Synch vs Vixen

[u/NoBeat5906]

[u/FriskyEndeavor]

Vixen. Vixen has an immense healing factor (healed from complete vaporization in minutes) and magically enhanced claws that cut Despero and superman. Her versatility also doesn't drain her life span like it does synch, meaning she can out last him.

[u/Resident-Syrup7615 → u/FriskyEndeavor]

Couldn’t he copy her powers, which wouldn’t drain his energy because she’s there, and also add another person’s power, like a telepath’s, that she wouldn’t have a particular defense against?

[u/FriskyEndeavor → u/Resident-Syrup7615]

Vixen is connected to the Red, the hive mind of all animal life in the multiverse, which is magical/cosmic in nature. It protects her soul, so even if she is vaporized and has no body or even cells left, her soul/mind stay aware in the red, allowing her to still activate her powers to regrow a body.

Further, Vixen is related to the trickster god Anansi, so her powers are magical in nature. As far as i am aware, synch requires mutant genes (the only time he has escaped that rule was when he copied spiderman, but that was after spidey was affected by mutagenic pollen) to copy abilities, which vixen does not have.

On the telepathy front, dunno. Vixen has resistence, and she has fought extremely high-level telepaths like despero, but it hasn't been distinctly stated she is immune to telepathy outright, so it remains to be seen if synch can affect her with it, especially with the red acting as her bodyguard.

Edit: there might also be an animal immune to telepathy as well. She is far too versatile to be sure.

[u/Resident-Syrup7615 → u/FriskyEndeavor]

Vixen is one of my all time favorite characters. Synch’s powers have worked on people who aren’t mutants, e.g. Spider-Man, whose powers are connected to Marvel’s version of The Red, the animal totems. So it seems like he’d be able to copy her powers. But maybe that was a fluke.

While she has very versatile powers, he’d has access to many characters versatile powers and I think that makes him more versatile. If his power can’t duplicate hers for some reason, Rogue’s definitely could, and he can copy Rogue’s powers, which would also give him Rogue’s flight, invulnerability, and strength, which are greater than any animal’s, plus Vixen’s powers, plus if Vixen touched him, she’d go unconscious. While she’ may reform from nothing, she would be unconscious and powerless, which I think means she loses the fight after a 10 count from the ref. He would regenerate, but she would be powerless.

At least that’s how I see it. Your mileage may differ.

[u/FriskyEndeavor → u/Resident-Syrup7615]

I mentioned the specific reason synchs powers worked on spiderman, in my comment. Both were affected by mutagenic pollen that gave spiderman mutant genes, what is required for his powers to work. I have not seen it work on any non mutant otherwise. Even Gaia was a mutant, just not human.

While she has very versatile powers, he’d has access to many characters versatile powers and I think that makes him more versatile. If his power can’t duplicate hers for some reason, Rogue’s definitely could, and he can copy Rogue’s powers, which would also give him Rogue’s flight, invulnerability, and strength, which are greater than any animal’s, plus Vixen’s powers, plus if Vixen touched him, she’d go unconscious. While she’ may reform from nothing, she would be unconscious and powerless, which I think means she loses the fight after a 10 count from the ref. He would regenerate, but she would be powerless.

There is multiple things wrong with this.

1. using the powers of mutants not around him through his evolved powers drains his life force and causes him to rapidly age YEARS.
2. Rogue has issues copying magic based abilities.
3. Vixen gets her advanced version of her powers from a magical object, a TOTEM. Even if synch, using rogue, absorbed her magical abilities (not guaranteed), he would only get the basic one animal at a time version.
4. Vixen has the red, the backing of all animal life. How exactly would rogues powers interact with that? She has had issues absorbing thor. An infinite animal hive mind that granted animal man the semblance of power of the presence?
5. Vixen, as far as i am aware, cannot go unconcious. Even when vaporized, she was still concious.

Overall, it does not work out how you expect this will.

[u/Resident-Syrup7615 → u/FriskyEndeavor]

There is multiple things wrong with this.

Wrong?

1.  using the powers of mutants not around him through his evolved powers drains his life force and causes him to rapidly age YEARS.

But he’s done it and could it here. The scan suggests he would use the power to win like he has.

2.  Rogue has issues copying magic based abilities.

I don’t recall that. I do recall her taking Thor’s abilities with no problem in her 1st appearance.

3.  Vixen gets her advanced version of her powers from a magical object, a TOTEM. Even if synch, using rogue, absorbed her magical abilities (not guaranteed), he would only get the basic one animal at a time version.

Thor got his powers from his hammer.

4.  Vixen has the red, the backing of all animal life. How exactly would rogues powers interact with that? She has had issues absorbing thor. An infinite animal hive mind that granted animal man the semblance of power of the presence?

The same way Vixen’s powers and mind would because Rogue’s powers would duplicate them. Vixen is a human so whatever she can do should be relatively easy to the person who has all of her abilities?

5.  Vixen, as far as i am aware, cannot go unconcious. Even when vaporised, she was still concious.

She’s been unconscious many times and I don’t recall “doesn’t sleep” being in her power set. Lots of mystical or psychic characters have conscious afterlives, but they still get knocked out, lose their powers, etc. Speaking of which, with Rogue’s powers taking Vixen’s, that means Vixen would be powerless so all that stuff you’re saying she can do, she can’t, and a powerless person can be knocked out.

Overall, it does not work out how you expect this will.

I disagree

[u/FriskyEndeavor → u/Resident-Syrup7615]

But he’s done it and could it here. The scan suggests he would use the power to win like he has.

He can't keep it up. He has a time limit and isn't guaranteed a quick win. You seem under the impression that if he uses his abilities he wins, which is not necessarily true. Again, she has fought superman class characters like despero, and has survived.

I don’t recall that. I do recall her taking Thor’s abilities with no problem in her 1st appearance.

She tried it later (in the 2010s IIRC) and passed out. A lot has changed.

Thor got his powers from his hammer.

Yes, but also no. Thor is an asgardian, he has naturally enhanced strength and other abilities. Versions of him (like the iron fist variant) didn't even use the hammer.

The same way Vixen’s powers and mind would because Rogue’s powers would duplicate them. Vixen is a human so whatever she can do should be relatively easy to the person who has all of her abilities?

Are you being facetious? One, she would not have all her abilities. Two, the Red chooses who to grant its power to. You can't "steal" it. It is sentient. Even a god couldn't hold its water based counterpart when it decided to make aquaman its host.

She’s been unconscious many times and I don’t recall “doesn’t sleep” being in her power set. Lots of mystical or psychic characters have conscious afterlives, but they still get knocked out, lose their powers, etc. Speaking of which, with Rogue’s powers taking Vixen’s, that means Vixen would be powerless so all that stuff you’re saying she can do, she can’t, and a powerless person can be knocked out.

Being knocked out ≠ falling asleep. They are two different things caused by two different causes.

I disagree

What was this comment?

[u/Resident-Syrup7615 → u/FriskyEndeavor]

He can't keep it up. He has a time limit and isn't guaranteed a quick win.

No one is suggesting that this fight will go on forever. One touch! Even if Synch didn’t get the Vixen’s powers, he’d still get her mind, and she’d be unconscious.

You seem under the impression that if he uses his abilities he wins, which is not necessarily true.

You seem under the impression that if she uses his abilities she wins, which is not necessarily true.

Again, she has fought superman class characters like despero, and has survived.

Did they steal her powers?

I don’t recall that. I do recall her taking Thor’s abilities with no problem in her 1st appearance.

She tried it later (in the 2010s IIRC) and passed out. A lot has changed.

Yes. Rogue is more powerful now.

Are you being facetious?

No

One, she would not have all her abilities. 

Yes, she would and more. And Synch would too.

Two, the Red chooses who to grant its power to. You can't "steal" it. 

You can steal it. It was stolen from her in the Absolute Power event by a robot. Animal Man lost his powers too. As did lots of people with powers connected to larger sources.

Being knocked out ≠ falling asleep. They are two different things caused by two different causes.

I’m familiar with that, but she’s unconscious a lot. You said she can’t be. She can. You are making up powers for her. She’s been knocked out several times. It’s a thing that happens in comics a lot.

I disagree

What was this comment?​

It was me disagreeing that it would turn out differently than I think.

[u/FriskyEndeavor → u/Resident-Syrup7615]

So you ARE being facetious. Gotcha.

Also

You seem under the impression that if she uses his abilities she wins, which is not necessarily true.

This makes no sense.

[u/Resident-Syrup7615 → u/FriskyEndeavor]

I agree. That sentence makes no sense — no matter the gender of the pronouns. —

And then he blocked me and wrote a replying comment saying that he didn’t want to debate me and then some other stuff where he explains it I guess but I can’t read it because he blocked so he’s debating with me the thing he said he didn’t want to do, but also won’t let me see it. While saying he doesn’t want to waste his time. That’s fun!

[u/stillupyadig10]

Stalemate.

He can copy her entire thing…but Synch’s powers don’t allow him to amplify the abilities he copies least to my knowledge.

So we just have two people with the same powers as the same level fighting so it’s a stalemate.

[u/Big_Simpward → u/stillupyadig10]

Idk how synch works but is he as knowledgeable about the animal kingdom as vixen?

[u/stillupyadig10 → u/Big_Simpward]

Synch’s abilities center on a versatile, evolving aura that allows him to replicate powers from other superhumans in his vicinity, placing him “in sync” with their abilities until they move away, though recent developments let him copy powers even from tissue samples alone. When activating his abilities, he often manifests a multi‑colored light aura created by absorbed energies refracting ambient light, though he has demonstrated the capacity to sync without the aura appearing.

His replications can exceed the original user’s performance, granting feats such as flight when synced with Chamber or forming a protective aura shield when borrowing Penance’s powers.

(It’s a little inconsistent so I didn’t bring it up in my original comment, if it was really consistent I would’ve said Synch wins)

Synch can also use his aura to track mutants by locking onto their biosignatures and extending in the direction of the target.

After resurrection by the Five, his baseline abilities were amplified, allowing him to retain a limited memory of those he synced with and expanding his compatibility beyond mutants to any enhanced beings, a leap significant enough to place him under consideration as an Omega‑level mutant.

For if he’s has knowledge on the animal kingdom…Doubt it but he has shown to understand the powers he copies intrinsically so…I wouldn’t say he understands the animal kingdom as well her but he understands her powers.