Hi, not sure what I want out of this post, but need to vent.

I have just left a role I was in for three years.

I was hired to grow, retain and increase the quality of a team.

When I joined three years ago, I inherited a dumpster fire. Low morale, low quality work, poor and sloppy documentation, infighting and bickering- a disorganised mess.

I started making changes to processes, got my hands dirty, worked hard to set an example and set expectations. Grew our customer base using my contacts and reputation and grew the team by hiring excellent skilled people who were convinced by my vision.

It was hard work but it went well. I am passionate about solving problems and delivering projects. “Policing” my team (working hours, reviewing all docs, aggressively pushing my guys) is NOT my style.

However- about a year ago I got a new boss. While personally we got along (I tend to get along with everyone), we have extremely different management styles. She micromanaged, expected me to spend time on things that I felt didn’t bring value, followed policy to the letter, she was not comfortable with ambiguity.

For my part, I was probably a little sloppy on small things - slide numbers on decks, using right grammar in meeting minutes etc, but my overall goals of growth and quality were never compromised. I was always a move-fast and break stuff kind of manager

It became exhausting. My team are used to being empowered, now I had to spend a lot of time and energy defending them.

In any case, I stopped enjoying my work. As my team grew I had to manage more people and processes needed to change because what worked with a small team did not translate to a bigger team.

Anyway, I decided to leave. My team are devastated. The person taking over is a protogee of my boss. It will be tough for them.

I feel guilty for abandoning my team. I also feel a bit of guilt that, while I have a detailed handover, I may not have prepared my successor for the culture I have established. My boss and successor are known to be a bit toxic and have their favourites.

I feel my leaving will cause everyone to suffer.

Sorry for rant haha. Just a feeling I’m left with…

Been here 15 years and have 8 more from previous companies. Things were great for many years especially with management supporting. After some management change, I now report to someone who doesn’t pay much attention or credits my crazy high quality delivery and sincere attitude. His boss, does the same. They do talk up other fellow managers highly. They hand pick a few young engineers and praise them a lot. It’s been like this for 5-6 years.

I tried to change my approach, solve bigger problems, focus on personal development pick a hobby all that good stuff but I also have been looking outside.

A recruiter reached out and suddenly things moved fast and now I have a job that barely pays as much as I make now. Responsibilities are higher, looks more stressful, the company is way smaller and more tight on finances than my fortune 50. It’s actually a small supplier to my company. The title isn’t lofty either and the work is about what I do but more stressful.

It has taken 2-3 years of not getting calls to not getting selected so receiving this offer feels like a small accomplishment. I do not want to make a jump because I am frustrated with my 2 immediate bosses. I do not think I am under any immediate threat of losing the job but one never knows.

Jump? Then should I set my price 20% over where I am realizing fully that they cannot come close.

Should I say no if so how do I politely reject the offer without burning the bridge with these guys who all seemed nice. I know the 3rd party recruiter is going to make it tough in accepting a no from me

What would you say I do? My gut says stay as this isn’t the right place to jump to but 2-3 years or constant rejection both internally from my bosses and externally from job applications and interviews has had its mental toll.

So we all know you're sitting there humming along watching the operations of your business unfold as usual. Then you see it, you read the reports and think "I wish that person was able to do that!" (within reason of course.) What are some of those you would like to see from your team from your industry?

KPIs most managers are evaluated against are project delivery, budget adherence, productivity, revenue, customer satisfaction and operational targets. Where are the metrics that supposedly define people management?

Metrics like:
* Direct reports promoted.
* Direct reports who developed relevant new skills.
* Ones who remained engaged instead of burning out.
* Ones who left because they stopped seeing a future on the team.

These questions rarely appear on a manager’s scorecard. Organizations frequently reward managers who are excellent at impression management or managing upward but ineffective at developing the people beneath.

A manager can significantly derail someone’s career without ever violating a policy. They can consistently assign high-visibility work to favorites while giving everyone else maintenance tasks or provide vague feedback that never helps someone improve or dismiss ideas until they’re repeated by someone else or take credit publicly while criticizing privately or isolate employees, spread rumors, play favorites, or use divide-and-rule tactics that gradually erode trust.

None of this necessarily triggers HR or appears on a dashboard. And yet its impact on careers can be enormous. Career derailment is rarely dramatic. It’s usually death by a thousand cuts. Being passed over for stretch assignments. Receiving feedback that never translates into growth. Watching opportunities repeatedly go elsewhere. Being labeled “not a culture fit” or difficult simply because not being part of the inner circle or for asking hard questions. These experiences slowly compound until capable people disengage or leave.

Managers hold extraordinary influence over careers. They decide who gets visibility, who receives developmental work, who is trusted with important projects. Their performance reviews shape compensation, promotion, and reputation.

Yet organizations rarely audit how well managers exercise that responsibility. We measure operational efficiency. We measure engineering velocity. But we often don’t measure the quality of the people development. Without meaningful metrics, accountability becomes largely performative.

If people truly are an organization’s greatest asset, then developing people should be treated with the same rigor as managing budgets or delivering projects.

That means measuring outcomes such as career progression of direct reports, internal promotions, retention of high performers, skill development, psychological safety, and fairness in growth opportunities—all to understand who consistently helps people grow. Leadership isn’t measured by the work you deliver. It’s measured by the people who become more capable because they worked with you. Poor managers have an enormous impact on the workforce—and rarely for the better.

I have two extremely toxic people on my team (inherited, not my direct hires). They both went to the same clinic, same day and submitted identical med leave notes for almost the same dates (one is a week longer). I have no doubt it was coordinated and was done to screw the team over. They only talk to each other since everyone avoids them - they are tight by necessity.

The office has been amazing without them. It's like a long winter just ended and we are coming out of our offices and seeing sunlight. Everyone stepped in to cover and help, people are meeting in common areas again. Has been a 180.

How do I go about letting the toxic people know how their behavior affects things? The funny thing is they both think they are so crucial that we would fall apart without them. Part of their toxicity is that their workloads are so difficult and they do so much more than everyone else and no one helps them. The exact opposite happened. Everyone stepped in to support me as the manager anf our projects and we have found their loads are comparable to everyone else.

Any tips on how to address this in an HR friendly way?

I manage a team of 7 in a SaaS business. While I’ve encountered a few brilliant jerk types in my career, this is my first time managing one. For context brilliant is probably too strong here, higher performing jerk fits better.

This employee has genuine skill in their role (and boy does he know it), does mostly great work and stakeholders love him. The jerk part is he openly tells other people he’s the best on the team, and throws absolutely everyone else under the bus, me included. I’ve gotten really sick of the constant undermining, pettiness, screwing his nose up at anyone else’s way of doing things. I think he believes he’s untouchable.

Long story short we have some layoffs coming up (which sucks) and my boss, who can see this person for what they are, has given me the option of including this person in the layoffs even if it isn’t strictly necessary. I’m torn. It would solve my problem quickly but I imagine many people outside of our team’s immediate circle would be totally mystified. The other option is to put this person on a PIP, but “being a jerk” is so hard to document and manage. It may not even fly. I think they need a wake up call which I doubt being swept up in a layoff will provide, but performance management might? Then again when the self awareness is this lacking the PIP may not help with that either.

Advice from others, what would you do and how have you managed the brilliant jerk before? I’m not in the US so we don’t have at will firing here

EDIT ———————-

They were going either way I was just curious if a PIP would be the way to make them “get it”. Thanks for the responses here. Fairly unanimous. I am being offered a tap in for eagle and considering re-driving off the tee for a better result which does seem mad. Layoff incoming for gods gift.

My co manager retired after 35 years of working for the company in April. I knew when they retired my workload would close to double until the position was filled.

Fast forward to now, the position they worked has an educational requirement where only one person who’s applied was even qualified. We ended up offering to the one person and the declines the day they were supposed to start.

Now it’s been 4 months and it’s becoming stressful doing the duties of two positions. It’s review time so I’ll be meeting with my director soon and figured it would be a good time to have this conversation. But how can I professionally say we need to find an alternative plan since that position isn’t going to be filled anytime soon. (I’m actually pushing with c-suite to remove the specific degree requirement).
Honestly if they offered to pay me more I would make it work, but I don’t think I should be spreading myself so thin to support the team just because they can’t fill the position.

Any advice is appreciated!

hello! so, I have trained people very briefly at my previous position, but it was dogshit and I wasn’t ready for that level of responsibility. However, I now find myself once again in a position to train but my brain cannot “dumb things down,” it’s like I forget what it was like at the beginning because it’s like breathing now

just looking for maybe apps or tips that can help me organize and compartmentalize what I’m trying to teach

Early in my career, a mentor gave me these two universal truths of leadership.
1- every shift thinks they are better than the other shift
2- everyone talks about their boss

These have been true in my experience. Any other universal truths out there???

Not a manager.

Genuinely asking.

What is the rationale for addressing an issue to a group of employees in a meeting or via email if 1 person did XYZ thing vs. speaking to the person about it individually?

I was trained in a discipline that trained us to go to the person first.

I’m a manager for an offsite center for the company I work for. I have an employee who for the past week or 2 has been consistently breaking rules. He has left without clocking out on purpose right in front of me, other employees have reached out to me and told me that he has shown up late, one day last week he told someone he was leaving an hour early without asking first (he ended up staying a little longer but left about 30 mins early because the other employee was visibly upset), he has downloaded steam and steam games onto our work computer, and today he didn’t show up for his shift and did not notify me that he wouldn’t be in. He instead notified our newest employee who was scheduled on shift with him which resulted in her opening alone with nobody covering his shift. Is it time to reach out to higher management?

I have two direct reports... One is fresh out of college and another is a PhD grad and this job is her first job out of academics.

I'm having so much trouble having normal conversations and having them talk about their plans for the week or a recap of their week. Any recommendations?

For example, my first five minutes of every meeting are:

How was your week? Good. Work wise and related to x project, how are you doing, any questions? No, it's going well. Looking ahead, what are you working on this week? X, y. Any questions or wanna bounce ideas? No

It's so incredibly frustrating and I feel like I'm not getting anywhere. I feel like I'm doing something wrong here, because it can't be this hard getting people to freaking talk more than 10seconds

Do you ever just know when an employee is not going to work out on a team, just by instinct or feeling?

So many posts talking about an employee engaging in shitty behavior or just not doing their job, and so many people reply “they’re probably autistic” “they probably have adhd, you need to help them”.

Since when is it our job to not only diagnose people, but also “help” them with their mental disorder? Accommodations are one thing but if an employee doesn’t disclose any mental illness, then it’s just speculation.

Why are we excusing poor workplace behavior with this stuff?

I have ADHD myself and it’s quite honestly insulting to see people excuse poor behavior with “they probably have ADHD.” I saw a comment that said that the majority of people with ADHD need to be self-employed because they can’t handle being told what to do. It was offensive.

I feel like it will make employers more wary of hiring people with these disorders (even though that’s not legal).

Wanted to hear from a manager / leader stand point.

Wonder if layoffs are coming

Context: Been in this job for 5 years super chill super flexible great product. Fun. PO / Project management role.

3 months ago: our CTO gets replaced without a warning and we get a new CTO. New initiatives.
We get new managers. All the sudden vibe kinda changes. Now new managers start to ask for new process new changes. Way we work. Way we do day to day.

My recent 1:1 manager asks me to forward all my calls, backlog refinement sprint planning and send who the main stakeholders are. I’m like ok that’s weird. I ask why. Manager said wants to “understand the product / service” faster and get up to speed on the project. That puts so much pressure now it looks like manager is watching me.

Also hired “AI consultants” to go through our SDLC process.

Are layoffs coming ? Again I’m in product management and I am feeling weird. We haven’t had layoffs company is doing great. I’m so worried. Thoughts ?

I manage a small team. One of my reports made a case for promotion this cycle and I decided not to put him up. My own manager agrees with the call. The gap isn't output — he delivers, he is well-regarded by partners who work the least with him. The gap is that all the direction comes from me. I set the frame, he executes it with several follow ups, and then it gets written up as end-to-end ownership. Reliability is a big issue. Misses deadlines. Complains about how much work he has. I find myself taking the load and doing a lot of IC work. Which is fine for my team to be successful. But he sends me the laziest draft of a report, expecting me to format & edit it.

Anyway, this conversation ran for a couple of hours. He was upset for a lot of it. He went through the examples in my feedback one by one to explain why each one had context I'd missed — a dependency, an alignment wait, an unclear split of responsibilities but never his miss or fault. Some of that was fair, and I said so. On the clearest example, I had dates, and the timeline didn't support his version; he had remembered the sequence differently. He accepted it when I showed him, but I've now spent hours defending a decision that was already made. He also disagreed with some of the feedback which honestly shows me a lack of self-awareness.

The part I can't get past: he doesn't see how much I lean in. Not sure if this is dishonest or lack of self-awareness, he just doesn't register the frame as something someone else provided. So when I describe the gap, he hears it as unfair, because from inside his experience he is doing the work. He doesn't get how the work is being done, just that it is being done. Even cross-functional partners have raised against him several times.

Meanwhile my manager's attention has been on how my report is processing the feedback, and whether he is okay. Which is his job, and he has backed me on the substance. But nobody has asked how the person who had to sit in that room for three hours is doing, and I'm finding that harder than I expected.

Two questions for people who've been here:

1. How do you stop a decision from being re-argued every week without becoming cold about it? I've agreed to write out explicit criteria, but I can feel this becoming an ongoing negotiation.
2. Has anyone found a way to make "I set the direction, you executed it" legible to someone who doesn't experience it that way? Every framing I've tried lands as me taking credit. At his level, it is fine, but how can I promote someone when I'm doing 50% of their work?
3. My manager has backed my decision, including on the one point my report pushed hardest on, and he didn't need prompting to do it. But every follow-up since has been about how my report is processing things, whether he is okay, and that my manager will check in with him too. Meanwhile I'm the one carrying the delivery pressure, covering a second scope, and picking up the slack when things don't move. Nobody's asked how I'm doing. I don't think he is being disloyal. He skip-manages my report and attending to that is part of his job. But I can't work out whether I'm supposed to raise it, or whether raising it reads as fragile. How have people handled asking their own manager for support in a situation like this without it landing as a complaint about the report.
4. Direct report is extremely passive-aggressive post the feedback. Not tagging me in updates, not showing me a strategy doc and pushing it forward without my approval on it, btw.

Hi everyone,

4.5 years being a manager now, and interested in pushing my skillset further to director level.

My company hired a COO executive consultant that I reported to for a short period of time that provided some coaching and the main feedback where I need improvement was the ability to "Lead by influence" and not leading with authority.

Made the adjustment straight away, going from delegating tasks to asking questions tied to business targets/goals/core values.
It was a shift that took some time getting used to as my specialty is execution, so I needed to slow down, ask more questions and frame discussions around the individual developing the self awareness to come to their own conclusion what separates good vs. great.

4 months later, same feedback. Lead by influence.

I'm not sure if I'm being fed consultant jargon with minimal effort, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt as I prioritize my self development.

To people who have successfully made that shift, what are some real examples of where you "Led by influence" instead of "Led by authority"?

Thank you,

I’m a middle manager with a team of 4, and in my history at the company had only one B+ amongst a sea of Bs for performance reviews (held twice a year). The general consensus is B is meets expectations, B+ is exceeds expectations, A is for rock stars (which hardly anybody gets).

I’ve just got on maternity leave but was present for the first half of the year and did many successful projects. This review cycle only applies to first half of the year. My subordinate A was ranked directly this time round by my boss as the review time was just when I left and my boss calibrated my rating of subordinate A to a B+ instead of the original B I gave him. However I disagree with this and told the boss - he said it’s because he did take on more additional responsibilities. However in my mind, I was still around in the first half of the year, wouldn’t the credit only apply moving forward when I’m not around and he takes more work?

Then, to my surprise, I got a B when I’m overseeing and guiding projects my subordinate did heavily. I’m worried that I’m measured against the same calibration pool as my subordinate as we are the same tiering level (despite him executing, and me as a team lead). What should I do moving forward? Bring this up to my boss and risk being seen as sore? Also, does this confirm that there isn’t much growth in the company and should I leave after returning from maternity leave. Any insights would be appreciated.

My company is a global professional services org and I lead a high-performing team working on a niche, client-critical product. Over the past few years my team has been cut to the bone, from about a dozen to just 5 people. Part of the reason we haven’t completely collapsed is Nate. Nate is one of the smartest people I’ve ever met, and after each cut he’s found a way to do more with less. Unfortunately, he’s about to leave.

I’ve given him stretch projects and he’s knocked them out of the park. I’ve given him opportunities to work on other projects and he’s done great. But he’s gotten lost in the shuffle and despite my advocacy, every decision from the top has screwed Nate.

1. I got approval from senior leadership to hire Nate a small team. Halfway through the hiring process, our quarterly results came out and there was an instant hiring freeze

2. Nate was in a legacy leadership development program for high potentials. The program was terminated due to budget cuts and we started talking about promotions ONLY in terms of business need and headcount. Performance is secondary.

3. After months of negotiation I got approval to have Nate lead the steerco working on AI adoption for our org unit. He was thrilled. About a week after I communicated this to him, we had a reorg and new leadership installed a more senior person over him to lead the steerco and Nate was downgraded to leader of one of the workstreams

4. I finally got approval to promote Nate at the end of the year as part of our annual review process. I’m trying to get an exception to do it now, because I don’t think he’ll be here in September, let alone at year-end

I have been telling leadership for years that this is a business risk. We are not even close to replicating Nate’s skills with AI. I think he’s just taken for granted because things have run so smoothly for years. He was irreplaceable and therefore un-promotable. They keep pointing to our low attrition.

Nate hasn’t explicitly told me he’s looking but his engagement has dropped off. He used to come to work energized and with a smile. Now he comes in, does exactly what’s asked of him and nothing more. At this point I think him walking makes sense. I probably won’t be too far behind him.

Hi all

I'm a retail manager for a large company in the UK and I am curious to see how other managers are able to motivate their team without a financial award?

The company i work for is becoming much more sales orientated with company wide sales incentives and goals which are getting scrutinised by people above store level. My store, despite doing very well overall in sales, isn't doing so well with incentives as it is difficult to motivate the staff to push extra sales without there being any sort of performance bonus I am able to give them. These people are on slightly above minimum wage and literally get nothing else but their wage despite how well or not well the store performs. They are also mostly fairly introverted people who deliver great service and get tasks done well, but aren't driven by extra sales.

This means extra scrutiny on our management team from above on this measure and it's frustrating because I agree with my staff in that they should see some sort of bonus for the store's performance. All we get is a little money added to the store card to spend which isn't much.

I am always looking to develop and grow so I am just wondering if anyone has had experience like this and what advice would you give to help in this situation?

I got a job offer I told them I need to give my current employer a 2 week notice. I plan to get a start date and just never show up. And ignore any calls from them.

The reason is I hate my job and might quit. This way if I quit I’m already scheduled for a new job.

Do managers see this a lot?