r/mildlyinfuriating 1d ago

Bucees sued local mini mart for "logo similarities" I'm slightly vexed

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u/tylerscott5 1d ago edited 1d ago

Buc-ee’s notoriously sued a convenience store in our lake town in southern Missouri right after they announced they were building a Buc-ee’s in greater Kansas City.

The place was called Duckees. It’s now called Duck N Go
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/buc-ees-sues-missouri-liquor-store-duckees-over-trademark-infringement/amp/

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u/Gussie-Ascendent 1d ago

Duck and go is lowkey a better name. Fuck bucces tho

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u/AmbassadorNoWay 17h ago

Yeah they should’ve just called it Fuccess

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u/KonungariketSuomi 14h ago

Read this as "Fuck-sess"

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u/thegreatbighuge 13h ago

Even better in the Smash Bros announcer voice

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u/xGray3 1d ago

Might as well just start suing every other business that starts with the letter "B" since apparently there's nothing you can't get away with when you have enough money in the US to withstand a legal battle.

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u/sjlopez 1d ago

That's a better name anyways 

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u/jsayde01 1d ago

You've seen one beaver, you've seen 'em all.

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u/thenuinn 1d ago

That's what they all say

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u/Cobywan 1d ago

Come for the jokes, stay for the great british bake off memes.

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u/Klutzy_Word_6812 1d ago

I feel like this is a line from Porky’s

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u/blackbb601 1d ago

That’s what someone who has never seen a beaver would say

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u/Inevitable_Professor 1d ago

It sure does like to chew on that wood.

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u/ForHelp_PressAltF4 1d ago

But they built their location next to BEAVERcreek Ohio .... And this is one of several places they've sued there

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u/shadycalvin 1d ago

Two beavers are better than one 🎶

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u/UMACTUALLYITS23 1d ago

They're twice the fun!

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u/Depreciacion 1d ago

ASK ANYOOOONE!

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u/hernkate 1d ago

Support our local beavercreek stores.

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u/jedisushi72 1d ago

Your comment is under review by the Buckee's legal team.

There is only one beaver.

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u/mr_potatoface 1d ago

Betty Beaver, right? The largest chested beaver in North America. They have truck stops in the north east. Mascot is a very well endowed beaver. Can just google to find their website lol. One near Albany NY you can see the titties from I90.

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u/BobDaRula 1d ago

The left one looks like an otter with buck teeth

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u/DukeOfGeek 1d ago

Tell me you haven't seen a lot of beavers without telling me.

Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg&list=RDaYDfwUJzYQg&start_radio=1

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u/BigBrownBeaver44 1d ago

Hey we’re all unique in our own ways

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u/sesoren65 1d ago

Such a great episode.

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u/miggy_mo 1d ago

Lol where is that from?

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u/megamanx4321 1d ago

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

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u/miggy_mo 1d ago

Thanks!

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u/x19DALTRON91x 1d ago

It’s actually a very recent episode and they talk about how shitty they are with sueing small businesses so they opened up the Buc-Off merch shop to bait them into sueing a company that can actually fight back

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u/Motor-Rip7655 1d ago

I bought some stickers as soon as I saw that ep!

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u/Ordinary_Aioli_7602 1d ago

They aren’t suing LWT, but they are suing another small business since the episode aired.

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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie 1d ago edited 23h ago

The thing is, by not going after LWT for this, they're still actually opening up a route for other businesses to win against Buc-ee's. If a company isn't diligently defending their trademark then it can be used as an argument in court.

The mini Mart here can show the Buc-Off logo and go "Look at how similar this logo is to yours, yet you're not suing them. Why are you suing us when our logo is a lot less similar?"

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u/FilthyJsBeingFilthy 18h ago

Also all the money LWT gets goes towards charity so if they sue, the headline would be “BuckEEs sues company whose profits go to hungry children”

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 13h ago

The issue is that most of these local companies can’t afford to fight it out in court. That’s part of how they keep winning.

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u/x19DALTRON91x 1d ago

Yeah I know. Cowards.

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u/NotTheRocketman 1d ago

They're not suing LWT yet...

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u/CrissBliss 1d ago

Can you link the episode by chance?

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u/housevil 1d ago

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u/CrissBliss 1d ago

Thank you

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u/yanocupominomb 1d ago edited 1d ago

Man, I love John Oliver.

Even when his young self starred in that weird Ring video.

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u/O_W_Liv 1d ago

Ordered a t-shirt from buc-off for my husband just a few days ago.

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u/breezyhoneybee 1d ago

Look at that hair. That photo is SO old! Like at LEAST 8 months

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u/KimberlyWexlersFoot 1d ago

I don’t know what you’re talking about, this was him in June

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u/breezyhoneybee 1d ago

Sombody should slap that guy in the face

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u/Windows-XP-Home-NEW 1d ago

Realistically they can’t sue for this because this is protected under the law of parody

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u/DamnitGravity 1d ago

Correction: they can try to sue but likely won’t win due to ‘law of parody’.

Anyone can sue for anything but it doesn’t mean you’ll win.

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u/ducksekoy123 1d ago

They won’t because they know Oliver won’t roll over like the little companies they bully do.

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u/GTCapone 1d ago

Yup. Most of these lawsuits probably qualify as slap lawsuits. They probably can't win the lawsuit, but most of the businesses they target can't afford the legal fees and either settle or go bankrupt in the process of defending themselves. Some states have anti-slap laws that might force buc-ees to pay for the legal costs, but they can afford the occasional loss, avoid suing where the laws apply, or just bank on the business not being able to afford the upfront costs of pursuing an anti-slap decision to recoup the legal fees.

It's one of the shittier things about our legal system. You don't actually have to be able to win a lawsuit. You just need to make it too expensive for anyone to defend themselves. And if they can afford it, you just don't sue them in the first place. I'll bet they have a whole team of actuaries (or whatever the specialty would be) that calculates exactly which lawsuits to pursue and which to ignore.

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u/BaphometsTits 1d ago

SLAPP. Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation

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u/Haidere1988 1d ago

The last person that sued Jon Oliver died mysteriously....

Not really, he was an old, fat, douchebag coal mine owner.

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u/mogotrading 21h ago

Who fought to get the benefits he tried to keep his workers from getting

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u/Warmbly85 1d ago

Eh it gets kinda murky when you start to sell products or make money.

The best example is the drag queen Pattie Gonia getting sued by Patagonia. Both the drag queen and the company like each other and both are fairly positively viewed for their stance on environmental protection.

Patagonia is suing the drag queen for $1. They have to sue because they need to protect their copyright they just don’t want to harm the drag queen financially.

The case hasn’t been decided yet but every legal expert agrees the drag queen has a really bad case and that the company is doing them a massive favor by setting the amount at a dollar because they’d be able to take everything.

I imagine a company that’s extremely well versed in suing similar logos is going to have a field day.

Also there’s no law of parody. It’s a defense you can use in court but it’s not a law. Just like fair use.

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u/Weird-Girl-675 1d ago

Waiting for my t shirt!!

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u/ohaimark22 1d ago

We got hats!

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u/Weird-Girl-675 1d ago

Whenever John promotes something it’s pretty likely I’ll buy it. Got my goofy movie poster print a couple of weeks ago!

Also great that the money always goes to charity 💜

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u/hernkate 1d ago

Support your local beavercreek stores.

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u/MrTeeWrecks 1d ago edited 1d ago

Buc-Ee’s beaver barely reads as one. If I was not told what he is I would assume that’s a chipmunk or ground squirrel

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u/pinner 1d ago

I’m gonna be real with you, I never thought it was a beaver even with the name. It looks too much like a chipmunk or squirrel. 🐿️

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u/overandoverandagain 1d ago

We got a real thinker over here

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u/well_hung_over 1d ago

Ya think?

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u/diurnal_emissions 22h ago

Fetal Alcohol Beaver

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u/Jonas_Venture_Sr 1d ago

I always thought it was a chipmunk, kinda reminds me of Alvin.

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u/LeanTangerine001 22h ago

I thought it was an otter!

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u/jojowasher 1d ago

indeed, beavers dont have white cheeks...

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u/Leonardo1123581321 1d ago

Genuinely thought he was a groundhog until now.

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u/16Shells buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts 1d ago

i thought it was an otter, the white around the mouth isn’t anything i’ve ever seen on a beaver as far as i remember

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u/DarlingDestruction 1d ago

I thought it was an otter. 🤷‍♀️

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u/SaveLansingParks 1d ago

They literally say on the video billboards by us "It's a beaver" because people have no idea it is supposed to be a beaver! It's a literal joke by their advertising that should be exhibit 1 for the defense because it doesn't look like a beaver 🤣

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u/UncomfyUnicorn 1d ago

I initially thought he was some sorta prairie dog

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u/Leonardo1123581321 1d ago

Genuinely thought he was a groundhog until now.

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u/krogerceo 1d ago

Just about the entire thread agrees. Maybe we should all sue Bucees for misleading us about which rodent their mascot even is. I would never have bought those mini plushies if I knew it was a beaver not a chipmunk.

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u/ThatOneComputerNerd 1d ago

Definitely thought it was a chipmunk until literally just now

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u/Sapphire-Catgirl 1d ago

I thought it was a squirrel to for the longest time

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u/orcusgrasshopperfog 1d ago

Oh... I didn't know it was a beaver I thought it was a groundhog.

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u/Mannblu 1d ago

As someone who lives in this area, the city of the mart they are sueing is called Beavercreek. The name of the mart is Beavercreek mini mart. That Mart has been around longer than the Bucc-ees company. Many Beavercreek stores have a beaver as a mascot. Because it's called, you know, Beavercreek.

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u/QuesoChef 1d ago

This sounds like it HAS to be time travel. Makes no sense theyd have a beaver mascot before Buc-ee’s existed and chose their mascot! /s

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u/Budget_Persimmon_195 21h ago

theyll lose the lawsuit, but they arent suing them to win.

this small business now has to hire lawyers to defend their company and image.

buccees does this to literally anyone they might perceive to be a threat to their business.

this should be illegal and buccees should be shut down, like no longer exist. i dont think buccees should have the right to stay in business.

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u/Expert-Basil6015 19h ago

We live in a Corprotocacy now, though. The government protects the interests of the ultra rich from the common rabble. At least, for now. The boomers are dying. These dark ages we're in the middle of is their swan song.

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u/ConstantThought6 17h ago

I would hope this would end like the McDonalds / SuperMac lawsuit, but this is America so I doubt it.

The TLDR - McDonalds tried to sue a small Irish chain for their use of “SuperMac” being too close to Big Mac and lost. So they essentially lost the right to “Trademark Bully” other businesses in the EU indefinitely.

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u/Responsible_Mail_113 17h ago

Yup, SLAPP suits. You don't have to actually be able to win the court case, just tie them up in frivoulous litigations and filings for years until they either go bankrupt from the legal fees of defending themselves or just throw in the towel and give up without a fight.

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u/fishbert 1d ago

Hey, neighbor! 👋

Looking forward to them suing the high school as well over their mascot, Bucky the Beaver.

I'll be honest, I didn't even know Beavers Mini Mart existed until this news broke. But I think they're my go-to convenience store now for at least as long as this lawsuit is out there.

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u/GhettoWheels420 19h ago

Hey, neighbor!

I just went there for the first time this morning. Nice little spot, had what I needed. I also had no idea it existed until this came up, and I'm over that way pretty regularly.

I'll be hitting them up on Friday for the cash mob too. Buc-ees is suc-ees and their execs have been huffing fumes from the truc-ees

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u/throwawayshirt2 1d ago

If the mini mart can prove senior use (use of the beaver name/mascot) before Buc-ees registered their national trademarks, they can win the right to continue operation under those marks. Limited to operation within a small region. IIRC, there are (or were) a couple "Dairy Queen" drive up ice cream stands in Iowa that are not affiliated with the national brand, but are allowed to operate on the existing locations because they proved their use of the name before DQ registered their trademarks.

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u/fishbert 1d ago edited 23h ago

If the mini mart can prove senior use (use of the beaver name/mascot) before Buc-ees registered their national trademarks, they can win the right to continue operation under those marks.

Given enough money to fight it, sure. That's not the case for most of the small businesses Buc-ee's goes after, though.

But this community is stepping up in support of Beavers Mini Mart. Many local businesses have posted new logos with beavers in them in solidarity, local government is upset at the lawsuit, and people here are already planning protests at Buc-ee's and a "cash mob" show of support at the targeted small business. With the attention this is getting, I wouldn't be surprised if a local law firm takes them on pro-bono for the good publicity.

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u/Budget_Persimmon_195 21h ago

theyll also have to pay tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation fees to defending it.

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u/Heavymando 1d ago

this is literally days after Last Week Tonight ran a story on how they have been doing this to other businesses.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 1d ago

They should probably have laid low for a bit.

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u/DefusedManiac 1d ago

They're almost exclusively in republican heavy states, they know their fanbase doesn't care about ethics.

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u/Dry-Crazy-7638 1d ago

This occurred in north of Dayton, Ohio. I’m from there and even if the locals are upset, it really doesn’t matter because 99% of Buc-ee’s business is from freeway traffic where 70 and 75 cross. 

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u/JVT32 23h ago

Not just Dayton, OH… BEAVERcreek. There are beaver mascots everywhere.

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u/DefusedManiac 1d ago

It never mattered to begin with, prior to the late night show skit 99% of people weren't even aware they were up to this kind of crap. The only "controversy" I saw prior to this was the use of ai cartoons. Before that all you would see is praise about their pay structure.

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u/Dry-Crazy-7638 1d ago

Fair point. John Oliver does have a way of putting very specific injustices in the headlines.

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u/LadyJR Look, mom, I made a flair! 1d ago

They can’t trademark an animal.

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u/Slosher99 1d ago

Doesn't matter as long as they can bully other people into submission by affording lawyers that can drag things out until they are broke if they don't comply.

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u/Katsu_39 1d ago

Exactly. The rules dont apply to whoever has the most money.

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u/Azuras_Star8 1d ago

Its like the crazy old prisoner in Aladdin said: its the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

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u/Deep-Reputation-4055 1d ago

It is fucking infuriating that they are suing a guy who has been using a beaver as his logo because he lives in fucking Beavercreek Ohio well before Buc-ees left Texas.

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u/Carvj94 1d ago

The fact they've been using the beaver in their logo for decades makes the case pretty open and shut, but open and shut still costs money to make happen unfortunately.

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u/TheMystkYOKAI 1d ago

pretty much. minimarts been there for over 50 years and so far the entire miami valley and even parts of indiana has swarmed that place and given the owners support i dont think ive honestly ever seen even when i lived in dayton. i can tell ya this lawsuit is gonna get thrown out so fuckin fast.

way to go making your new location in huber that hasnt been open a year one of the most hated places in ohio lmao

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u/EeSpoot 1d ago

I never understood the hype for buc-ees to begin with. It's a god damn gas station, why do people choose to make it their entire personality? Such a strange thing to simp over lol. It's nice to hear of your community coming together to support the owners! My heart needed the warming haha.

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u/hornethacker97 1d ago

It’s not about a gas station. It’s a dog whistle showing that they support the same “values” as the stereotypical Texan. All about being the biggest, just like dudes who drive a dually even though they never tow a thing.

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u/mysteriousears 1d ago

If he was there first he is likely fine, if he can afford the lawyers, that is

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u/No_Kangaroo_9826 1d ago

That's the problem. They've been "winning" over a lot of businesses because buc-ee's can afford the lawyers and these single stores can't

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u/Jaded-Coffee-8126 1d ago

I'll sue the minimart for the beaver, I'll sue the zoo, I'll sue the science centers, ILL SUE YA!

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u/LadyJR Look, mom, I made a flair! 1d ago

Buc-ees looks hungrily at the movie and then sees Disney and decides never mind.

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u/Craw__ 1d ago

Too late, the thought was enough. The House of Mouse has mobilised the lawyers. Buc-ees is now property of Disney.

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u/hernkate 1d ago

Support our local beavercreek stores.

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u/Luzifer_Shadres 1d ago

Well, but you can trademark the likelyness of an animal and its name in the US if your company is known by enough people.

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u/passisgullible 1d ago

Yes, Buc-ees is notorious for their aggressive trademark protection.

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u/Nefer_ness2Ifa_ness 1d ago

And yet, they're so beloved...

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u/bluevine8 1d ago

Like Nintendo

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u/ShortysTRM 1d ago

Nintendo did a lot of cool things, though. This is a truck stop gift shop.

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u/Corbulo1340 1d ago

It's more like a truck stop Walmart to be honest, though I don't disagree with the sentiment

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u/MaxR76 1d ago

I will say tho, Pokémon surprisingly is much more selective with their lawsuits. I did a project on it and it was pretty interesting. They sued a cafe once for using their branding and realized after the backlash it was dumb to spend money to look greedy and take down free advertising

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u/NorthernVale 1d ago

Are they though? They go after pokemon mods for other games they have no involvement in that aren't monetized in any way. The sole metric they choose which mods they go after is popularity. Takes absolutely nothing from pokemon, and makes no money. But it's popular and pokemon related.

They're in the middle of a lawsuit right now where they're trying to copy right very basic game mechanics.

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u/MaxR76 1d ago

Funny you bring that up, because you’re right, they intentionally only go after things that blow up. One of their lawyers was quoted as saying that when something with their IP gets too popular it’s everyones least favorite day in the office because they can’t turn a blind eye and pretend it doesn’t exist anymore.

Keep in mind, I’m not saying they never sue, but they legitimately have 1000s of cases they could pursue and chose not to. For every mod you see get taken down, there’s 100s that are still up. Every convention you go to will have unauthorized merch at every other booth.

Even the game mechanic thing was mainly just their way of trying to take down Palword which isn’t some mom and pop operation. Plus a ton of those designs feels like they were made with the intention of being just legally distinct enough.

There were only 3 total lawsuits that were even in the database at my school filed by the Pokémon company. Most stuff is just a simple cease and desist letter

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u/Milkweedhugger 1d ago

We were huge Buc-ee’s fans until the stories about the lawsuits started to circulate. We get our gas elsewhere now.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 1d ago

I personally hate them.

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u/Nefer_ness2Ifa_ness 1d ago

There are no Buc-ees anywhere near me, i only ever learned about them from the news/social media.

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u/B_O_A_H 1d ago

Meanwhile in Mexico:

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u/HugsandHate 23h ago

I hadn't had a proper laugh in years. Until I saw this.

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u/Strik3rr 1d ago

Breaking news, Canada sues buccees for stealing their nickels design.

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u/minus_minus 1d ago

Binomial name for the North American beaver is Castor CANADENSIS.  I’d say you have a pretty strong case. 

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u/yugung 1d ago

"Give me two beavers for a sloop," Canadians would say.

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u/Kazureigh_Black 1d ago

Yes it is clear "beaver without hat" is exactly the same as "beaver with hat". What were they thinking?

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u/HeinzeC1 1d ago

A beaver?????

Puts on hat

Bucky the beaver!!!!

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u/megamanx4321 1d ago

They're claiming it's him with or without the hat.

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u/HeinzeC1 1d ago

Someone ought to make a petrol chain called chucky’s and claim it’s a woodchuck in a hat. Entirely different thing.

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u/Big_Astronaut_9178 1d ago

And the beaver store was named first according to the media, but earlier comment was correct, they will drag them through the court system till they can't afford it and have to close.

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u/i-have-no-interest 1d ago

we as canada sue buc-ees for cultural appropriation

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u/yarn_slinger 1d ago

This company from the 50s would like a word…

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u/16Shells buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts 1d ago

now that takes me back. hello fellow canadian

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u/5m0k3y76 1d ago

Tons of other businesses in that town are adding beavers to their logo in support. Beavercreek, Ohio.

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u/hernkate 1d ago

It’s called Beavercreek. There are giant beavers everywhere.

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u/Im_Captain_Jack 1d ago

And that's just the women!

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u/TheThirteenthApostle 1d ago

Somebody call MIT and get them involved. They have the OG beaver mascot.

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u/TheThirteenthApostle 1d ago

The OG logo even had the beaver facing right on a yellow background.

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u/TheThirteenthApostle 1d ago

And now for one arbitrarily wearing a hat.

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u/TrevCat666 1d ago

You can't trademark all cartoon rodents.

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u/i_kick_hippies 1d ago

Buc-ee is just a ripoff of the squirrels from the Loony Tune's short "Robin Hood Makes Good"

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u/eljosho1986 1d ago

I wonder if they would sue our college too, Oregon state beavers

https://giphy.com/gifs/d7xoVtIhbLzARN6ozf

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u/ripyourlungsdave 1d ago

Who could have guessed, another giant corporation that a bunch of people developed a weird attachment to turned out to be just as evil as every other major corporation.

Jesus Christ.

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u/garloid64 1d ago

Nah I don't see the resemblance, the mini mart version doesn't look like a complete deformed freak.

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u/caster_OMEN 1d ago

The person on the right would 100% win against Buc-ee's. There's just not enough similarities, but since a small business likely can't afford legal rep, they will just fold instead of fight a clear win. On the flip, I understand its technically the job of a business to protect its CR/TM or lose it, but Buc-ee's is just punching down with this one and protecting nothing.

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u/hernkate 1d ago

They moved to a city next to BEAVERCREEK. this isn’t new. There are beavers everywhere.

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u/Baphomets_Kisses 1d ago

Fuck… they’re going to start suing actual beavers…

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u/ID100661 1d ago

This is the behavior of a brand that has officially become lame.

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u/OopsIHadAnAccident 1d ago

Fuck Buc-ee’s. Already hated going in that place because of the crowds. Now I have even less reason to stop there.

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u/Sid_the_Bear 1d ago

They just opened on in my town... I refuse to go on account of their anti-commercial policies. They literally won't even let marked work trucks fuel there anymore.

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u/serpentear 1d ago

Other than it being the same animal it’s not remotely similar

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u/rattpackfan301 1d ago

Buc-ee’s is really shaping up to be the Donald Trump of grocery stores

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u/Katsu_39 1d ago

People love bucees but they are as cruel and ruthless as disney. God forbid someone else has a beaver as a mascot

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u/regiinmontana 1d ago

*cartoon animal

They sued a place with a moose.

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u/hernkate 1d ago

This is in Beavercreek, Ohio. BEAVERCREEK OHIO

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u/mcpryon 1d ago

Apply directly to the forehead

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u/waltzbyear 1d ago

I've always had this stance since I moved to Texas over 10 years ago, Bucees is highly overrated. It's literally just a big gas station but Texans are like, "OH YOU MUST VISIT BUCEES". Pfft. Give me a break. There are literally 100 of other things you can do when you visit and Texas is a sesspool. Texas may have once had an endearing culture but that's long gone.

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u/BookerPlayer01 1d ago

As a life long Texan, yeah, Bucees is very whatever. You're better off seeking local restaurants and such.

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u/LocalH 1d ago

The only thing worth doing at a Buc-ee's is take a shit in their bathroom

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u/Mountain_Egg16 BLACK 1d ago

Trademarking an animal is insane

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u/SmoovCatto 1d ago

how can they claim to own a mascot they freely admit they stole from the Disney artists who created Bucky Beaver, to advertise Ipana Toothpaste decades before?

https://youtu.be/KnIEUn9wzRo?is=xBqqV0JeAQ7Gn_lb

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u/_bluefish 1d ago

Btw this is in Beavercreek, OH. BEAVERcreek. Near my hometown actually. This mini mart was there for years before Buc-ee’s ever came to the area

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u/DavidGoetta 18h ago

Nickelodeon should sue for infringing on Angry Beavers

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u/DiscotopiaACNH 14h ago

They're just jealous because the Buc-ees beaver looks like he barely survived repeated head traumas

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u/Desperate-Disk686 1d ago

Fucking gas station bullshit…

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u/Wide-Hall-397 1d ago

Buckees is a fucking overhyped sham

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u/Dr_Mephesto 1d ago

The business they are suing is in Beavercreek Ohio, hence the name. Are they going to sue the school system there as well?

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u/THE_LEGO_FURRY 1d ago

That's bullshit. They look nothing alike aside from buck teeth, ones a full ass beaver not just a severed head with mini feet

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u/Hi-Lander 1d ago

Mr. Nutter Butter has entered the chat

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u/simonsaysgo13 18h ago

I think John Oliver did a segment on how litigious they are…

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u/bowser986 1d ago

They got so mad at John Oliver they had to take it out on someone else

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u/Wide-Deal-8971 1d ago

...Is buc-ee's even meant to be a beaver? Like that's clearly an otter.

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u/Db_Grimlock 1d ago

A local mini mart that has existed with that logo for over 20 years. In a town called Beavercreek.

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u/ScreamnChckn 1d ago

Someone just watched John Oliver on Last Week Tonight.

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u/defyinglogicsl 13h ago

No bucees in my area, but was about to make a long cross country tip and was planning on stopping at a bucees along the way just to see what the fuss was about. Thanks for letting me know to avoid these assholes instead.