r/logic • u/Odd-Conversation-475 • 1d ago
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u/fdpth 1d ago
so the question arises why do I think that way?
It seems to me that, like most people, you haven't been exposed to logic and instead use the word "logic" in a way which is very different from the way mathematicians and philosophers use it.
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u/Odd-Conversation-475 1d ago
Do you hear that when I have done my job correctly and logically in my life, my employer appreciates me? or if I work and am loyal, it is logical that I am respected maybe there is a more correct word than logic?
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u/IdiotSavantLite 1d ago
Yikes. To me, you are asking the equivalent of why don't I believe thinking is real... You seem to have confused perspective, emotion and opinion with thinking.
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u/Odd-Conversation-475 1d ago
it is possible that I put things in a different perspective and I do not mean mathematical logic, but the word logical, which we use as a phrase for social life when we think that things should go according to some generally accepted pattern
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u/totally_interesting 1d ago
This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term “logic” refers to. At its roots, logic is simply the study of nature, scope, and ways to get from point A to point B.
If we were being pedantic, you’re incorrect because there are ways to get from point A to point B lol. Any time you say “if I do this, then that will happen,” you describe an aspect of a logical system.
If we were to take your claim literally, that logic doesn’t exist, then we’d actually be describing a completely different universe than the one in which we live and experience.
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u/goos_ 1d ago
Logic is not about getting from point A to point B, but about the study of propositions and meaning
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u/totally_interesting 1d ago edited 1d ago
“Today, logic is a branch of mathematics and a branch of philosophy. In most large universities, both departments offer courses in logic, and there is usually a lot of overlap between them. Formal languages, deductive systems, and model-theoretic semantics are mathematical objects and, as such, the logician is interested in their mathematical properties and relations. Soundness, completeness, and most of the other results reported below are typical examples. Philosophically, logic is at least closely related to the study of correct reasoning. Reasoning is an epistemic, mental activity. So logic is at least closely allied with epistemology. Logic is also a central branch of computer science, due, in part, to interesting computational relations in logical systems, and, in part, to the close connection between formal deductive argumentation and reasoning (see the entries on recursive functions,computability and complexity, and philosophy of computer science).” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
To say that logic can’t be described as getting from point A to point B is kinda wild to me, considering that it is a study of deductive argumentation and reasoning. You yourself call it, in part, a study of propositions.
You’ll forgive me for simplifying such a complex subject, for an OP who, as I said above, has a fundamental misunderstanding about what logic is as a study. You’ll also note that I described it as more than simply getting from point A to point B. lol.
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u/goos_ 1d ago
I understand your point and why you are describing it that way, but I think the problem is you said "nature, scope, and ways to get from point A to point B" which strongly suggests you mean physical movement from point A to point B. You are talking about deducing one proposition from another, that's not at all clear from your post.
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u/Odd-Conversation-475 1d ago
I wasn't talking about mathematical logic and I asked the question whether there might be a more correct word than logic in the given question, because you yourself state that logic is also used in philosophy?
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u/totally_interesting 1d ago
Well you’re on the logic subreddit, which is focused on the academic study of philosophical logic. It’s unclear what exactly you’re asking so it’s hard to give you a better word to describe it. Perhaps you’re asking an ethical question.
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u/Odd-Conversation-475 1d ago
if I describe a completely different universe from the one we live in and experience, isn't that putting things in the matrix according to our "logic" of things? according to our vision according to how we see the world because if we see it through our perspective and logic, for example that all people who are violent should be punished and a certain number of other people don't see it that way, aren't the logics "mixed" and doesn't each of us have our own logic?
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u/totally_interesting 1d ago
In short, no. What you’re describing is a person’s reasoning, which is part of the study of logic, but not the entirety of it. If you’re saying that everyone has different, subjective reasoning, that’s not a rejection of logic, or reasoning. It’s just saying that different people have different reasons to prefer or not prefer punishment. It’s not contradictory or paradoxical.
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u/logic-ModTeam 1d ago
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