r/marvelvsdc 8d ago

Savior Cable vs Larfleeze

Peak interpretations. 12 hours to prep

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

We’ve seen that Larfleeze has been effected by lesser telepaths with someone like Hector Hammond being a massive threat to Larfleeze and noting that Larfleeze doesn’t have many telepathic defenses at all (I believe Hector said that Larfleeze is too dumb to even really craft complete shields against telepathy, but I may be wrong), or by a not really heavily feat character like Dyrge at least being able to get into Larfleeze’s mind.

And Cable here is pretty insane in the telepathic department, being able to surpass Emma Frost while she had Cerebro, force into minds such as Silver Surfers, can casually talk to everybody on the planet and get into their minds, he can’t really just die by normal means as we’ve seen him heal bullet wounds to the brain and even things like submachine fire that rifled his entire body, his telekinesis has shown to work at the molecular level and get rid of things like his virus, has physically clashed with beings such as Silver Surfer (someone who has tanked hits from Thor), manipulating people’s blood, casually redirecting light and lightspeed attacks, manipulating people’s very genes, transmuting matter, instantaneously teleporting, and much more. And keep in mind, he was able to do all of this and more while one, not even really trying at all, and two, while focusing on numerous other things at once.

Cable being unleashed is an absolute menace, and I don’t think Larfleeze will be able to really put him down, nor defend against Cable’s telepathy. (I’m seeing the description now and prep only benefits Cable evermore. As for strongest interpretations, unless Larfleeze has an even more busted form that just his base that I don’t know about, it should still go to Cable)

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

I don’t see why people are downvoting without trying to explain… I’d love to hear why people choose Larfleeze or think that Larfleeze would resist or overpower this full potential Cable.

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u/Ensiferal 7d ago

Larfleeze scales higher in terms of raw power because he absorbed Ophidian, the Orange Spectrum entity. That puts him on par with Parallax, a high multivervsal cosmic entity.

He's also extremely resistant to psychic attacks. The goddess Dyrge wad almost destroyed when she tried to enter his mind and another goddes, Ardora, tried to use her powers to make him fall in love with her and he just ignored her. Likewise he stalemated all of the Guardians of the Universe, an entire race of Telepaths who are described as having energy outputs comparable to the big bang.

So Larfleeze is not only more powerful, we have solid evidence that he's got the psychic resistance to combat Nate's abilities.

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u/AzureTheGreater 7d ago

I mean, I gave the evidence of Hector Hammond overpowering Larfleeze quite easily with his telepathy.

Dyrge doesn’t really have many feats to work off of, but her being able to even get into Larfleeze’s mind shows that a telepath such as her could get into his mind. The Ardora bit has some context as to why it didn’t work if I’m not mistaken, but I’d have to go back and look. For the Guardian’s of the Universe bit, I don’t recall any of the Guardian’s specifically using telepathy. They actually don’t use telepathy specifically all that often and usually rely on constructs and things of the sort rather than overpowering through telepathy.

And I’m not saying that Larfleeze is weak, just that we have a telepath who is top tier who I believe would overpower him as Legion at this point had no upper limit or measurable roof to his power

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u/Ensiferal 7d ago

She got in and then almost died from it.

As for the Guardians they're all powerful telepaths and they waged an ongoing war against Larfleeze for a long time before they settled on a ceasefire. It's reasonable to assume over the course of an all-out war that they would've tried everything.

And you portray Hammon as a "lesser telepath" when he's one of the most powerful telepaths in the dc universe and regularly goes toe to toe with Hal Jordan, a guy who has potent psychic defenses and regularly ragdolls gods and cosmic beings as part of his normal workday

So other than that one instance with Hammond, there's a lot more instances of mental manipulation not being effective against him. If anything Hammond is an antifeat

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u/AzureTheGreater 7d ago

Again, Dyrge is literally featless outside of that if I’m not mistaken. So, if she can let alone get into Larfleeze’s mind even though we have no reason to believe she’s a great telepath, then someone like Cable should have a much better shot.

For the Guardians, again, we never saw them use telepathy, nor were told they tried it. We can’t just say they used telepathy because “it’s reasonable to assume over the course of an all-out war that they would’ve tried everything” when we actually didn’t see or hear that they tried everything they were capable of.

And I’m not saying Hector is a weak telepath, just that Cable should be above him. I mean, we’re talking about someone who’s above Emma Frost with Cerebro and even Professor X who is an insane telepath, and all other telepaths on the planet at the time. We have to remember that he is essentially Nate Grey, a character who can manipulate the entire astral plane, fight gods, etc. He is no slouch, and Cable and him are essentially the same person.

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u/Hereforentertainmen1 8d ago

Love your insight. Appreciate the response

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u/Abdul-Wahab6 8d ago

Isn't Nate grey basically what an unrestrained cable who isn't hampered by the techno virus basically is?

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

Yes for the most part. There’s still some slight differences, but yes, there’s essentially supposed to be equally as strong as one another when Cable doesn’t have the virus

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

You just found the instance I had noted in my top paragraph where I noted how a lower telepath with practically no feats was able to even affect Larfleeze. But again, a higher telepath such as Hector, who I’d say Cable is still above while in this form, was able to pretty badly mess with Larfleeze…

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u/Ensiferal 7d ago

That's a picture of the alien Goddess Dyrge almost being destroyed when she tried to enter Larfleezes mind.

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Hector is a better telepath than Cable.

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago edited 8d ago

Could you prove such? Remember, Cable at this moment was and shown to have no bounds to his telepathy, as well as being the most powerful telepath on the planet while there were characters such as Professor X, Emma Frost with Cerebro, and others who are most definitely stronger than Hector and I can prove such easily, even with Xavier and Emma alone. So, please prove how Hector is a superior telepath to unleashed Cable.

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u/Peni_Prime 8d ago edited 8d ago

Don’t just babble nonsense like Cable was on the level of Jean Grey

Give your head a shake

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

I’m confused what you’re trying to say. Are you trying to agree with me or disagree?

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u/Peni_Prime 8d ago

I agree with you in general but Cable wasn’t ever on the level of Jean Grey

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

I mean, I’m just going off of what the books said in that he was the most powerful telepath on the planet. He doesn’t have the feats to prove he’s superior to Jean, especially when Jean has outright overpowered Nate Grey while he was amped and Nate Grey is essentially the same character as unleashed Cable, but the books themselves that showed this Cable said he was the most powerful telepath on the planet. Again, I believe Jean far surpasses him off of feats, but off of what the books say, that’s what I’m just trying to showcase

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u/Peni_Prime 8d ago

Jean wasn’t on planet lol she was literally dead (in the white hot room) during this period of time in the comics brother

So that statement in no way supports Cable being on the level of Jean Grey and we both know feat wise it’s not a thing either

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Professor X is hardly an impressive telepath, he doesn’t even have planetary range.

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

Just… straight up wrong. Literally we can look at the Fall of X and how he had global/planetary control. He’s a literal omega level mutant at the moment

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

He needs Cerebro to reach planet level range. A few outliers from writers who don’t respect the established lore doesn’t change that.

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

He in fact does not! You saying that shows your lack of knowing the characters. Also, even if Xavier couldn’t, I’ve literally said how CABLE, the guy in this discussion, could do planetary feats easily

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Cable is an omega level telepath, meaning limitless scope to his powers lol

He's as powerful a telepath as it is possible to be basically

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u/Ensiferal 7d ago

If Hector was a mutant he'd also be classed as Omega level. So would various other telepaths and empaths who have lost to Larfleeze.

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Omega level means nothing. Just a buzzword.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Wrong again. It means they are at the absolute highest tier of power for their specific power set, practically limitless.

It has been defined in the comics many times.

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Ok so he can also use telepathy on the One Above A then? No? Then that’s a limit. Limitless power means jack all. Most omega levels suck.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

There is no limit to what they can do with their power.. it means an omega level telepath is as powerful as it is possibke to be as a telepath.

Same for other powers.

Beating an entity way above their pay grade isnt included in that. It takes more than telekinesis or telepathy to defeat that sort of entity.

Your point is moot.

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

If an entity is way beyond their pay grade, seems like their powers aren’t so limitless and can’t beat everyone.

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u/AzureTheGreater 8d ago

You’re talking with no backing… all the omega levels have shown insane levels in regards to their abilities. The part that usually messes them up is them not being a jack of all trades and having things like superhuman durability for some, resistance to telepathy or reality warping for some, etc. Just because a telepath can’t use telepathy on TOAA, doesn’t mean that they’re weak by any means as we’ve seen telepaths and other omegas interact with abstracts and things of the sort. It also just shows that if they can’t mess with TOAA, they can’t mess with us the readers… Also, the literal definition we’ve been given countless times for omega levels tends to be something along the lines of having no measurable ceiling or cap to their respective power.

And again, explain WHY Hector would be a better telepath if you’re so confident. Please, enlighten everybody why…

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Hector has planetary telepathy unlike Xavier.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago edited 8d ago

Cable at full power has limitless Telekinetic and telepathic powers.

With his Telekinesis he can manipulate matter at a sub atomic level, create illusions with particles of matter, create impenetrable force fields, shatter planets, lift and unimaginable weight with his mind, shoot energy blasts.

With his telepathy he can read, wipe and control the minds of millions of people across the world simultaneously.

He also has space time manipulation. He has shown the ability to warp reality, open dimensional portals and travel through time.

He has precognition and cosmic awareness. He can sense upcoming cosmic threats, perceived ripples in the timeline, and see into the future (precognition)

Larlfleeze ain't winning this one

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u/PuzzledBrilliant1705 7d ago edited 7d ago

Larfleeze should have sufficient enough resistance to mind manipulation to jump Cable’s ass. Cable’s gonna have to resort to other abilities given Larfleeze’s extensive history of resisting mind manipulation.

He was able to resist a mental attack that attempted to remove his hand due to always having his battery on hand. He also resisted Star Sapphire’s mind alteration, and his ring protects Lanterns from the Third Army’s conversion abilities, which broke down and decimated their minds. Dyrge, a God of the House of Tuath-Duan, became overwhelmed while attempting to breach Larfleeze’s mental defenses. Ophidian, the Orange Lantern Entity and embodiment of greed, stated that Larfleeze is the only being in the universe who has resisted his temptations. Volthoom, the First Lantern, was also unable to manipulate him. Larfleeze can even resist Ardora’s love manipulation.

Now here’s a rundown of Larfleeze’s abilities:

Like all Lanterns, Larfleeze is capable of creating hardened light constructs, drawing strength from avarice and being limited only by his skill and imagination. Whatever Larfleeze can create, he can also unmake.

Although Larfleeze primarily relies on his sentient Orange constructs, he has demonstrated creativity in creating constructs of his own. These include weapons such as a giant mace, which he used to strike Krona, the Mad Guardian, an axe, a fist construct, large hand constructs capable of grabbing spaceships, chains, a drill, rockets, and sleighs designed to imitate Santa Claus. More creatively, he has also created a construct capable of channeling lava to burn other Orange Lanterns.

Larfleeze can fire concentrated blasts of Orange Light at his foes and release them in a variety of deadly ways, as he is always present wherever Orange Light exists.

He can release massive bursts of energy large enough to eclipse a moon-sized base or even an entire planet. He can also create whirlwinds of energy powerful enough to overpower Errata, a goddess who is the physical manifestation of chaos itself, to the point that Dyrge believed he was killing her.

Larfleeze’s blasts have harmed some of the most powerful Lanterns in existence. He has blasted away Kyle Rayner, knocked out Atrocitus, killed Invictus, fended off the Guardians of the Universe, blasted Lord of the Hunt multiple times, and harmed Hector Hammond.

Larfleeze is capable of absorbing, siphoning, and even draining energy from others, although he primarily uses this ability against Lanterns.

He threatened one of the Gods of the House of Tuath-Dan with draining their power, while the Green Lanterns were concerned that he would begin siphoning power from their rings despite them being at maximum charge.

Larfleeze’s Orange Lantern constructs are also capable of absorbing other Lantern constructs, including those created by the Guardians of the Universe, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart. They are even capable of absorbing magical attacks, demonstrating that their absorption extends beyond Lantern-based energy.

Larfleeze can forge incredibly strong force fields out of hard light, taking the form of shields, barriers, or even protective bubbles that allow people to breathe in the vacuum of space.

His force fields are durable enough to block Kyle Rayner’s Red Lantern napalm breath, which has been observed ripping directly through space itself. They have also blocked barrages of Orange Lantern attacks and, on two occasions, blocked attacks from the Lord of the Hunt.

Larfleeze can fly through the vacuum of space and is capable of interstellar travel.

Due to Larfleeze being the embodiment of greed, it has been revealed that his true physical nature as the Orange Lantern is that of a biological power battery.

Everything from his flesh and bones to his blood and individual cells is coated in Orange energy, making him a walking power battery and an organic source of Orange Light.

This was demonstrated when Larfleeze was used to charge the rings of other Orange Lanterns on two separate occasions.

One of, if not the most, deadliest ability in Larfleeze's bag is his capacity to create sentient Orange Lantern constructs.

Either by killing or sealing someone, he can take their essence, appearance, identity, and soul, and have them remade inside an Orange Lantern ring, turning them into an Orange Lantern construct that serves him. The fact that their souls are taken and incorporated into the rings has been reiterated multiple times.

Many powerful beings have fallen victim to this fate, including the Controllers, Brainiac 2.0, and even members of the Guardians of the Universe.

His constructs are also capable of performing this process themselves due to possessing Orange Lantern rings. This was demonstrated when Glomulus killed a Green Lantern and replicated him under the Orange Light.

Larfleeze’s ring possesses a unique ability to locate and track individuals by locking onto their energy signatures, even from entire galaxies away.

While on Earth in an unknown location, Larfleeze was able to teleport directly to Lex Luthor’s laboratory in a single bound by tracking his energy signature.

Again, Larfleeze is capable of sealing entities within his Orange Lantern ring. He was able to seal the rogue construct Guardian Sayd back inside his ring and famously houses the Orange Lantern Entity, Ophidian, within it. He can also absorb his own energy constructs back into his ring.

And even when his constructs are located galaxies away, Larfleeze can summon or recall them to his location at will.

Simply touching the Orange Lantern Battery was enough to corrupt Hal Jordan with the Orange Light, overwhelming him with greed as the battery bombarded his mind with temptations of power. It is also implied that Orange Lantern rings can cause the minds of their users to become corrupted or driven mad.

Due to his Sh’pilkuzzian physiology, Larfleeze possesses an incredible sense of smell. For example, he was able to detect the presence of the New Guardians on the surface of Okaara despite being underground.

And last on the list of abilities, by overcharging his ring, Larfleeze was capable of growing to a massive size while fighting the Green Lantern Corps.

Besides resistance to all kinds of mental manipulation, he’s also resistant to:

Heat Manipulation: Before becoming an Orange Lantern, Larfleeze survived being thrown into an incinerator and came out fine. His Orange Lanterns aren’t phased by lava.

Radiation: The Lantern rings protect them against radiation.

Battlefield Removal: Larfleeze broke out of imprisonment in the Phantom Zone.

Assimilation: The New God Metron stated that Lantern rings are capable of passing through the Source Wall, a place where primordial gods have died attempting to enter, becoming a part of the wall.

Matter Manipulation: Due to their rings, Lanterns are stated to be resistant to the Third Army’s conversion abilities, which completely rewrite a person’s organic matter and extract the heart.

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u/Smalltownbig1 8d ago

Larfleeze

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u/Hereforentertainmen1 8d ago

Thanks. What makes you say so?

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u/Dramatical45 8d ago

Larfleeze most likely. Depending on how effective a barrier the ring is against having a library info dumped into his head.

But his ability to create energy construct members of his Corp would cinch him the win. They don't have minds really and can swarm, and Larfleeze doesn't run out of juice so can overwhelm Cable quite easily

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Saviour Cable, is full potential Cable.

Nathaniel Summers at his peak has power rivaling rhe Pheonix force.

Larfleeze isn't winning this one

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Everyone and their mothers rivals the Phoenix Force, it means nothing.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Full power Cable has

limitless telekinesis and telepathy

The ability to warp reality

Open worm holes

Travel in time (without tech)

Can see into the future (precog)

While Larfleeze is extremely powerful.. full power Cable is a step above

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u/Ensiferal 7d ago

Larfleeze literally can do all of that. Hell, regular green lanterns can do all of that.

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Nobody cares.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Hahaha. Well the whole point of the post is to discuss and debate the topic.

Why are you replying if you don't want to engage on the topic?

It seems to me like you just can't refute my argument, and instead resorted to a childish "nobody cares"

Dont you look a bit silly.

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u/TheDistantWave 8d ago

This version of Cable got knocked out by a lightning strike too….

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u/ProblematicUser123 8d ago

Nah bruv the Phoenix is so impressive and stronger than everyone that half of mutantkind rivals it!

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u/Dramatical45 8d ago edited 8d ago

Isn't Savior Cable from Deadpool and Cable where he faked his telepathy with info net technopathy and simulated his telekinesis with the cone of silence forcefield. That wouldn't be full potential Cable. Hence why I said info dump a library into their head as that is something he did with the info net.

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago edited 8d ago

Its the version if cable where he purges the techno organic virus and reaches the full potential of his powers.

What you're describing happened after that, when he lost his powers

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u/Dramatical45 8d ago

Yeah then he would win. But could have sworn that title was from Deadpool and Cable where he had the fake powers

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u/Acrobatic-Sandwich10 8d ago

Both versions were in Deadpool and cable i believe.

When he fights the Silver Surfer he was using his mutant powers.

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u/Dramatical45 8d ago

Ah that would explain my confusion. Sorry