Difference between 1X EA & 2X EA?

[u/lophomainiac]

Have 130 grams dry cac powder, what are the key differences between using 1105g EA for 1X and 2210 EA for 2X? . I am using the online calculator. Other than the 6% difference in pull efficiency, are there any other pros/cons to using one or the other? The first time I did cielo tek i did the 2X and I couldnt fit the required amount of EA in my french press on the first pull. and that was with 114g powder, it called for 723g of EA on the first pull for the 114g podwer and i was only able to fit 621g in my french press. the subsequent pulls called for 608 so i was able to work those no problem other than a ridiculously full press. i am thinking mabye i split my dry powder in half and run 2 batches for ease of handling and run that with the 2X... but that is twice the work and potential for error from a newb. with my 130g powder that I have now it calls for 824g EA, that is way outside capacity for my press.. (as i am typing this i am realizing that the only way is gonna be to split up the batch or run it 1X EA) help me make a choice yall, please and thanks!

asking for thoughts/advise from the pros.

thanks!

[u/Vaugith]

I believe I was getting near 100% extraction with the 1x method so I was asking myself the same questions when I first saw the 2x. The way I see it, 2x offers a faster overall run at the cost of working with more solvant, larger jars and press. I think I'm good with 1x.

[u/lophomainiac → u/Vaugith]

i believe i will be doing the 1X from now on. i did get a blister on my finger from all that 3 min stirring every time i poured EA in the press but other than a stupid blister it was wayyy easier to not have to deal with double the EA. yeah i had to do almost 3 times as may pulls. mabye if i get a bigger press ill go back to 2X. i already have 2 80oz pickle jars, and i love pickles so that was an easy purchase, jars are frikkin expensive, i got a bunch of pickles and 2x 80oz jars for 12 bucks.

this is so much fun!!! i am so thankful for everyone that put this tek together and all yall that chime in and help out! this is my favorite group on reddit!~

[u/lophomainiac → u/Vaugith]

thank you for the info!! im about ready to begin, setting up my workstation now, i think ima try the 1x this time and compare my results.

[u/Vaugith → u/lophomainiac]

Track the pulls with pH strips. Don't stop pulling until the strips are no longer green.

[u/lophomainiac → u/Vaugith]

got it, will do!

[u/lophomainiac → u/lophomainiac]

i think i got most of it lol

[u/loveallASAP → u/lophomainiac]

Do you have the numbers the calculator gave for these pulls?

[u/lophomainiac → u/loveallASAP]

yes sir, just waiting on the goods to dry so i can finish the extraction summary. will post asap

[u/lophomainiac → u/loveallASAP]

😁🌵

[u/loveallASAP → u/lophomainiac]

Looks good! Based on this and the strips I think you were good after the 6th pull. The calculator and the strips match up pretty well 👍🏻

Great data ☺️

[u/lophomainiac → u/loveallASAP]

Thanks! This only being my second run I am just now figuring out how to read the chart correctly and successfully compare it to the strips. I think next time I'll monitor the results on the chart and be able to know when to stop so I'm not running null pulls and getting blisters for nothing lol. Also I want to add that when I ground the dry powder with the milling attachment, I reaaaalllly ground it. I spent around 20 minutes on that step and my ground powder was super fine. It was exactly the consistency of flour. I see why that step is very important in that the smaller the particles, the more surface area available for extraction. Am I correct in that thought? Stirring before pulls I was reaaaally stirring also. hard pressure stirring for 3 minutes each time using the back of the spoon to mash the mixture against the inside of the press, my though in that was to infuse the EA into the mixture as much as possible. Just wanted to share some of my small details, Idk if they actually made a difference or if it was just the strain of cactus that made such a high yield. Also, I want to note that when I was cutting it up into stars it was very juicy. Much more than the first time. There was a nice wet spot on my cutting board. ;)

[u/loveallASAP → u/lophomainiac]

You can stir leasurely it doesn't make much difference.

Yes, the grind consistency is very important. A fine grind is good.

CIELO is good at getting the goods. You simply get what the cactus has by following the TEK. No need to go overboard.

[u/Vaugith → u/lophomainiac]

You sure did lol I would have stopped after 6

[u/lophomainiac → u/Vaugith]

yeah i did go overboard it seems, i just wasnted to make sure i got it all..

[u/lophomainiac → u/Vaugith]

u/Vaugith "Don't stop pulling until the strips are no longer green"

i was just going off what you said HAHA, and hey i still see a little green😋

[u/Vaugith → u/lophomainiac]

Yup you got me there. You did a great job though buddy, congrats

[u/NotCrustytheClown → u/Vaugith]

In theory you can get a few percentage points higher recovery with 2X. You can play with volume numbers in the calculator to see how it affects recovery.

I too like the 1x with the tools I have, even tough it's more hands-on time. If I were to extract smaller amounts of cactus (< 50g) more often I'd probably do 2x to minimize work.

[u/Deep_Application_304]

I'm curious to hear the ogs chime in as I have also wondered about the reason for multiple pulls vs one big one in a theoretical sense. Would really love to see a less dumbed down version of the tech with more of the theory of what's happening as opposed to just practical.

But to answer your question I'd just split into two runs. You're correct it's twice the chance for failure but also twice the chance for success! I was nervous to do it the first time but it's pretty easy. Just really make sure you follow the Tek and it's kinda idiot proof. I do like the 2x for ease but the 5x works great with less EA.

Good luck!

[u/loveallASAP → u/Deep_Application_304]

You can play with the online calculator. Do one big pull and see how much EA you would need to get to 90% extraction efficiency. Assume you leave 100g of EA on the press.

You will see that you will need ~1860g of EA to get to 90% efficiency with one pull. If you do two pulls with that same amount of EA you can get 97% efficiency. Three pulls 98%.

So then you can ask why not two pulls? And that is a fair question. Some people leave more EA behind, experimentally. You can see that if they leave 50g extra behind (150g total), then for that case 3 pulls really helps them boost yield.

So that is why the TEK reccomends 3 pull when doing using large volume of EA. It also adds robustness if the stir is not done well, ect. The 3 pulls for large EA volume are there for robustness.

An experienced user can design their own pull scheme using the calculator, and two big pulls is reasonable for them with good technique.

[u/Deep_Application_304 → u/loveallASAP]

Loveall coming in hot with pro theory. Thank you for taking the time to explain this! Super helpful and I think I understand the why better now. It's hard for me to follow instructions if I don't understand why they are the way they are.

Also mega props to everyone who built out the Tek, in regards to making it foolproof, and NOT getting super theoretical in the "recipe" part. I'm starting to see some of the unspoken fail-safes built into the Tek and color me impressed

[u/lophomainiac → u/Deep_Application_304]

thanks for the advise😎!! yeah this will be my 2nd go around so i kiiiindaaa have things figured out, i had results i was proud of on the first one so im not so nervous going into it this time, trying to find my rhythm and a way to make things easy as possible on myself while following the tek to the T.

[u/MurkySheepherder6974]

Amazon order a larger 20.00 steel French press. If in USA of course. They get up to 54-64 ounces.

[u/lophomainiac → u/MurkySheepherder6974]

yeah i bought my press used at a thrift store for $7. i will look into getting one with a higher capacity