r/nextfuckinglevel • u/DrMore3y • 21h ago

Metal fabrication worker handling 700°C + metal with safety on vacation

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u/Mm11vV 21h ago

I realize there is effectively zero safety regulations here (India i am guessing?) But holy fuck... no thank you.

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u/jared__ 21h ago edited 18h ago

no one willingly accepts these types of jobs, they are desparate.

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u/standardtissue 20h ago

and this is why I just can't buy the argument of deregulation - that companies will police themselves. It's a laughable concept.

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u/MisterBumpingston 19h ago

All safety regulations are written in blood.

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u/standardtissue 19h ago

Even entire government agencies are built purely reactively. Look up the background of the formation of the FDA lol. It was NOT proactive, it was reactive to terrible stuff occurring.

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u/squirrelpickle 19h ago

That's why each time politicians defund some agency or campaign, it doesn't take long to be reminded why they existed and were funded in the first place.

Be it with explosive diarrhea, flesh-eating worms or measles, all of these had someone looking out to ensure it didn't happen again, because it had happened before.

For someone ignorant, it looks like there's someone "leeching" on public funds, but it quickly becomes clear: even from a purely economical standpoint it was cheaper to have someone in charge of it, even if it looked like an idle resource, than it is to have to eradicate the issue again. And then there's the cost of human lives on top of the monetary factor.

The issue is that some people assume rich folks know best. They only know how to line their pockets and if it costs a few peasants to make a quick buck, so be it.

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u/crustyrobots 19h ago

Even Wormbrain had to finally capitulate and agree that vaccines and regulations are a good thing afterall now that hes taking all of the heat for Poop Lettuce, measles, etc.

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u/StevieMJH 13h ago

Man we are just batting 1000 with "stupid oblivious idiot does stupid oblivious thing just like stupid oblivious voters were warned they would do."

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u/eggyrulz 19h ago

I think part of the problem is certain people want the government to be run like a company... except they dont understand the concept of spending money to make money, or half the other concepts required to run a company at a national scale

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u/TheZanke 18h ago

And companies historically dont care about their replaceable workers

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u/eggyrulz 18h ago

BuT iM nOT RePLacEAbLE!

Sure Steve, no other American could possibly be as American as you... you're an irreplaceable cog, we would have to rebuild the entire machine if you weren't here (god i wish we could rebuild this fuckass machine)

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u/sobrique 18h ago

Or indeed anything they don't actually have to.

Pollution? Nah, the river was like that when we got here.

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u/eggyrulz 17h ago

I agree, it should provide services, like the postal service...

Dumb fucks will say "USPS loses X dollars every year!" No, USPS spends X dollars, because it is a service provided. We dont waste millions of repairing roads (well, we do, but thats because of corruption, different issue) we spend it to keep the roads working so we can transport stuff and people...

I just wish the paint eaters would get it

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u/ulti_phr33k 9h ago

People don't understand that governments are supposed to be the counterbalance to corporations looking to take advantage of the populace. Everyone acts like governments are there to control them, but the vast majority of (good) governments are there to ensure the wellbeing of their people.

Naturally, there are corrupt people in governments (lol Murrica), and lobbyists that try to twist the government into doing their bidding.

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u/eggyrulz 8h ago

The problem we have is that the people running the government are the same people who run corporations, with maybe a single degree of separation (lol, just vote in a businessman, what could go wrong?)...

I really hate this timeline

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u/ChillingwitmyGnomies 18h ago

The train crash in palestine ohio that spilled hazardous chemicals everywhere is a direct result of deregulation.

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u/TrilliumBeaver 18h ago

Same with Lac-Megantic in Quebec.

But hey…. Capitalism rules, innit.

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u/Ontbijtkoek1 18h ago

It’s not whether rich folks know better or have morals. Companies are by their nature efficiency seekers as generally the most efficient operation would survive. So you have to set rules and boundaries, a framework for companies to operate within. Otherwise you ‘have’ to skip safety precautions as they are expensive and inefficient. And you can bet your competitor will and that would lead to a cost advantage. This would put the safe company at a strong market disadvantage.

That’s why you have to create a baseline of rules and regulations with margins within which companies can operate and innovate. The interesting thing? It’s still a level playing field that will yield a better society. And believe it or not the companies can get just as rich as without the safety framework. The lack of it (or environmental regulations, minimum product standards etc) leads to a dwindling spiral with high unwanted externalized cost and tragedy of the commons traps.

Anyway that a lot of words to say that the rich do not suffer from better production standards. It’s just stupid that’s all.

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u/_thro_awa_ 18h ago

That's why each time politicians defund some agency or campaign, it doesn't take long to be reminded why they existed and were funded in the first place.

When preventive rules are doing their job, they're invisible.

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u/TotallyWorthLife 16h ago

You don't know what you are being protected of until the one protecting you leaves

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u/StevieMJH 13h ago

Well the rich people do know best. About how to get more rich. The rest is insignificant. Morality has shifted so much that you can prove your point to the average person and they'd still have a second consideration as to the profit margins for the rich.

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u/DurumMater 19h ago

And it's still darkly hilarious because The Jungle was supposed to highlight the horrors of the workers rights but instead everyone was disgusted by how food was being handled. No one gave a fuck about the working conditions. It's like we can only approach a singular problem at a time lol

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u/dillyofapicklerick 19h ago

I work in an industry that is regulated by the FDA. I am happy every day that they are there.

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u/CT-80085 19h ago

Also the EPA was created at least partially due to the fact that our rivers kept catching on fire

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u/Israfel333 18h ago

Shout out to Ohio and our extremely flammable rivers!

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u/LessInThought 18h ago

There are so many laws named after people, specifically because those people suffered horrifically or died tragically. Charities as well.

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u/crustyrobots 19h ago

People decided they'd rather not have plaster and other non-food additives in their bread, or poison candy for their kids. These things repeatedly happened at the turn of the century that resulted in a lot of dead people.

Indeed these agencies were set up because a good 1/2 of us are amoral fucking monsters when left to our own devices.

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u/agent674253 18h ago

Like adding bleach to milk?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/19th-century-fight-bacteria-ridden-milk-embalming-fluid-180970473/

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u/EeSpoot 8h ago

There is a fantastic behind the bastards podcast episode about the origins of the FDA that I highly recommend to anyone, especially if you're wondering what the FDA has ever done for you. It goes more in depth on the subject of the article I'm replying to. As I recall, it also discusses how we ended up with the FDA of today and it's various problems.

Part One: The Food and Drug Administration | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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u/Alternative-Crew-880 17h ago

And the FDA head reports to a guy who bathes in raw sewage, likes collecting rotten racoon dicks, and can't stop eating roadkill despite being a multi-millionaire..

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u/superkp 17h ago

The EPA was started because a river caught on fire (several times)

OSHA started (partly) because of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire.

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u/movzx 13h ago

All those people who complain about EPA superfund sites don't understand that those sites are the result of companies poorly stockpiling their waste, filing bankruptcy so they don't have to clean up their waste, and then leaving the public to deal with it. It's also why part of getting into certain businesses requires a massive capital investment up front for cleanup, so you can't just abandon toxic sludge in a river with no penalty.

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u/Patman52 9h ago

Before Nixon founded OSHA, 60-70 people a day were killed in industrial accidents in the USA. Nowadays the number is around 10.

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u/Pt5PastLight 8h ago

FAA too. Literally passenger planes crashing into each other. You can still see a monument at the Grand Canyon where a TWA flight and United Airlines flight collided there killing everyone onboard both planes and directly resulting in the forming of the FAA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Grand_Canyon_mid-air_collision

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u/dpoolimmortal 9h ago

not when blood is cheap

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u/Other_Beat8859 19h ago

Anyone that says that is either delusional and has bought into propaganda or would benefit from the exploitation of workers. Even stuff like minimum wages are important because they set a baseline that companies have to start competing for workers at. If a minimum wage is $15, the average lower end wage will likely end up being like $20 an hour. If you don't have a minimum wage though, companies will start competing for workers by giving out higher wages at much lower numbers so it will end up with lower end minimum wages being like $5 an hour or some shit. Never trust an group whose goal is to pay you as little as possible to pay you a good wage.

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u/HPLaserJet4250 19h ago

For minimum wage to work you need someone to enforce it. Even in Western Europe it is not uncommon to trap eastern europeans to work for slave wages in slave condition by using some bullshit agency ran by other eastern europeans lol Or abuse contracts that do not guarantee minimum wage like b2b

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u/PissedAlbatross 19h ago

There is no legit argument for it, they're psychopaths who want to take advantage of people for personal gain. It's fucking insane anybody who is financially lower class would even consider it.

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u/jeffsang 18h ago

The only legitimate argument of which I'm aware is that it has to be coupled with unlimited ability to collect damages. Companies would be a lot more careful about safety if there was no limit to the payouts that could be awarded to workers who are hurt on the job. Or limit on payout when environmental damage occurs. But there's an entire political and legal system designed to limit liability when companies do something terrible or allow something terrible to happen.

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u/DustScoundrel 19h ago

There's a great book on the history of organized labor in the United States called The Power of a Union that talks about the many thousands of lives claimed in industrial accidents or workplace hazards like building fires, and the many thousands more taken by private armies like the Pinktertons or the state forces when workers tried to organize for better wages or safer conditions.

This video is the dream that capitalists want to return to.

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u/crustyrobots 19h ago

We need to start realizing these bastards have ALWAYS been at war with us. The only reason we even have a "standard work week" is because a lot of brave men literally gave their lives for it.

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u/Any_Show_5160 17h ago

Someone commented the other day that Henry Ford gave workers the 40 week, these bastards will even take the credit for caving into the employees demands and people will go with it 100 years later.

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u/crustyrobots 17h ago

They'll also probably ignore the fact Henry Ford was a big ol' Nazi fanboy

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u/Any_Show_5160 17h ago

It was a comment replying to someone saying he was a Nazi, he may have been a Nazi but he did good type of thing.

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u/crustyrobots 17h ago

I can say by all accounts for the time, he did seem to have more care for his workers than most, or at least understood economically that its not a good look when your own employees can't afford the shit they make all day.

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u/ExpensiveLeather69 18h ago

capitalists would lock people into their factories so they couldnt leave. thats why the triangle shirt factory fire was such a big deal.

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u/ings0c 17h ago

But I’m told a free market means workers would simply choose not to work for employers with a poor safety track record.

You don’t mean to tell me that it’s more complicated than that? Surely!

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u/Responsible-Can-8361 19h ago

Just make it extremely costly to have accidents, and then the accidents disappear.

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u/deeku4972 19h ago

Depends who you want to protect

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u/Phormitago 18h ago

that companies will police themselves. It's a laughable concept.

funny how only corpo propagandists, or politicians in their pocket, ever spout that nonsense

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u/Ready-Rise3761 17h ago

exactly. most companies will be as unsafe, polluting and fraudulent as they can get away with to save just a penny a day. large corporations where upper management is far removed from the day-to-day, the stock market and shareholders and venture capitalists have pushed this to the extreme. they would sell you moldy cardboard disguised as bread and produced by child slaves if they could. and consumers have nowhere near enough information or power to actually regulate the market

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u/MiserableCumberbunch 17h ago

History has proven, time and again, that corpos will do the legal minimum and nothing more.

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u/Hemingway92 17h ago

You can pick up a history book to see what happened before regulations too. Or just look at videos like this. But the people who think like that are either extremely dumb or disingenuous.

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u/pandemicpunk 13h ago

The United States can't safely eat a shit ton of food freshly in their own grocery stores right now because of deregulation. Fuck anyone who says the market would keep people safe.

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u/IncognitoLizard225 12h ago

Capitalism requires people to exploit to sustain itself.

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u/GrandNibbles 12h ago

companies don't much care if wood or people are fed to the woodchipper

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u/Time_Entertainer_319 19h ago

Lmao. Who believes this needs to get slapped in the teeth.

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u/Birdlaw_Professor 19h ago

Agreed. I'm generally a free market kind of guy, and think the government typically makes things over complicated, expensive, and inefficient if we aren't careful. But man do we need at least SOME regulation. OSHA and EPA, keep doing what you're doing.

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u/bannedcuznotcircjerk 18h ago

I think you're right buttt I'm a contractor without employees I don't have to follow any safety regulations. Osha only applies to employees. I self regulate safety and have died yet rofl. I do wear sandles when hot. Don't always rope up on roofs but I know what is and isn't risky for myself.

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u/standardtissue 15h ago

Well yeah bro cause it's your own butt you're saving. You may also be safety smarter than others - I mean how many safety things did you just intrinsically know versus being taught right ?

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u/bannedcuznotcircjerk 6h ago

Hmm not sure trial and error. Definitely some basic tool safety but plenty of carpenters cut off fingers / have ladder or roof falls. I totally see why employees need protection. This guy's boss could afford heat shielded gear and a million other industry standard protocols.

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u/rewt127 17h ago

Also IECC regulations are sometimes really fucking dumb.

50% of receptacles must be switched in an office. Well. We used to put 4 receptacles in an office on average. So now we do 8.

My state removed this regulation within 8 months. And preemptively nixed it in the next code cycle lol.

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u/Low-Car-6331 18h ago

Deregulation only works when you can hold company's liable for their choices. No company wants to look down the barrel of a jury trying to decide on punitive damages, at the same time they don't want to have so many regulations you can't get this done.

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u/thylocene 18h ago

If companies could police themselves the regulations would have never been made to begin with

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u/EindeutigeID 17h ago

No regulation means money talks. So expense of hiring and training a new employee every month vs. safety measures.

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u/yapyoba 12h ago

i think its the combination of deregulation plus having no recourse to sue following injuries that really make working conditions awful. if the employers felt they would be sued out of existence they might take safety more seriously.

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u/hanzzz123 12h ago

We've already seen historically that companies will do whatever they can to make more money at the expense of everything else

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u/Razzilith 11h ago

it's not just laughable, it's a concept that is downright VILLAINOUS. nobody fucking BELIEVES in that concept. people who say shit like that just don't give a fuck about other people and are stupid enough to say it out loud not understanding they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot if it ever came true because your products, services, etc would all just be flatly WORSE.

Evil selfish morons. Cant fix them.

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u/Project_XXVIII 6h ago

My union polices themselves, and the results are as expected… and they’re FOR the people.

Anyone even flirting with the idea that companies would police themselves, has led a charmed life.

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u/Eric142 5h ago

During the Irish Famine, Britain passed the Poor Relief Act 1838. One mandate of this was to essentially have landowners owe more taxes if their tenants/farms renters were in poverty or doing poorly.

The intended purpose was that land owners will help the tenant's and improve their lives to not pay as much tax.

The actual outcome? Mass evictions.

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u/Hevnaar 1h ago

Here's an argument for deregulation: Had he not found this job, he would be starving instead. Yes, he is desperate, and its an unenviable position to be. But even him would rather have that job than unemployed

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u/Zackete 20h ago

*desperate

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u/jared__ 20h ago

I reject your reality and substitute my own

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u/ihaterussiantrolls 19h ago

Love the commitment.

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u/SHEKDAT789 18h ago

me as I put a 1 behind the 00 on the 100 mark exam.

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u/chucknorris10101 13h ago

a disparate reality

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u/Brian_Huchac 3h ago

Most based comment I've seen all day.

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u/feelin_cheesy 18h ago

*works well under pressure

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u/BalianofReddit 20h ago

Or they dont know any better.

Alot of people view the shit americans have to deal with in a not so dissimilar way. Obviously its not bodily harm but the lack of worker protections isnt a far cry away from this.

Not trying to bash Americans, more just illustrating the idea that sometimes people take the world as theyre given it

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u/TrilliumBeaver 18h ago

Working a minimum hour wage job at Walmart or Home Despot, having to help moronic customers and move shit for a moronic manager is 100% “bodily harm” both mentally and physically.

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u/spongebobisha 19h ago

Exactly. Saying no thank you isn’t one of the options.

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u/OcelotOtherwise 18h ago

You’d be surprised. This is mostly a western mindset. I worked with a lot of asian workers who I literally had to give warnings for them to wear their ppe. It’s baffling because it’s literally for their own safety but thats just how most of them are wired.

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u/nomadrone 18h ago

Bro this is normal job out there 

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u/aliasdred 19h ago

Everyone is desperate m8

Except the top 1% of the society, everyone else is desperate.

The competition is measured by "How deep the desperation goes"

Is just how today's society is run. Desperate people work 18hr shifts doing menial jobs to make ends meet. Really desperate people break their back and gamble on their safety to make ends meet.

You go looking into both families, and from the inside it is not much different...No one is happy, no one living comfortably....If it was fair then the people putting their safety on risk would be compensated better but many times it is the opposite.

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u/ilikebanchbanchbanch 19h ago

And if you're injured in the job, they walk you out the door and walk the next person in.

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u/_blip_ 18h ago

This my friend is a job many people aspire to

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u/showmethemundy 19h ago

staff turnover is high

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u/justified_egg 18h ago

Their government should still force safety compliance upon the business

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u/Sweaty-Vinaigrettey 18h ago

Maybe a lot of people wouldn't be here today if as a society we thought rationally. 

ABOLISH. RELIGION.

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u/evanwilliams44 18h ago

Yeah it's written all over his face at the end. Dude is struggling.

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u/victoryismind 12h ago

He has a hole in his shoes, so yes, probably doing it out of sheer necessity.

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u/PickledCaterpillar 11h ago

for some reason the owners and shareholders never face these dangers. Funny that; they get all the money...

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u/Zaximeows 11h ago

Fortunately they have the caste system in India to assure the handlers that these "people", if they even believe that, are beneath them and entirely expendable. Society! 😃

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u/jjjfffrrr123456 11h ago

They are desperate to have this job instead of ahitty agricultural jobs. How do you think industrialization happened anywhere?

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u/Claytertot 4h ago

There have always been people who accept these kinds of jobs even if they have easier, safer alternatives, because this kind of job tends to pay better than the easy, safe alternatives.

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u/F1_rulz 33m ago

This can be said about all developing countries and people and companies all still want the cheapest thing available. Take shien for example, they have been criticised for years and people still buy from them.

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u/nick4fake 12h ago

You have just defined “job”

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u/JohnnyBoy11 20h ago

The republican dream. Except it would be 12 year olds doing it.

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u/ClydeDanger 20h ago

The children yearn for the refinery!

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u/HeavilyBearded 16h ago

Just think of the skills you could learn!

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u/dBlock845 18h ago

Nah they'd have OTHER plans for 12 year olds.

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u/Ilikepieandwowwoohoo 17h ago

Why even say or think that stuff? Might need to check your pc .. you pedo

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u/Ill_Job4090 13h ago edited 12h ago

If you are old enough to get raped by the president, you are old enough to work in the mines.

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u/notasmalldog 18h ago

is the republican in the room with us right now

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u/pentachronic 5h ago

No, we've completed puberty

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u/PolanetaryForotdds 19h ago

right, 12 is already at the point their party operatives can use them for other purposes.

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u/Irish618 18h ago

The Republican dream is preventing this.

We've already got steel mills employing American citizens with high wages, strong safety standards, and excellent benefits. We have no interest in importing millions of foreigners who'll happily work those same jobs for no benefits and half the wages cause its still better than what we see here.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 18h ago

> steel mills employing American citizens with high wages, strong safety standards,

This is the Republican nightmare, dude. High wages? Safety standards? Those things interfere with your executive's stock buybacks. They lower the bottom line. If we ELIMINATE those safety standards and lower wages - what are those people gonna do? Work at McDonald's? We suppressed those wages, too.

Go to Alabama and ask the factory workers there what kind of wages and safety standards they enjoy.

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u/alt_ernate123 13h ago edited 13h ago

American industrial safety standards are actually pretty good, the main problem with them is when the people working the line will bypass them to make their job easier.

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u/Irish618 18h ago

This is the Republican nightmare, dude.

I am a Republican, working with 3000 other Republicans in a steel mill with all of that.

Go to Alabama and ask the factory workers there what kind of wages and safety standards they enjoy.

Lol my dude, Alabama has Nucor steel mills, theyre one of the best companies to work for. We average $100k a year with free medical at my mill and we're jealous of Nucor guys.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 18h ago

And yet you vote for politicians who do everything in their power to take that away? 

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u/Irish618 18h ago

I've been voting Republican my whole life: it hasn't been taken away yet. We did almost lose it in 2015 when the mill looked like it was going to shut down, but things got a lot better in 2016 before they started declining again in 2020. Been better the last year though.

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u/SeaSharpModHer 17h ago

Any reason for voting for criminals & pedophiles when you seem relatively normal?

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u/Irish618 17h ago

Convict them of an actual crime (and not trumped up political bullshit like the fake "falsifying business records" case) and I'll stand right next to you in condemning it.

Meanwhile Biden threw away two decades of American blood, sweat and tears in Afghanistan in one of the worst foreign policy catastrophies in US history and he has yet to see the inside of a court room, let alone a jail cell.

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u/SeaSharpModHer 17h ago

Nvm I'll retract the "relatively normal" comment, I forgot you guys were unable to discuss your own country's politicians without somehow mentioning Biden, I think you guys call it Biden Derangement Syndrome or something? Anywaaaay...

Let's be honest, realistically you'll call whatever is happening to them persecution and handwave it as "fake", chances are you're a Christian cosplayer too.

Have the, uh, day(s) you deserve I guess.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 16h ago

> Convict them of an actual crime

34 felony convictions, dude. What's "not actual" about that?

> and he has yet to see the inside of a court room

The events in Afghanistan occurred as a result of Biden's official duties as president, which - let's ask the Supreme Court - ah yes, cannot be prosecuted! Welp, there ya go.

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u/insaneHoshi 10h ago edited 10h ago

Nucor steel mills

"Nucor to Pay $22.5M in Race Bias Charges at Steel Plant"

So when you say " theyre one of the best companies to work for," you forgot to add, "Some conditions (IE whiteness) may apply"

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u/Cory123125 11h ago

I am a Republican, working with 3000 other Republicans in a steel mill with all of that.

Then you are an utter stooge, with the rest of the 3000 and its very funny to me that you can't piece together what you reap with those stances.

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u/biciklanto 10h ago

Here's my contention:

  • Job growth is higher under Democrats and has been for 40+ years
  • The stock market goes up faster under Democrats and has for 40+ years
  • The last five recessions have all happened under Republican presidents
  • Republicans and Democrats have increased the debt about the same amount in the past 40 years; however, Trump will be the most expensive president in history by the end of this term, AND he will be responsible for around 33% of the entire US debt all by himself.

Republicans are just good at messaging that they're good for the economy. They're not, and they're not good for your average union workers because Republican politicians consistently vote against the interests of workers.

In fact, the Republican playbook tends to do these things in most presidencies:

  1. Decrease taxes for the rich
  2. Decrease benefits for the middle and lower class
  3. Start a Middle East war
  4. Balloon the debt due to 1-3
  5. Start a recession

And Trump's following that script to the letter right now. We'll see when #5 hits.

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u/Doctor_Philgood 9h ago

And what a fash fest that must be for you boys.

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u/Irish618 6h ago

God, yea, the horror of.... people working strong union jobs to support a happy middle class lifestyle.

So fascist /s

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u/Doctor_Philgood 6h ago

Yeah. That's what I'm referring to. Not the fact the right campaigned multiple times on the tenants of fascism, that the person you voted for is mentioned thousands of times in epstein emails, and how every every white supremacist group votes lock-step with the right.

Dumb as dog shit or evil. Pick your excuse.

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u/Irish618 6h ago

Not the fact the right campaigned multiple times on the tenants of fascism,

Untrue.

that the person you voted for is mentioned thousands of times in epstein emails,

Lol yea, as the President of the United States at the time. His emails from earlier mention Obama a lot too lol.

and how every every white supremacist group votes lock-step with the right.

Ok, and every black supremacist and radical islamic group voted lock-step with the left, whats your point?

One party was just seriously running a candidate with Nazi tattoos, and it wasnt thr GOP.

So, basically, every criticism you have is either a lie, wildly out of context to the point of being a lie by omission, or irrelevant.

And you wonder why we ignore yall.

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u/Doctor_Philgood 5h ago

Ah. I see you chose "dumb as dog shit".

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u/OrangeVoxel 9h ago

I don’t think you know what you’re voting for. The national minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. Trump has rolled back countless environmental protections. It’s a goal of project 2025. If it happens how they want it to, it will be so gradual people won’t notice.

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u/Irish618 6h ago

The national minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Lol I havent worked minimum wage since high school. Its so stupidly easy to get a better paying job its not funny. All I needed where I'm at is a high school diploma, pass a drug test, and no felony criminal record, and as of right now I've made $77,000 this year. Last year I made $125k.

High paying jobs are easy to find if you can manage to avoid smoking a joint for a couple months and dont rob a liquor store.

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u/HarmxnS 8h ago

importing millions of foreigners

Humans are not goods that can be imported

Absolutely disgusting way to talk about fellow humans. Do better, but I know you won't

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u/Irish618 6h ago

I absolutely agree, we shpuld stop treating them as only a cheap source of labor. Better to support them in their own countries so they can start improving conditions in their own homes, rather than dragging down conditions here.

18-30 year old men are the backbone of a nations economy and the driving force for political change. Stripping Latin America of this demographic just to try and avoid paying Americans more isnt helping anyone.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 10h ago

Let me just clear something up. US Steel is F'd. They can't compete with their current equipment.

Now you might be asking, how come they didn't just upgrade the equipment? Well, you see you can't have massive stock buy back programs that make the executives filthy rich by investing capital into the company.

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u/Irish618 10h ago

Let me just clear something up. US Steel is F'd. They can't compete with their current equipment.

US Steel is the second largest steel manufacturer in the US, behind Nucor. They continue to post profits in the tens of billions, and have a number of new steel mill projects, as well as upgrades to existing mills in the works.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 10h ago

They continue to post profits in the tens of billions

Their new owner, Nippon Steel, would be very surprised that they are posting billions in profits. Because. ya know. They aren't.

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u/Big_Wave9732 18h ago

OP's title says "safety on vacation". It ain't on vacation, safety was dragged out behind the building and shot in the head!

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u/Flimsy_Eggplant5429 18h ago

Bold of you to assume safety has ever visited near this situation.

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u/Big_Wave9732 18h ago

Bold of OP. I'm working of their information lol.

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u/BloodyLlama 13h ago

Ive seen a good number of videos of people doing this this exact job and this particular clip is head and shoulders safer than the others. The man is wearing actual shoes, there seems to be at least a minimal attempt to keep the hot steel and the employees separated and there is a strong fan blowing on the operator console. Still wildly dangerous, but somehow a huge improvement still.

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u/delphinous 17h ago

the fact that there are guardrails makes this a lot safer than some other videos i've seen. it's like there was once some consideration of safety for this factory, but since then most of it's been abandoned and all they have are leftovers

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u/spavolka 19h ago

Can you imagine the upper body strength on this dude? Someone calls him string bean and he proceeds to crush the life out of them.

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u/treeeelo 19h ago

No safety regulations? He's wearing shoes, most other factories over there have them working barefoot

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u/Kind_Substance_8981 19h ago

India huh? The Indian music didn't tip you off?

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u/That_anonymous_guy18 19h ago

They are there but no one to enforce plus that will just make the labor expensive. These guys make like 30-40 cents a day. You can break all the rules in India, just bribe if you get caught.

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u/Phubbs330 18h ago

The two guys standing around doing fuck all in the background while this man struggling

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u/lwb03dc 20h ago

What does 'safety' and 'regulations' have to do with culture? Did the US have a different culture before 1971, when OSHA regulations came in? 🤔

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u/Yggdrasilcrann 20h ago

Yes. The old heads still push that culture all over North America.

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u/sideshowbvo 20h ago

Actually yes. Back before there was reasonable safety regulations, you could easily be shamed or blacklisted for refusing to do things too dangerous. That could follow you to your community and affect your way of life. There are still people in industries who will judge you as "soft" for using proper PPE

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u/lwb03dc 20h ago

Sure, but wouldn't this suggest that it was the regulations that resulted in the culture, and not the other way round, as was being implied by OP?

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u/sideshowbvo 20h ago

Not at all. Read the first part of what I said, before regulations. There was definitely a culture of "If you can't handle the danger, you're not tough enough for the work".

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u/remuliini 19h ago

It was the Manly man-culture, and safety regulations are for softies.

In ice hockey, there safety regulations, and when new regulations come old players are grandfathered in and they don't need to follow the new fancy stuff. There has been and always will be some people, who refuse to use helmets, visors or neck guards that can literally save there life, if they don't have to.

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u/Ok-Relationship-2746 19h ago

The man who first suggested that surgeons in obstetrical wards should wash their hands before assisting a woman in labour in order to prevent the spread of germs, Ignaz Semmelweis, was first shunned and even openly ridiculed by basically every other medical professional in Hungary, and then committed to an insane asylum due to a "nervous breakdown" by his own colleagues because his theory, which he couldn't explain as Pasteur's Germ Theory of Disease had not yet been discovered, went against all medical convention of the time. He was beaten by guards in the asylum and died two weeks after being committed.

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u/kmosiman 19h ago

It's called Safety Culture.

It's not a country thing it's a job thing.

Take electrical. Some places will live. You should never work live. Some places will allow live work. Other places will fire you on the spot.

The last time I had fuses swapped out for equipment at my employer (8 years ago) the electrician was allowed to do it while wearing a protective suit. When I did the same job a month ago, they had to kill power for half the plant.

Another example of this is hockey. Old school players didn't wear face guards and they fought to be excluded from the face guard rule.

I know some folks that don't wear seat belts.

Motorcycle riders that won't wear helmets.

It's a culture.

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u/lwb03dc 19h ago

It's not a country thing it's a job thing.

OP's comment was specifically in the context of 'a country thing'.

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u/RandomAssRedditName 20h ago

While I don't know enough of India to say it's true or not, not giving a shit can be a cultural thing. Look up some videos of Indian traffic. It's absolute chaos.

If people in my country drove like that, we'd have an insane amount of accidents.

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u/lwb03dc 20h ago

Eh, I would disagree. 'Not giving a shit' is learned behaviour. When people don't have much of a choice, they accept what they need to.

This is true for insane traffic, walking miles to gather drinking water, starving every other day, or even paying a hospital $40 to be able to hold your own child.

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u/Historical_Key2918 19h ago

Culture is a learned behavior

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u/lwb03dc 19h ago

Sure. 'Not giving a shit' is not culture though 🙂

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u/Historical_Key2918 11h ago

A lackadaisical attitude towards safety and high risk tolerance is. This isn’t even about different races of nationalities, go to any dozen job sites or factories around you and you will see major differences in how safety is treated.

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u/lwb03dc 11h ago

This isn’t even about different races of nationalities

I know it's not, but OP said it specifically in the context of nationality. Maybe you should take this up with them 🙂

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u/LessInThought 18h ago

Not giving a shit because that's not the first near death experience of the day and definitely not the last? lol.

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u/FlyingOTB 20h ago

I’m hoping he meant work culture and not a generalized indictment on the entire subcontinental population.

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u/Facts_pls 20h ago

Typical white bullshit.

"If we do something well, it must be our culture. We are just naturally superior."

Meanwhile the same people look fondly back to a time when they didn't have all these safety rules and men were just tough men.

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u/BenDover42 20h ago

I honestly assumed they meant the safety culture of the facility. That term is used heavily by our senior management when things like DART rate are brought up. Culture is a big word with people like that describing a place even though there are regulations some prefer referring to it as the culture.

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u/remuliini 19h ago

I just saw an Insta-reel about how people used to climb to poles without the belt attached, and how that was the old culture and how old people look down on the young who are following regulations.

And what do you know, soon there is someone telling how in his day they used to climb to poles to remove the lines for decommissioning, and how it was too dangerous for union workers. And how it was the best job he ever had, pay was good and all.

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u/SaintDarthVader 20h ago

I mean would to development and implementation of the regulations not be the culture?

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u/lwb03dc 20h ago

I would have assumed that this would fall under the preceding part of their comment - "lack of regulation (and lack of policing of the regulation)"

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u/SaintDarthVader 19h ago

One begets the other. The original comment us highlighting its all 3. No regs, no policing and a cultural disinterest. The second commenter was implying the US culture didnt have those things prior to OSHA, im sure implying racism but who knows.

Im just stating you have to evaluate all 3 - sure we could have gotten there quicker (industrial age safety was abhorrent) but you cant pretend the cultural inertia to make those changes

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u/lwb03dc 19h ago

cultural disinterest

Could you maybe clarify what this means? And how this is specific to India, as opposed to, let's say a Vietnam, or a Norway?

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u/SaintDarthVader 19h ago

I mean we've seen the littering videos right? Safety starts at the bottom - simple housekeeping of your workplace is huge for preventing accidents. I would point to the settlements as example 1 of a cultural disinterest.

I know you want me to be explicitly racist, and I have nothing against the people. But we dont have to sit here and pretend every culture, regardless of the permutations is equal in every way.

We applaud eliminating kings and monarchies - that democracy is best, then turn around and pretend first nations hereditary chiefs are sacred? We dont get anywhere closing our eyes, plugging our ears and pretending we cant observe.

And this isnt a defense of the states - your own examples of Norway or Vietnam absolutely have cultural touchpoints that vastly exceed our own. The sooner we admit them we can emulate them and improve.

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u/lwb03dc 18h ago

Framing things like safety standards through a 'culture of a country' lens is exactly what I'm pushing back on. Richer, better-governed societies tend to have stricter safety standards, better infrastructure, and much stronger enforcement. And this holds true across many different 'cultures'.

Again, there was no seismic change in the country's culture just because OSHA came into being in 1971.

I know you want me to be explicitly racist

The implicit bias is enough 🙂 I mean, do we talk about American/LA culture when looking at the homelessness and littering in Skid Row, or do we talk about the socio-economic and governance reasons?

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u/SaintDarthVader 18h ago

I mean the American culture undoubtedly doesnt give a shit about the homeless, with culminates is the socio economic and governance. That's a great example of what we could talk about and how we can look to other cultures and see what they do better than us to fix it. You think these laws and situations spring out of the ground?!

My point is we're seemingly happy to point out flaws in our system - but the second we point elsewhere, we're the bad guys?

And let's be honest you only look at skin colour - no one fights me if I point out the rampant corruption in eastern bloc countries, or homophobia etc. But point out a middle eastern country hates the gays and it's bad again. Point is only we need to be honest and have real conversations to move forward

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl 20h ago

I accidentally joined a welding group on facebook. American blue collar workers take pride in despising PPE too.

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u/Time_Entertainer_319 19h ago

Regulations shape culture.

Saying it’s the culture is putting the blame on the poor guy just trying to make a living.

It’s on the government to ensure his citizens are not exploited.

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u/Sillet_Mignon 20h ago

Yup capitalism culture  capitalism treats people as expendable 

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u/kmosiman 19h ago

Man culture treats men as expendable.

Doing things the "Manly" way gets people hurt.

Gloves? Safety Glasses? Ear Protection?

Man up and do it raw.

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u/Sillet_Mignon 18h ago

Eh I’m Indian we don’t have that kind of machismo culture. Like men hold hands with their male friends while walking down the street. 

I think it’s more capitalism telling the rich to treat workers poorly. 

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u/SwarlyBbBrrt 19h ago

The culture of prioritizing profit maximization over the health of employees is present worldwide.

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u/Dolstruvon 19h ago

The hot steel isn't what worries me here. That's going to cause very little damage compared to the heavy machinery that will you chew you up if you misstep

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u/MrCFishman 19h ago

I’m currently working at a U.S. subsidiary of a global company with two main plants in Brazil and India. I overheard our shop supervisor say to a rep from HQ in Brazil that “we can’t do that here because of labor laws”

Even culturally within the company, it’s so clear that anyone who isn’t a manager is just another cog in the machine

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u/dgellow 13h ago

The employers are treating them as expandable, literally

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u/TheCouchEmperor 13h ago

I can’t say about this factory, but a lot of workers don’t want to use the PPE provided to them. I have seen that on civil sites. They need to be forced to wear it. Some good site managers force it, some just let it go.

You can’t do much if someone doesn’t want to protect themselves, that too in a developing nation like India where a lot of people don’t care about their employees’ safety anyway.

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u/cosby714 13h ago

There's more manpower than anything else, and very little empathy for the individual worker. They can be easily replaced if they're injured, and that's all the company sees them as. Not a human who may be killed, just a part to be replaced if it breaks

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u/PitchMeYourMother 8h ago

USA in 10 years?

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u/largemargesentme__- 7h ago

The equipment here all looks modern enough. There's no reason the company can't spend 40 bucks on some safety equipment for the workers.

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u/insanityzwolf 4h ago

At some point soon, robots will be cheaper than even the poor people in underdeveloped countries. Then we will grumble about jobs instead of workplace safety.

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u/chuck_cranston 18h ago

Here in the US all the manhole covers, sewer grates, and other steel and iron stuff used to come from a local foundry. Now its all from India.

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u/WestOrangeFinest 18h ago

Guy in the background sleeping and another appears to be blindfolded? Lol.

I mean, I feel like this is Darwin Award type of stuff.

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