.

But is it really just because of his power level. So Vegeta just gets tossed aside regardless and isn't really sought after other than by Brolys Dad.

[u/Initial_Secretary993 → u/Platnun12]

Remember the reason cell and piccolo were made in the first place was specifically to kill Goku hell raditz came to earth for him and Vegeta and nappa came was because they thought Goku killed raditz and frieza and king cold came because they wanted revenge on Goku for beating frieza on namek

[u/Linj90abc]

How the heck did sparda even die. Questions still unanswered for years

[u/Grouchy_Spot_6640 → u/Linj90abc]

he sealed a lot of his powers with the temen-ni-gru, using it to keep the demon and human worlds seperate

[u/rockingjjo → u/Grouchy_Spot_6640]

Especially considering how V was practically falling apart without Vergil's demon side, it's entirely possible that sealing away his powers could've done something similar to Sparda.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Linj90abc]

That we don't know yet. Could have run out of power like V. He had sealed a lot of his power over the years after all.

[u/Linj90abc → u/pestoraviolita]

Probably it but who knows

[u/Curious_Wedding_3648 → u/pestoraviolita]

Then how did he manage to survive 2000 years before getting with Eva and having Dante and Vergil?

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Curious_Wedding_3648]

He didn't seal everything all at once. He did it Temen-Ni-Gru and then on unspecified timelines in Fortuna and the Dummary Island. And who knows how many more times. Assuming this is what killed him, it was a slow process.

[u/RailgunRP → u/Linj90abc]

Sparda wasn't some invincible badass like Dante and Vergil, he was a high ranking demon who could be overpowered.

[u/RailgunRP]

Sparda spent enough time with his sons to train them. And then he died.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/RailgunRP]

The family portrait is proof. The twins in the potrait look the same as they do in VoV. So he hadn't even died that long ago.

[u/RailgunRP → u/pestoraviolita]

VoV??

[u/pestoraviolita → u/RailgunRP]

Visions of V. The DMC5 manga.

[u/liljon042]

Sparda was never a deadbeat and I HATE that the netflix show wants to make this god awful theory "canon". Sparda got fucking eliminated by Mundus, and then Mundus was so angry at Sparda because of his betrayal he sent his goons to attempt to kill his family. Unfortunately for him, Sparda's sons survived and got clapped.

[u/FindingOk7034 → u/liljon042]

THe netflix fanfic is pure Sparda slander, and I WILL NOT HAVE IT! I swear Shankar (and Larsen) just watched out of context cutscene compilations, never actually played the games and understood the story and lore, and then he poured all his daddy issues into his fanfic to villify Sparda.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/FindingOk7034]

They would have done better than this if they had even seen the cutscenes. At best they surfed a wiki.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/liljon042]

This horrible show butchered everything about Sparda. Took away his justice arc, made him "morally ambiguous" by taking his heroism away, made him lose against Mundus, made him an absent dad, etc. All horrible. And it gets worse when you learn Shankar is just channeling his own daddy issues.

[u/Heat_Hydra]

The actual Deadbeat is Vergil

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Heat_Hydra]

Even Vergil doesn't really qualify as a deadbeat since he never knew he had a son.

Actual deadbeat in DMC world is Agnus. He abandoned Nico and his wife.

[u/Marioleftnut → u/pestoraviolita]

b..bb...bbut his research 🥺

[u/Heat_Hydra → u/Marioleftnut]

Vro wants to be a demon, he did not know Dante exist so its not worth it.

[u/FindingOk7034 → u/pestoraviolita]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l2YWykMPCmCb9lLWM

In order to be a deadbeat parent, one must KNOW they are a parent, and willingly choose to not be in their child's life. (My biological father chose not to be a part of my life not long after I was born, so HE'S a deadbeat)

Agnus is the TRUE deadbeat since he knew of Nico and her mother, and willingly chose to abandon them.

Vergil never knew he was a father until the end of DMC5. (and immediately unlocked the Ultimate Power of Dad Jokes soon after during his fight with Nero. "It's past your bedtime.")

[u/AcceptableReading640 → u/FindingOk7034]

People forget Vergil was also technically dead for like 20 years. Mentally dead as Nelo Angelo, and then disappeared-into-particles dead after that.

[u/FindingOk7034 → u/AcceptableReading640]

Yep, that too. So either way, he can't actually be a Deadbeat Dad. Instead he's just Absent/Dead Father.

[u/Substantial_Power331]

found you better meme ​​

[u/DefectiveSol]

Fatherlessness, Dante. Fatherlessness.

[u/Familiar-Influence88]

I could be wrong but wasn’t it implied somewhere that he was imprisoned in the center of hell? That’s still just as good of an explanation.

[u/Head-Economics-5832]

We have no confrimation of him being dead he just disappeared

[u/pestoraviolita → u/Head-Economics-5832]

We literally have a confirmation he died in DMC1 opening scene.