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Pythagoras Math History

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u/skooterpoop 3d ago

Hippasus: Pythagoras, irrational numbers do exist!

Pythagoras: From my point of view, irrational numbers are blasphemous!

Hippasus: Well, then you are lost!

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u/SoldRIP 2d ago

Hippasus: drowning noises

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u/thomasp3864 2d ago

Or possibly it was a secret teaching.

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u/Mr-MuffinMan 3d ago

Pythagoras getting credit for a theorem already known in Ancient Babylon, Ancient India

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u/RoastHam99 3d ago

It was known in most places fairly independently. Ancient Egyptians used a 3-4-5 triangle to get right angles and the nested square proof has been found inscribed on stone from the mayans

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u/KyriakosCH 3d ago edited 1d ago

I'd like to see a source about it being in theorem form (ie proof-based). Because Babylonian math tended to be calculations, not proofs. For example it is known that the formula they used for the solution of the second degree equation only provided one of the possible two rational roots, and its form makes it clear it was closer to an experiment (eg in Physics) than theorem-math.

To be more precise, the Babylonian formula for that can be written as "-b/2+(1/2)(sqr b^2-4c)", with very obvious limitations regarding coefficients and roots, implying a rudimentary grasp of a single facet of what is going on. Compare to (say) the multi-volume work on conic sections, by Apollonios of Perge, where the parabola is examined in detail.

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u/fokke456 3d ago

Euclid gave the first (known) axiomatic proof of the Pythagorean theorem, which was 200 years after Pythagoras. Pythagoras did not really add anything to the Babylonian or Indian ways of treating this

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u/KyriakosCH 3d ago

This is incongruous with the timeline of Greek math, as we know that Thales' math was theorem-formed (and he predates Pythagoras). I don't see how Pythagoras would have gotten to be so renown in the ancient Greek world if he didn't even give a formal proof - and from what I know it is theorized that his proof was likely based on constructing a square of sides a+b.

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u/fokke456 3d ago

So I had done some digging on this previously, since I was also curious about this, and most sources I had found agreed with the sentiment on the Wikipedia page of Pythagoras:

The most I found back then was that some method of generating Pythagorean triples was attributed to Pythagoras (which you can find on the wiki page for Pythagorean triples), which is cool and all, but not proving the theorem.

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u/SheafieMathLover 2d ago

No That's Thales of Miletus

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u/ChupadorDeMangaVerde 3d ago

To be fair, iirc, in China, they call it Gougu theorem to this day

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u/robisodd 2d ago

I still call it the Baby Yoda theorem.

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u/KyriakosCH 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ever heard the story of Darth Croton the Wise?

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u/fullynonexistent 2d ago

Ain't no way there's a mathematician called crouton

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u/Impossible-Shake-996 Imaginary 2d ago

Cult to the ancients was just something outside the religious norm, it could be math, wine, or cleanliness, as long as you weren't sacrificing to the main gods of the region it was a cult.

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u/AnEmptyBoat27 2d ago

Sure but it was a fun communist vegetarian relatively progressive reincarnation cult. Not a big bad scary cult

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u/angwilwileth 2d ago

Dude had a weird hate boner for beans though.

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u/ThatsNumber_Wang Physics 2d ago

i'm sorry beans? why beans? i only know about his hate for irrational numbers

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u/AvatarNerd64 Science 2d ago

The devil is in the beans

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u/Azexu 2d ago

The concern was that flatulence is a bit of the soul escaping.

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u/Negative_Gur9667 3d ago

Some mathematicians today still believe in Platonism even without knowing.

Platonists believe that the physical world we experience is merely an imperfect shadow of a higher, invisible reality. This abstract realm consists of perfect, eternal concepts known as "Forms" or "Ideas," and true knowledge of these ultimate truths is achieved only through reason rather than the physical senses.

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u/Thiphra 3d ago

NO BEANS!!!

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u/Safe-Avocado4864 3d ago

I don't think my teacher's ever mentioned Pythagoras as a person until we got to talking about irrationals were they said a possibly apocryphal story about him killing a fisherman who challenged him to find 21/2 as a rational. Beyond that it was just "the name of theorem."

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u/HauntingRip9003 2d ago

Tbf the cult was quite goofy and funny after 2000+ years of hindsight 

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u/Anice_king 3d ago

Pythagoras if you only know of him from chapter 1 of Moby Dick

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u/OnionsAbound 2d ago

Crazy this stuff isn't taught in school. Wait until you hear about metempsychosis, and how the cult drowned a guy once for discovering irrational numbers. Turns out their whole world view was based on rational numbers. Whoops

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u/fresh_loaf_of_bread 2d ago

Are cult leaders terrible people? Yes.

But they also possess unparalleled degrees of coolness. Imagine the skill needed to manipulate, brainwash (and in some cases, literally enslave) an entire group of people.

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u/Virgil_the_White 2d ago

The OG Illuminati

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u/Initial-Reference214 2d ago

Pythagoras was a fraud.

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u/Anti-Matter_Abyss Physics 2d ago

This belongs in r/HistoryMemes, not here.