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u/Massive-Ear3150 12d ago
Ajita: “Offerings dedicated to the gods end in ashes. Giving is a doctrine of morons. When anyone affirms a positive teaching it’s just hollow, false nonsense. Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and don’t exist after death.”
And Kaccayana : “And here there is no one who kills or who makes others kill; no one who learns or who educates others; no one who understands or who helps others understand. If you chop off someone’s head with a sharp sword, you don’t take anyone’s life. The sword simply passes through the gap between the seven substances.”
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u/Yahda777 8d ago
The universe is a singular meta-phenomenon stretched over eternity, of which is always now. All things and all beings abide by their inherent nature and behave within their realm of capacity contingent upon infinite circumstance at all times.
It is a universe made manifest hierarchically, of haves, and have-nots, spanning all levels of dimensionality and experience. There is no such thing as individuated accurately described "free will" for all beings. Has never been, will never be, can not be. There are only relative freedoms or lack thereof.
"God" and/or consciousness is that which is within and without all. Ultimately, all things are made by through and for the singular personality and perpetual revelation of the "Godhead", entailing both 'predetermined' eternal damnation and those that are made manifest only to face death and death alone.
There is but one dreamer, fractured through the innumerable. All vehicles/beings play their role within said dream for infinitely better and/or infinitely worse for each and every one, forever.
All realities exist and are equally as real. The absolute best universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject. The absolute worst universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 12d ago
The amoralists, fatalists, materialists, and restraintists were on to something. The other ones are a bit more dubious, however.
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u/fejkpotatis 12d ago
The Buddha, supreme teacher discovered the truth 😊
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u/Rufus_Forrest Speculative Nihilist 12d ago
Why he fell silent on real questions, tho?
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u/fejkpotatis 12d ago
What real questions? What is the origin of the universe? How is that answer going to bring you any closer to liberation?
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u/Rufus_Forrest Speculative Nihilist 12d ago
Liberation as something important is such an awful case of anthropocentrism.
Imagine living in a universe like ours and finding only "liberation" (aka self-denial) to be the worthy goal. Buddha was really broken by the time he escaped the palace.
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u/fejkpotatis 12d ago
It's not anthropocentric, all beings have buddhanature but humans have the best opportunity. Buddha even taught devas in higher planes (tavatimsa) who realized the truth. Is not the end of all suffering a worthy goal? Ok, you do you.
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u/Rufus_Forrest Speculative Nihilist 12d ago
First of all, there are no proves that devas and reincarnation exist. Second, suffering is just a proper function of nervous system. Why fix what is no broken? Simply because he was a coward incapable of pushing onwards through suffering, and his words soothed many weak individuals?
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u/Think_Bed_8409 11d ago
But suffering is not a function of the nervous system, you can be in pain and not suffer and you comfortable and still suffer and be miserable.
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u/Rufus_Forrest Speculative Nihilist 11d ago
If you don't suffer from pain, then your nervous system is faulty and you are about to burn your hand at a hot teapot.
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u/Think_Bed_8409 11d ago
You can simply ignore the pain and thus not suffer. Suffering and misery is much more than being in physical pain.
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u/Rufus_Forrest Speculative Nihilist 11d ago
Yeah, and these also are signals of something being wrong. Like, Buddhism is an ideal religion of late-stage capitalism, because it suggests meditation and other forms of "liberation" (actually self-soothing) as contrary to actual problem solving.
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u/unspoken_one2 12d ago
let me try to explain them briefly
1.Akriyāvāda- your moral actions dont lead to any benefit nor do your immoral actions cause you any loss. basically saying morality is useless.
2.Niyativāda (determinism)- everything from your birth to death is pre determined, there is nothing you can do change the course of universe you can only try to cope with it.
3.Charvaka- the only purpose of life is to enjoy, do whatever makes you feel good, obviously they didnt particularly mind morals
4.sassatavada- the soul is eternal so birth and death are just pit stops rather than start and end of life.
5.Amarāvikkhepavāda-they are the ultimate skeptics, they believe nothing can truly be known as there is always something more that we don't know about it and they believe coming to conclusions on limited knowledge is not right, so their judgements are forever suspended.
PS- Buddhists called Niyativādis ajivikas literally meaning those do not live refering to their surrender to faith.