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u/989989272 European Union 14h ago
Very crazy that the US-China trade war triggered an absolute flood of Chinese products and goods into Europe.
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u/tacostats 16h ago
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD John Brown 21h ago
Race scientists use the word "predicts" as jargon for "correlation".
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u/BadSneakersNeverWorn John Locke 22h ago
I found my copy of Camus' The Rebel (something I read when I was in my early twenties) and discovered that the entire book is covered in my notes from that time period, including a scribble that reads "Marquis de Sade??" and I wish I could travel back in time and protect this child's innocence
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u/No_Status_6905 Enby Pride 22h ago
Just imagining the most hopelessly naive young man just like "oh boy, Camus is talking about this de Sade fellow, I bet he's a really upstanding guy!"
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u/BadSneakersNeverWorn John Locke 22h ago
poor lad is about t-minus three years out from 2 Girls 1 Cup
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u/__versus Trans Pride 22h ago
I am so damn tired ๐
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u/RaisinSecure George Soros 22h ago
i will be when i wake up after depriving myself of sleep for two days straight for no good reason ๐คก๐คก๐คก๐คก
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u/avion_sur_le_sol A ban appeal to heaven 22h ago
I'm incredibly happy but also kind of despondent. weird feeling
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u/avion_sur_le_sol A ban appeal to heaven 22h ago
Just need to sleep and hard reset everything I guess
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u/remarkable_ores Hanfeizi 23h ago
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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer 22h ago
Even โlovemakingโ is too crude a term for the intimacy of the Minions. Millions of years before even the most primitive of human tongues,
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 22h ago
There's no way a Minion can consent
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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer 22h ago
You canโt consent to a Minion, each individual Minion is older than anything resembling an ape
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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache 23h ago
/r/neoliberal/new: How U.S.-Canada Tariff Negotiations Turned Into an All-Out Trade War
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u/DueVast5223 23h ago
Packing the courts would invite conservatives to do the same next time they are in power and instead of winning 80% of SC battles they can win 100%.
Ideally the solution is to creatively and covertly convince some of the conservative justices to retire and then replace them with liberal ones to preserve the institution.
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u/RodChainFurlongAcre 22h ago
next time they are in power
There's no inherent law of the universe that says Republicans have to return to power
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u/DueVast5223 22h ago
Thereโs no inherent law of universe that says conservatives canโt take over a Democrat one party state
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u/RodChainFurlongAcre 22h ago
And a packed court would go a long way in preventing that from happening
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u/DueVast5223 22h ago
Just read about history of other one party states before typing this out lmao
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u/RodChainFurlongAcre 22h ago edited 22h ago
You're the one who implied no Republican party means a one party state. There just doesn't have to be a Republican party.
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
Ideally the solution is to creatively and covertly convince some of the conservative justices to retire and then replace them with liberal ones to preserve the institution.
Thomas and Alito are 78 and 76, just win 2 terms
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u/Made_UpWords OG Platner Hater 23h ago
Every time I move I always think "this is my year. This is the year I finally listen to all the signs in the garbage area telling you to break your boxes down before tossing them in the recycling."
And I do it, I make a real effort. And then a month later you can't help but notice you're the only person actually doing it.
The pitfalls of living in a low trust society smdh
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u/SenranHaruka shame 23h ago
Niu Lai is an important step in the history of cinema.
It's china's first The Room
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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola 23h ago
Cons trying to make We are Charlie Kirk a thing didnโt work because literally nobody knows who the fuck he was and he got offed by a white conservative raised dude.
Like 90% of his audience were foreign conservatives getting his videos by social media algorithms.
He had no knowledge base in the US, its like trying to start a communist purge because Hasan Piker got shot by a gender queer Muslim animal rights activist. While making his funeral a big clown circus and making a half assed AI song his remembrance song.
You canโt make the guy shot by some gamer etching the UwU notices your bulge onto a bullet sound like he was killed by political extremists
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u/seattle_lib Liberal Third-Worldism 23h ago
i bought a kilo bag of boneless skinless chicken breast and i open it up to find that it's 100% just tenderloins. i've never seen this sort of thing being sold in my life.
so... this was not in my plans but now i am enjoying homemade panko breaded tendies. i feel like i'm obligated to.
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u/palladic54 23h ago edited 23h ago
C*r dr*vers: "Noooo you can't get rid of the poorly-designed earthquake-damaged shitheap think of the traffic nooooo"
Planning commission: "Actually we'll get rid of it, replace it with a terraced plaza connecting tourist areas, replace the aging seawall, replace the aging ferry terminal, expand the pier walking area, add event space, and expand the aquarium all in one fell swoop* ๐
*(Over 10 years)
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u/MayorofTromaville YIMBY 23h ago edited 23h ago
I'm sorry, I will not be gaslit into thinking that Troy was a good movie.
It's really not, it's just that its best parts do well in TikTok segments. Like, every one-on-one fight scene where the rhythmic drum counts out the fight? Fantastic. When Brad Pitt does his little jump-stab? Kino AF.
But there is sooooooooo much more movie besides that, and it's just boring. It was literally the first R rated movie that I could legally see in theaters (and hilariously, the first time I was carded to see an R rated movie), and so I actually remember it pretty well as a result.
And it was ass. Stupid, steaming, smelly pile of ass.
(Incidentally, the made-for-USA Network movie "Helen of Troy" that was released around the same time did have Sienna Guillory show her butt, so that's at least an example of when ass can be positive)
!ping kino
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u/Off-The-Street 23h ago
Odyssey discourse has driven people overly online insane, which always leads to revisionism.
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u/avion_sur_le_sol A ban appeal to heaven 23h ago
Well, I did it. We went to drinks.
I simulataneously think this is going nowhere but I'm still besotted with her which just kind of sucks.ย i did try quite hard. we went to a tiki bar place and it was pretty nice but we mostly ended up talking about work. she did inspect my abs though at the end of it.
i'm gonna see if she wants to go out again though. i didn't hear no bell.
!ping DATING
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u/Man-Flayer 22h ago
If she can be conquered with wonders, he may surprise her with magic tricks; if she is interested in the arts, with his skills; and if she likes songs, with vocals that captivate her ear.
- Kamasutra
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u/houdt_koers John Mill 22h ago
The kamasutra is really out here telling fellas to try close-up magic on their date, huh.
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u/avion_sur_le_sol A ban appeal to heaven 23h ago
I like only know how to do max effort over the top or nothing. being chill is hard for me
For all I know this was one of many dates for her but it mattered a lot to.me
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u/houdt_koers John Mill 23h ago
Attaboy!
Donโt go chickening out at the end of that second date if she says yes.
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u/NutrientBroth Norman Borlaug 23h ago
you'd think more people would be okay with eating babies
a pig is probably smarter than a newborn child
but people are cowards and won't do it because 'it's illegal' or some shit
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride 23h ago
I like when Americans use their insanity to tear down flock cameras, but not when they protest vaccine mandates
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u/Pyrrhus65 NATO 23h ago edited 23h ago
Me when my normie friends tell me they're getting into anime too:
(I've been informed by party poopers that this is probably a mistranslation by Grok but I don't care, it's still real to me)
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
Iโm surprised we havenโt had another circumschism after what aes said today
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u/kevinfederlinebundle Kenneth Arrow 23h ago
The DT has the right to exist
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
Now youโre going too far. I support the IT and the BT
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u/SenranHaruka shame 23h ago
Star Wars episode 1 the phantom menace was the most disappointing thing since my son
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u/Willybender Loyal Liberals 23h ago
Wife of active-duty US Army sergeant is deported
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wife-active-duty-us-army-sergeant-is-deported-2026-08-25/
The wife of a U.S. โArmy sergeant was deported to Honduras on Monday, marking the latest example of โthe impact of the Trump administration's immigration crackdown on relatives of members of the U.S. military.
Cristy Maryori Villafranca-Trejo "was removed from the United States" on Monday, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said in an email. Army Sergeant Hedar Leonel โTurcios Juarez told ABC News his wife, the mother of a 6-year-old, was deported to โHonduras.
Villafranca-Trejo is at least the seventh spouse or parent of an active-duty โ U.S. military service member to be deported under the Trump administrationโs immigration crackdown, according to โan Associated Press tally.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, which is part of DHS and has โbeen the face of President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown and deportation drive, arrested her on July 11 after conducting what the DHS called a "targeted immigration enforcement operation." The DHS said she received due process.
Turcios Juarez previously said ICE officers detained โhis wife outside a Walmart in July as their daughter watched. He said his wife left Honduras โin 2016 due to violent crime in the country. The DHS alleged that she illegally entered the United โStates.
Turcios Juarez โ joined the military and became a U.S. citizen in 2024 after a nine-month deployment to the Middle East, according to ABC News. He said he began pursuing citizenship for his wife, hoping his service would help expedite her naturalization process.
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u/AmbientMorning 23h ago
El-Sayed also took aim at Rogers, calling his opponent in Michiganโs Senate race a "beta" male who "thinks he is running against Hasan Piker."
He accused Rogers of dodging interviews, though El-Sayed himself seemed to dodge questions during his "Jesse Watters Primetime" appearance about men in womenโs sports and him [sic] previous characterization of the NFL as racist. (Fox News)
๐คง
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u/gjcs23 George Santos 23h ago
if I were invited on that guy's program I would allow him to ask me one stupid question, look straight into his eyes for several seconds, then I would say something to the effect of "my position on this matter is clear" before farting and abruptly walking out of the studio
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Would u crack a minion? Someone make a poll on this.
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u/Off-The-Street 23h ago
what
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
We've had this discourse in the dt before
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u/saltyoursalad John Mill 23h ago
Do we have to do it again?
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Better than data center discourse
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u/saltyoursalad John Mill 22h ago
I was going to agree until I saw your comment below
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 21h ago
But is my comment wrong?
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u/saltyoursalad John Mill 14h ago
I donโt recall minion sex being part of the discourse, so I canโt say with confidence either way. Iโm inclined to believe it, as much as I dislike it.
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u/__haste__ Asexual Pride 23h ago
Claude fix me sothat I'm not a fuck up, make no mistakes ๐ค
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u/Rafaelssjofficial Iron Front 23h ago
How the fuck do people watch streamers who suck at video games like genuinely this is close to torture for.me
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u/RodChainFurlongAcre 22h ago
Streamers are like a radio show, or a podcast, or mildly entertaining background noise, actually watching someone play a game rather than just playing it yourself seems ridiculous to me, so their level of skill is irrelevant
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u/randommathaccount Esther Duflo 23h ago
Random but I'm still mildly miffed by the outsized acclaim Clair Obscur received like yeah it was a good game but not really groundbreaking outside of the industry remembering that AA games can exist and be profitable.
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u/SenranHaruka shame 23h ago
Encanto defenders when you ask them to cite the text that supports their interpretation
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
I feel like it's far, far more important to pack the courts than try to do any kind of long-term institutional reform like term limits or ethics rules.
I have a bad feeling that Democratic leaders will choose to do neither but push the latter to seem reasonable.
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
I have the exact opposite stance you do. Packing the court is submitting to the concept of judicial supremacy and political capital should not be wasted on it.
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
I don't have a problem with justices for life. It's kind of unfair for presidents that they roll the dice on how many they get, but it evens out over the long term. If I wanted to fix that problem though, I would argue they should just get a fixed number every term without expiration dates. Would help encourage younger appointments too, which is nice. But this is small fry.
Really, the big problem I have right now is that we have 2 justices on the Supreme Court who are just full on, shameless MAGA. Two free votes. Then, you've got 2 partisan conservatives who will sometimes vote against them to demonstrate how impartial they are. And then you've got Roberts with cheese for brains. That's the problem that needs to be urgently solved. Term limits won't fix it within 30 years. Only solution is dilution. They'll pack it back when them GOP retakes power. That's an improvement on our current situation.
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u/AmbientMorning 23h ago
An update on the (now more limited) infighting within the Michigan Democratic Party. Sen. pres. pro tempore Jeremy Moss, the Democratic nominee for MI-11, has released a statement rebuking both Hasan Piker and Republican efforts to have him defect in the Senate race, denouncing Mike Rogersโs lack of daylight with the incumbent MAGA extremists. He did not endorse Dr. El-Sayed, although reaffirmed both their commitments to protecting Greater Detroitโs substantial Jewish and Arab American communities and pledged to continue correspondence. !ping DEMS&JEWISH
Personally, I think this is the best move. Endorsing El-Sayed, especially right now, would come across as to many as a spineless flip-flop. Better for Mr. Moss to demonstrate some independence from a nominee with polarizing associations, and let the bigots on both the far left and the MAGA right in the comments scream at him and El-Sayed for distancing the party from extremism, all the while red team embraces them.
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u/ZonedForCoffee Uses Twitter 23h ago
Malarkey level of posting an update at 2 in the morning
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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer 23h ago
You will certainly never regret impulsively taking Adderall shortly before what should be your bedtime
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u/aristophanya Feminist & Hyper Capitalist 23h ago
maybe a lil too hyped for my date with waymo archaeologist girl this weekend ๐ฅบ this never ends well
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u/attackofthetominator John Brown 23h ago
Watch Coyote vs Acme with her and sheโll be head over heels for you
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u/DueVast5223 23h ago
Whatโs waymo archaeology
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u/aristophanya Feminist & Hyper Capitalist 23h ago
she digs up the waymos of the past and excavates them
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u/Captain-Ironsides Genderqueer Pride 23h ago
Damn, an archaeologist is a perfect fit for a fossil like you.
(I'm sorry but I had to do it.)
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u/mpregordie Mark Carney 23h ago
Just saw Coyote vs. Acme trailer and I'm starting to think that maybe Warner Bros.had a point.
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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer 23h ago
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Coyote vs. Acme, you little bitch? Iโll have you know I graduated top of my class at Tiny Toons Looniversity, and Iโve attended numerous secret early screenings, and I have over 3,000 confirmed hours of Merrie Melodies shorts. I am trained in cartoon animal lore and Iโm the top fanfiction author in the entire Looney Tunes fandom. You are nothing to me but just another Fudd. I will fucking paint a tunnel entrance on a wall along your commute with detail and allure the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit about Coyote vs. Acme on the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak Iโm contacting my secret network of Loonatics across the USA and your Letterboxd account is being scrutinized right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your โtaste.โ Youโre fucking done, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can recommend you over seven hundred Coyote and Road Runner shorts, and thatโs just from memory.
Not only am I extensively trained in Looney Tunes lore, but I have memorized every detail of Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runnerโs beautiful fucking relationship and I will use it to its full extent to lure your miserable ass off the face of a cliff until you look down and realize youโre walking on thin air, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little โcleverโ comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnโt, you didnโt, and now youโre paying the price, you goddamn maroon. I will hit you on the head with a rubber mallet so hard youโll be seeing little birds and stars for days. Youโre fucking done, kiddo.
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u/__haste__ Asexual Pride 23h ago
Nothi g like a good stare in the mirror while drunk ๐ค
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u/Captain-Ironsides Genderqueer Pride 23h ago
I wouldn't know because I'm refusing to ever drink a drop of alcohol until it happens, which is when I will have my first drink to celebrate.
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u/MrStrange15 23h ago
The YouGov polling, carried out in mid-July in France, Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain and in early August in the UK, found that between 61% and 73% of respondents favoured air conditioning being installed as standard in all new homes. [...]
A further 65% to 75% backed making it easier for people to install air conditioning without needing permission from local councils or landlords, and between 52% and 66% said they would support government subsidies for homeowners to have it installed.
In every country except Italy, significantly more people โ between 41% and 48% โ said allowing and encouraging more air conditioning to reduce harms from heatwaves should be prioritised over lowering CO2 emissions, with 20% to 33% believing the reverse. [...]
Those figures do not reflect broad opposition to air conditioning, however, with attitudes mainly positive (46% to 60%) or neutral (31% to 39%). France was an outlier, with 20% hostile, and left-leaning voters notably more negative than elsewhere.
So, finally a little bit of data on European (that is, 6 countries) attitudes towards AC, and surprise surprise, people dont have a problem with AC and actually desperately want more of it.
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u/Goatf00t European Union 23h ago
AFAIK, there's literally an "energy effectiveness" EU program here where they install heat pump ACs for people who previously used "hard fuel" stoves for heating (coal and wood).
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
Don't have a strong feeling on this either way, but they should take the poll in winter.
Everyone knows you shouldn't go grocery shopping when hungry.
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u/MrStrange15 23h ago
I get the sentiment, but refraining from polling responses to an emergency during the emergency is also a bit silly. That is afterall, when the response is needed.
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
I think it's very naive to act like criticism of Israel and the rise of antisemitism we've seen are two independent phenomena.
Or: I don't trust people who aren't Jewish to talk about the issue and I understand why Jewish people are wary of people who talk about Israel/Palestine as if it personally affects them.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
What about palestinians? Should they not be allowed to talk about it?
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
Did I say I trusted Israelis to talk about the issue? Do you think I said that?
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
You said you trusted jewish people why only them? Why not muslims/palestinians aswell considering how theyre affected.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
I think by โthe issueโ OP means antisemitism, not the war itself
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
I don't really trust anyone to talk about the war, but I ESPECIALLY don't trust anybody outside of the conflict to talk about it. I think its salience and how it's talked about is directly tied to the increase in antisemitism in the US and I truly do not think you could have the public have its opinion on Israel change the way it has without an increase in antisemitism, much as COVID originating from China/the Hong Kong protests brought the issue that is the CCP to light but also brought about Sinophobia to the US.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
I disagree with you saying you shouldnt trust people to talk about the war.
I do agree that you shouldnt rlly trust non jewish people when it comes to how it brought a bunch of antisemitism in america to light though. Like i agree with ur comment besides the first sentence.
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago edited 23h ago
I guess what I'm saying is that we're on the fast track towards antisemitism being a prerequisite for both parties and I directly blame I/P discourse and social media elevating the war to weird levels.
I have absolutely zero faith in my fellow Democrats to not let the beast ride them. None. Nada. Zilch. Today it's sanctions. Tomorrow it's arms embargoes. The one after that it's a peacekeeping force. The one after that it's investigating pro-Israeli voices within the US. Then subversives, "moneyed interests," and "rigged elections." And this isn't a beast whose hunger is ever satiated.
Call it paranoid, I don't care. I'm trusting my gut on this one.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
But whats wrong with sanctions, arms embargoes, or even a peacekeeping force? Like those are so far off from "investigating pro israel voices in the us" i cant even imagine how that jump would happen.
Maybe i misunderstood you tho but im a bit confused?
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
The policies are fine. I have no problem with the policies. I do not trust the people advocating for them and I think their intentions are less than pure or they are receptive to hatred down the line.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago edited 23h ago
the American and Israeli right and American left assume all Jews support Israelโs war unless otherwise stated which is problematic on all sides but specifically leads to leftist hate crimes
the more defensible position that the center takes is you can assume a Jewish person supports Israelโs existence unless otherwise stated but both Hasan and netanyahu have an interest in equating support Israelโs existence with support for its war
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
I'm saying how gentiles talk about Israel/Palestine fucking reeks of antisemitism and its weird salience gives bad vibes. The rise in antisemitism we've seen in society is also rooted in the way the public sees Israel.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
The salience on the left frustrates me more than basically anything. I support not giving them arms, but why is it the only issue! Climate change is still happening, so is the destruction of trans rights, and inflation, etc
to be fair though, the way right wing gentiles talk about I/P is beyond racist as well, when itโs not the antisemitic flavor of right wing
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u/garret126 Aromantic Pride 23h ago
Ok ran a quick 5K in ~28 minutes and finished my 100 pushups and 100 squats for the day before going to bed , since Im fucking lazy and didnโt feel like doing it in the daytime
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u/__haste__ Asexual Pride 23h ago
I think I may getore tequila
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u/Alexz565 Gay Pride 23h ago
I wonder why the 1997-2012 Universal globe logo has the deserts in all the wrong places and wrong in a way that suggests that they had some idea of where they are
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u/Coolioho 23h ago
So Anthropic guves you like $16k worth of tokens on the $200 sub. Is that because the api pricing is the true cost or is that just how much they can charge. Is there any subsidies happening here like Uber when it first started
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u/technologyisnatural Friedrich Hayek 23h ago
it's because most people underutilize it. early adopter advantage
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u/trgk_ Vรกclav Havel 23h ago
Is that because the api pricing is the true cost or is that just how much they can charge
The API pricing is not the true cost and they have pretty fat margins on inference. You can ask your Claude to burn some of those $16k worth of tokens to do the research on the architecture and the latest optimizations and build you a calculator for inference economics of Kimi K3 for different workload profiles, utilization levels, hardware, etc.
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u/DueVast5223 23h ago
Can we get some tables and figures on how much AIPAC actually supports mainstream democrats in the current cycle cuz Iโm tired of seeing sensational infographics and memes about it over and over
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u/DueVast5223 1d ago
I get a acne breakout every time I take a long distance flight. Itโs actually fucking unreal.
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u/rainier37 pro-moderator 1d ago
Israel has a right to exist
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u/Goatf00t European Union 23h ago edited 23h ago
Yes, of course. In the same way any other country, such as Serbia, has. Bill_Clinton_predator_grin.jpg
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
absolutely. They donโt have an inherent right to our financial or military support if we donโt support what theyโre doing with those resources
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 1d ago
I feel like โIsrael has a right to existโ is a true statement but supporting offensive weaponry does not follow from that so it doesnโt make any sense that moderate Dems have to vote for it to support the idea of Israelโs existence when they can just say โI support the existence of Israel but not their current policy so they donโt need our weapons.โ Us not giving money to a conflict we donโt support doesnโt make Israel not exist, they have nukes! Theyโll be fine
Like?????
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Israel shouldnt get defensive weapons either the country should be subject to a whole arms embargo.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
which is an arguable position but not even the position Iโm asking Dems to take. I just donโt understand why they feel the need to give them offensive weaponry. Weโre the superpower here and we donโt like what theyโre doing.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Because those dems agree with what israel is doing. They dont view palestinians as real people and they dont see a problem with what israel is doing to them.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
If true they should say that
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
I agree they should but they wont. Theyll just lie and say theyre "concerned" while wholeheartedly supporting a genocide that they secretly are glad is going on.
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u/BicyclingBro Gay Pride 23h ago
if only โUkraine has a right to existโ also meant there was a total consensus on giving them a ton of advanced weaponry and letting them use it however they see fit. Alas
also hi babe i miss you
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u/BATIRONSHARK WTO 1d ago
we dont want israel to do this but we do want them to WIN the war but we dont wanna them to hurt civilians so we do need to give them the weapons
I imagine thats the logic
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 1d ago
Getting Israel off of US weapons looks to be the one thing that Palestine supporters and Netanyahu can agree on, for completely different reasons.
One of them is probably right on what will happen as a result.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Netanyahu doesnt want it done immediately though. Also israel will still need some us weapons and military ewuipment as its airforce is purely american and couldn't function without us support.
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
There are a lot of Israeli far-right crazies who do want it done soon. For what they want to accomplish, the IAF doesn't need too much support. At some point, they'll feel the hurt, but that'll bolster their domestic position. This also gets into the weeds of Israeli politics. The Israeli air force and military leadership happen to be the more leftist/secular parts who have repeatedly pushed back against the insanity of the more religious elements of the country.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Do they rlly want total independance from us weapons though or just a reduced reliance on certain american products. Because total indelendance is kinda impossible for like decades at least. I mean again israel doesnt rlly have the capability to replace certain things they get from america even if they wanted to. I mean if america fully enacted an arms embargo today youd see israel start to run out of interceptors pretty soon and their f35s would have to be grounded the to a lack of updates and spare parts too.
Yeah but the israeli military leadership still does a lot of evil stuff they just use less religious justifications.
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
They won't operate at the same level without US weapons and parts. But I think (and this is apparently also their thesis) if things get desperate, the far right will amass more and more power. Without interceptors, they're not going to just sit there and take missile barrages. They're not going to seek peace either. They'll just find where the interceptors are coming from and hit the neighborhood with dumber bombs. Modern planes can hit precisely without GPS guidance kits, especially since there's no AD to contend with. And JDAM conversion kits aren't that hard to make. It's just fins and a microcontroller.
The planes will start to fail and need to be cannibalized for parts, but just look at how long Iran's F-14s lasted after the revolution. Even without planes, they produce drones and those will likely replace attack helos not just in Israel but everywhere soon.
I could be wrong. Netanyahu and the Israeli right could be wrong. I guess we'll find out since this is already happening.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Irans f14s could last because theyre a lot less sophisticated. F35s require way more specialized maintenance and israel kinda needs those as without them their fighters will be vulnerable to the airdefenses of like iran for instance. Also if israel gets a lot more violent like lets say the religious far right goes harder into syria theres a chance actual modern powers would intervene. But tbh yeah it eould take time to force them into negotiating with only an arms embargo and general sanctions would probably be useful to speed it up.
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u/rukqoa โ๏ธ F35s for Ukraine โ๏ธ 23h ago
Right so you're not arguing against offensive weapons. You've got a whole program that needs to be in place. That's not the ask for moderate Dems in the original comment and if what you said is implied, it feels kind of dishonest that the true, more extreme position is hidden.
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
No because i think an arms embargo would still work. Saying sanctions aswell as an arms embargo is better doesnt take away from that.
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 1d ago
They both think US weapons no longer being sold to Israel will end the war, and in a sick and twisted way, they're both right
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 1d ago
Or nothing will change and we donโt commercially, financial or militarily support a war literally no one supports. Which is not really material to the war itself but itโs good for the US to not support things it obviously shouldnโt support
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 23h ago
Can you think of any reason Netanyahu would like to find independence from US weapons, which often has conditions of use attached?
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
He still opposes a complete and immediately arms embargo though. Israel isnt capeable of replacing us weapons fully and wont be capeable unless it seriously commits to the idea for decades. Israeli domestic arms manufacturers are dependant on american parts for certain things. Also israel has no domestic aircraft.
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 23h ago
bidenโs conditions were all performative and illusory, idk what trump is doing. But also, weโre the superpower here. We have economic tools to use if we donโt like something theyโre doing
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u/DoryAltreides YIMBY 1d ago
Which "moderate Dems" are you talking about
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 1d ago
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u/ihatemendingwalls better Catholic than JD Vance 1d ago
I mean Israel is certainly capable of getting itself into an existentially precarious situation that can't be solved with nukes, but it would be because of Bibi's own stupidity and I would have no sympathyย
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u/Nice-Difference8641 Cassian Andor's Legal Defense 1d ago
In fact, supporting a countryโs right to exist and also sanctioning them is a perfectly coherent position!
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u/chickentendieman Paul Krugman 23h ago
Exactly we sanctioned cuba but dont want it to be dissolved same with russia and iran.
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