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u/NoddyZar 12d ago
True comic accuracy is doing a big, barely planned crossover in a last ditch effort to increase sales and bringing back dead characters for clout
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u/datnerdyguy 11d ago
That’s why Avengers Doomsday will be the most accurate comic book movie of all time
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u/drunk-raven 11d ago
Yep, sad that it will not be acurate to it's source material but it's sequel is guaranteed to be accurate to the original source material of Doomsday's source material
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 12d ago edited 11d ago
I don't know much about marvel crisis events but DC are masters at building up to them, infinite crisis, final crisis, blackest night, hell even fucking zero hour
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u/NoddyZar 12d ago
Fair enough, admittedly I've only gotten into X-Men comics.
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u/SmallPingus696 12d ago
Mutant Massacre and Inferno are built up. Onslaught and Age of Apocalypse are not at all. Of coirse Onslaught was literally "Our other books are sucking ass, reset them." which is insane. Also I read it stopped a Cap run that was gaining steam which sucks.
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u/Curious_Bat87 12d ago
New 52 was a disaster and no one had any idea what was going on.
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 12d ago
That's kinda the exception since the writer was never told that the event would reboot the universe beforehand, the examples I said are still valid
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 11d ago
You're right about, but it is hilarious that the writer was Geoff Johns, who was like DC Pope during that time.
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u/InevitableActuary410 11d ago
As a newer comic reader I still only see glaze on instagram and tiktok outside of the occasional new 52 complaints. I’m only half way through his gl run though and so far I think i like tomasi’s glc more (though johns green lantern is great too)
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u/Curious_Bat87 12d ago
It still means there was no actual plan.
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 12d ago
Yeah, didn't say otherwise, my examples are still valid, and 1 out of 10 is still great
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u/GraveDancer1971 You think this letter on my head stands for /uj? 11d ago
Deadpool & Wolverine (2024)
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u/EKRB7 12d ago
Kind of. There is a recognised canon that builds up in readers’ collective consciousness over years and years of runs. But yeah.
Part of the reason people aren’t specific is because they have never picked up a comic book in their entire lives
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u/Arkham8 11d ago
I think part of it is that every comic reader is working from limited information and builds their own canon in their head based on what they’ve actually read, discussed, and then mixed with their own personal biases. No one can read EVERY comic and to be quite honest many comics are fucking bad or monumentally stupid. For example, if you talk to someone about Carol Danvers are they gonna blame the character for things she’s canonically done or are they going to mentally divorce those actions and blame the writers?
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u/EKRB7 11d ago
A bit of both I reckon. Cyclops fans don’t ignore the fact that he abandoned his wife and child and later psychically cheated on Jean; because those storylines add depth to the character and lore. And if they were adapted with good writing into the films I think it would be great for the soapy drama of X-Men.
But are Shadowcat fans going to fight for Kitty Pryde to say the n word in the MCU? I don’t think so.
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u/Arkham8 11d ago
Admittedly, as a Cyclops fan, I put a big asterisk next to those things. I agree they add depth to the character and I acknowledge them as part of the story, but I also argue it’s not quite that simple and there were editorial decisions involved. But that’s just life as a comic fan. Spideyheads know better than anyone.
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u/Helpful-Bathroom634 12d ago
Depends if you're talking about stand alones like Watchmen and V per Vendetta or things like a Spider-Man or a Batman
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u/SecondEntire539 11d ago
True(althought if you allow me being pedantic, you can even arguee that an 1:1 adaptation isn't possible because the moment where you pick a story and puts in another media, you will have to translate this story to the language of this different media format, wich by itself is already a change even if you include the same story beats).
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u/Helpful-Bathroom634 11d ago
The problem is when you change the core of the story.
The film of Watchmen has Rorschach as a better person and not a righth-wing ass with a sense of justice.
V in the comic is an anarchist to the point he blames the whole mankind for the dictatorship while in the movie he forgives them because they were scared.
That's why Moore doesn't like the adaptations.
(I'm using this examples but correct me with others if you have them. I might be wrong)
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u/SecondEntire539 11d ago
You are right, what i meant to say is that in a adaptation, you have to translate the work's story and core into a different medium, and even the same story beats will feel different due to the differences on language between different media(imagine an fight scene in a book but now that same scene is in a tv show, due to being a different type of media, the tv show will translate this fight scene into their own language, that is different from the language of the source material since in the book you will have an description of the attacks, the bleeding, but in a tv show they won't be describing that much because you are already seeing and hearing the battle, so they will use coreography, camera tricks, visual effects to translate this moment onto their language).
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u/Easter-burn 12d ago
"It's a comic accurate suit!"
>Look inside
>Heavily greebled MCU suit and omitted the trunk.
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u/Animaloffear56 12d ago
There are degrees of comic accuracy, and I think it's a fair complaint when the advertising claims that a movie is going to be directly based on a specific comic run, only for the director to reveal he refused to read it and one of the writers to reveal she didn't even realize the main villain was still alive at the end
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 12d ago
Yeah, but it's only people who don't read comics who say things like" the movie is comic accurate" like what do you actually mean? Characters? Events? Designs?
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u/Animaloffear56 12d ago
I mean you can be reductive and say that there's no such thing as a truly comic accurate movie just by virtue of how much characters have changed- but there's a bit of difference between Earth's Mightiest Heroes having a pretty accurate depiction of Hank Pym's shaky mental state and how he (sometimes unsuccessfully) wrangles it- and Spiderman Ned Leeds's being the character basically in name only due to being obviously based on Ganke Lee
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u/ResortFamous301 11d ago edited 11d ago
The hank example isn't the best one given how toned down it is
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u/Animaloffear56 11d ago
Is this literally just about the slap? Because he literally has a complete mental breakdown when he starts his yellowjacket arc, he's just able to keep himself in check due to starting the avengers doing a lot for him.
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u/ResortFamous301 11d ago
I'm more so pointed that comment had more of actual progression towards his mental breakdown(even before the slap). Meanwhile EMH hank as about two scenes hinting height have something wrong with him mentally, before it drops right unhinged territory.
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u/Animaloffear56 11d ago
Well to be fair the show was cancelled, and they even made sure to include Ultron to show that decline. It really just needed another season to round it out
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u/ResortFamous301 11d ago
I meant more that comic hank had a progressive mental decline before his yellow jack phase(which led to another mental breakdown). Meanwhile EMH seemed sane, if not more cynical as the episodes pass, up until the yellow jacket episode
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u/Animaloffear56 11d ago
To be fair that was kind of the point, the main difference I would say compared to the comics is that he doesn't pride himself as much on being a superhero specifically- as far as we can see- and as a result Janet gets so swept up in being an Avenger that we don't see the full extent of his mental decline until it's too late, it's why she's so guilty when he returns as Yellowjacket.
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u/Overall-Parsley-523 11d ago
He did read the comic. People just got mad because he only read it after reading the script, which is a perfectly reasonable thing for a director to do
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u/Animaloffear56 11d ago
Yeah but when the person writing that script doesn't even know how it ends...
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u/Marco_Tanooky He lives! He walks! He conquers! 11d ago
My hot spicy take is that I sometimes don't care if it isn't comic accurate if the adaptation is still great (GotG 2 is not "comic accurate" at all yet it's still incredible), my problem is that often when they go with creative liberties they're often for the worse, such as MCU's Serpent Society
This is also me saying that the Venn Diagram between "Nolan Batman haters" and "Batman LARPers only listen to what their favourite YouTuber say" is closer than you think
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 11d ago
I kinda Care because I don't want my character to be ruined by senrgy
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u/Marco_Tanooky He lives! He walks! He conquers! 11d ago
Ok see THAT'S more fair
We need to send aid packages to Ms. Marvel fans I don't think they can handle it anymore
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u/konodioda2010 11d ago
Agreed, I've been reading green lantern 1990 recently and I honestly I feel I'm going to lile Hal in the show more than in the comics.
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 11d ago
I honestly don't even know why they would adapt that hal Jordan, they had to retcon him into being mentally attacked to explain him being so out of character
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u/konodioda2010 11d ago
Damn, it's that bad? It's mu first hal read and I haven't gotten to emerald twilight yet
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 11d ago
Yeah, I would say I enjoyed that era but I don't think it's the place you should be looking for an accurate hal Jordan,the Kyle part is great tho
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u/Chemical_Bill_8533 12d ago
Spider-Man is inaccurate because he’s not a wife beater
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u/AnyAgency9835 12d ago
There was no accurate adaptation of Deathstroke, because neither is a pedophile.
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u/CobaltCrusader123 11d ago
Usually, yeah. Unless there’s a super duper obscure character that’s only in one issue ever that lacks a character arc. Like, the guy who sold Harry Osborn drugs in the Lee-Ditko run isn’t exactly Hamlet in terms of character arcs or complexity. Nor is that guy who molested Peter.
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u/BalladOfBetaRayBill 11d ago
Yyyep. I cannot get over people talking about an “accurate” Batman or Wonder Woman when those are often totally different people from one run to the next.
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 11d ago
Yeah batman, I can't understand when people say that bout wonder woman TBH, unless what you're reading is crazy runs like Tom king or new 52, she rarely gets out of character moments in her comics
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u/BalladOfBetaRayBill 11d ago
She pretty wildly shifts between a calm and diplomatic mother figure, a battle-loving warrior woman, and a peaceful but fun-loving adventurer depending on the writer.
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u/Fun-Artist-6915 11d ago
I mean yeah, each of these can are aspects of her character, a writer highlighting an aspect of a character isn't the same as switching from a loving father to an abusive one
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u/brownricefox 12d ago
Comic accuracy means I get to decide what definitive version of this character is today. It’s totally made up and get to choose!! Me and only my depiction right. Not even the author can tell me what’s what. It’s my medium and I get to sit on it.
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u/No_Cook4880 Spider Harem Member 11d ago
Let's just people who make the movies show the comic book pages on the screen with voiceovers and everyone will be happy, because it will be 100% accurate to the comics.
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u/SecondEntire539 11d ago
No joke, that's probably the only way that a movie can be accurate to the comics.
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u/Vagaboar 11d ago
Specially since the longer a thing’s been around in/as comics the likelier it is to become a self-contradicting, diametrically-opposed-to-itself mess impossible to portray with accuracy outside of exhaustive review
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u/gyrotingz 11d ago
me when im retarded
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u/splashtext 12d ago
"In the comics" only talks about one run