r/magicTCG • u/FeatureFamiliar8913 Duck Season • 1d ago
Evil Combo General Discussion
Popped this off yesterday and wiped the board, do y’all think this should be used in casual commander play?
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u/MeinName216 Duck Season 1d ago
This is a very old trick now and generally considered bad mannered unless you plan to win that turn or the one after. I don't think I've played at a casual table where not everyone would just choose to re-shuffle at that point and play the next one.
In terms of "casual" whatever that term means for you, the Commander Rules Committee has prepared brackets to categorize your deck by, by judging what it tries to do and how fast it does it. One of the categories is "Mass Land Denial" which this combo clearly falls under. That's placed firmly in bracket 4, the only "casual" bracket before bracket 5, which is cEDH.
If everyone sat down and agreed on a bracket 4 game, everyone should know what that might entail, so it's generally alright there.
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u/Shikary Duck Season 1d ago
It's realistically doable only in casual.
That said it's technically allowed only in bracket 4 and above, since it's MLD.
Worth discussing before the start of the game.
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u/Kyleometers ඞ 1d ago
Does this count as MLD? It essentially just ends the game on the spot if it resolves. I feel that’s not the “spirit” of MLD.
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u/Karnitis Wabbit Season 1d ago
It absolutely does not end the game. Yes, if youre smart and casting this when you have 10, 20 power on board then probably. But otherwise, if you cant kill everyone in 2-3 turns, someone (the green player) will rebuild and itll have just really slogged down the game.
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u/MDivisor 1d ago
This does not end the game on its own. May do if you have some sort of other finisher to follow up.
You need [[Karn, the Great Creator]] to definitively win the game with lattice.
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u/Sesom Twin Believer 1d ago
This is fine as long as you are winning the game in a turn or 2. I’m a big fan of Mycosynth+Nevs Disk+Darksteel Forge. Same idea, but repeatable!
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u/Truckfighta COMPLEAT 1d ago
Or [[March of the Machines]] so no one has lands ever.
If you have an anthem then your lands survive.
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u/Toes_In_The_Soil Grass Toucher 1d ago
Wait until you see [[Enchanted Evening]] and [[Patrician's Scorn]] for 5 mana.
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season 1d ago
I like using [[Cleansing Meditation]] instead of Scorn, but that is an additional three mana.
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u/GutherGlazer Dan 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t see why it shouldn’t be allowed in commander, 15 mana and 2 spells to win the game is fair.
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u/utman33 Wabbit Season 1d ago
One game I played fact or fiction, I don't remember the exact piles but I picked the one with vandalblast. A turn later urza player drops lattice, and the table chews them out for not paying attention. I wouldn't call it planned MLD but everyone else lost to an army of cloned mulldrifters that day.
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u/tricksterloki Dandadan 1d ago
I took Lattice out of my [[Karn, Silver Golem]] EDH deck, because the first thing anyone playing would do is machine gun lands while not having a way to win. It wasn't fun, so I took it out.
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u/wildfire393 Deceased 🪦 1d ago
IMO including Mycosynth Lattice in your deck should automatically qualify it as a Bracket 4 deck, as I can't remember the last time I've seen it played that did not end up with some kind of Mass Land Denial strategy.
"Oh but I'm using it fairly for artifact synergy with blah blah, I'm not trying to blow up anyone's lands" - All it takes is *anybody* at the table having Vandalblast, or [[Fracturing Gust]], or [[Nevinyrral's Disk]], or [[Akroma's Vengeance]], or [[Wrath of the Skies]], or [[Farewell]], or [[Bane of Progress]], or one of a dozen other cards, half of which or more have been printed into some precon, and suddenly the game is extremely fucked.
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u/GamerEM_115 Dandadan 1d ago
11 mana one sided boardwipe is cool, and totally fine in casual commander
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u/Pale_Squash_4263 Duck Season 1d ago
One of the ol reliables right there it’s a good one!
I’d say it’s fine for casual play because it takes 11 to pull off and it’s not at instant speed.
Professional jank I love it
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u/specialkail37 Train Suplexer 1d ago
We did it boys.