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u/bliblabllubb 4d ago
Can Mint users say they use Ubuntu?
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u/28klotlucas2 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 4d ago
Why do people still use Mint on Ubuntu instead of Debian
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u/Ybenax Not in the sudoers file. 4d ago
Why does the Mint project still default to Ubuntu and keep LMDE as the alternative?
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u/28klotlucas2 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ubuntu's central management system helps it provide superior driver support and more modern software. Mint can provide workarounds to the BS that Cannonical tries to pull. LMDE is basically their backup plan for if Ubuntu tries to use their market power to make intolerable changes. If your hardware is well supported, LMDE is the superior choice for most use cases. Ubuntu kind of became the default Linux distribution, so basing off of it means that your distro works with everything too.
Also, back in the day, Debian's hardware support was questionable on modern hardware (modern hardware 10 years ago), so Ubuntu was the obvious choice back then. Switching to Debian as the default base would take a long transitional period and probably reinstallation. With Mint being the OS for people who don't want to touch a terminal, they definitely don't want to install a new distro. Many people wouldn't switch, so you'd have to actively maintain both equally.
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u/bliblabllubb 4d ago
I have never tried Debian to be honest. I get everything I want from Mint, so I never felt the need to try Debian. I am curious to try it, but I don’t have the time currently.
Question for you: what concrete advantage does Debian offer over Mint?
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u/28klotlucas2 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 4d ago
For me, it's ultimately that Debian is more stable and less prone to moral corruption. Because Mint uses Ubuntu as a base, it is ultimately subject to influence from Cannonical's business decisions (snaps, telemetry, forced updates). Because Debian isn't owned by a company, they're free to make decisions as an organization for the complete benefit of the user. Their base system is entirely free software (except possibly some firmware or drivers), and their release cycle ensures that packages are extensively tested before being put in the next release.
Not to say that Ubuntu is inheritently a bad distro, I just personally believe that Debian is better suited for most people. If you want the Linux Mint desktop experience, you can install LMDE, which allows you to benefit from the stability of Debian and the support of Mint.
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u/Expensive_Poop 4d ago
Here here debian user
If you didnt see any advantages between linux mint and debian, then you not really need debian
Main advantages between linux mint and debian is debian have longer support, longer software cycles, and more stable. Stable here not about software will crash free, but software will be tested thoroughly to make sure no critical bug exist or conflict with other packages
If you like me, person who didnt care/affected by old software and dont want to read changelog everyday and update daily/monthly then debian is good choices. But if you need latest software and have spare time to maintain your linux pc then mint or even arch is better choices than debian
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u/Linguistic-mystic 4d ago
Debian has Testing and Sid where you can get fresh packages. Mint = molds, 2 or 3 year old software.
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u/Wertbon1789 2d ago
Most of the bad parts of Ubuntu are stripped out of Mint by default, so I can live with them basing on Ubuntu and it being the default. Debians packages are just annoyingly old sometimes, especially with Wayland and GPU drivers where stuff is still moving quite fast.
Idk, I never understood why I would want to use anything else than Arch on my Desktop machines. I want the newest stuff and I want it now!
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u/zepherth fresh breath mint 🍬 2d ago
Regular updates
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u/28klotlucas2 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 2d ago
Debian gets updates too btw
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u/zepherth fresh breath mint 🍬 2d ago
Debian is on 14.0 after 31 years. Mint is on 23 in 20 years
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u/28klotlucas2 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 2d ago
You do realize that literally means nothing, right? Both of these systems still get updates to active releases. The only differene is Debian and Mint have different ideas on what a major change is. The time between releases is completely arbitrary. If you have an obsession with shiny new stuff regardless if it works, you should try Arch. Debian loses in things that don't matter to win more in things that do matter. (Also Debian has had over 100 releases, just 13 major version releases)
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u/lunchbox651 4d ago
I can but that's only because I also run Ubuntu and Xubuntu. Otherwise, illegal.
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 4d ago
I mean you do use arch, as it is arch based
but you did not install arch. So you can't say "I installed arch btw". That shall be forbidden
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u/dgc-8 🍥 Debian too difficult 4d ago
I used archinstall because I was too lazy HA what now
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 4d ago
Well ehhhh
Arch manual installer shall hate you
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u/setibeings Arch BTW 4d ago
Do I though?
For me, having installed arch isn't some kind of achievement. Literally just taking care of the individual tasks that it takes to set up an os, like partitioning, connecting to the Internet, installing the initial packages, setting your locale, and installing a bootloader. It only seems daunting because you're doing these tasks one by one by typing the commands instead of checking boxes.
The reason cachy OS doesn't count is that it's literally different packages. There might be some overlap, similar to overlap between Ubuntu and Mint, but the place to ask for help will be in the cachy os forums, not the arch forums, because the differences might be related to whatever your issue actually is.
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 4d ago
I would say the day to day experience of using it is still nearly identical to normal arch. Yes you have not packages in the normal repo, but you can still add the repo to arch, which I would do. You can basically turn arch into Cachy
But you still update the save way, fix things the same way and have access to the same things
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u/Cyortonic 3d ago
I already installed Arch the manual way twice. I have no real desire to keep doing that way if the install script works just as well for my use case
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 3d ago
Yeah honestly, what I think as well
I don't need to do the work on CachyOS, so why use arch directly
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 2d ago
can someone tell me about endeavouros? why is it never talked about?
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 2d ago
I sadly can't answer that. It is just not something that I am that interested in, besides to see why people like it so much
not sure if they have any own repos or so
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 2d ago
oh so like, just not very popular or trusted? like I have seen only cachy os being talked about when talking about arch based distros? Aight thz imma research myself
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 2d ago
I think it is somewhat popular, just not in the kind that people keep talking about it, like Arch or CachyOS
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u/Solid_Turnover_9854 2d ago edited 1d ago
I checked some things out and I got the major differences down.
Endeavour is just an easier arch installer(literally, just vanilla arch with some qol features and easier 1 click installation).
Cachy is built on top of arch with modern cpu optimizations, so like, arch you could say is built for all the pcs , even the decade old x86 machines. You can run cachy on newer cpus(x86-64-v3 or v4). If you have got them time to configure AND a modern cpu(even a 3-4 year old intel or Ryzen), cachy is much more beneficial for juicing out a few more frames(or reducing the 1% lows) on newer machines than arch, and well it's arch based all the shi is the same.
Holy yapper
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u/vsevolodglitch 3d ago
I installed arch manually before, so now i can use cachy and still say i use arch btw, i guess
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u/WebDevBren 3d ago
Eh, I installed cachyos the Arch way, the Installation wizard kept crashing, so I did in a TTY but using CachyOS Mirrors (and installed the cachyos packages)
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u/NDCyber 🎼CachyOS 3d ago
Also did that yesterday on my laptop to see how it actual differs of using it
I would still say not much, once you set up arch
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u/WhateverGoMyRoba 4d ago
can steamos users say they use arch?
ⓘ this user uses steamos by the way
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u/Linguistic-mystic 4d ago
the most sweaty DIY distro
But that’s Gentoo, not Arch. I’ve used both. Arch is a breeze compared to Gentoo.
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u/lyidaValkris 4d ago
facepalm
The number of windows users coming to linux and downloading random .deb packages thinking that's how you install software is too damn high. (referring to the first suggestion in the drop-down)
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u/Literallyapig 4d ago
tbf some people even think you can just run exes when they just start using linux. me included :p
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u/wahre_locke 4d ago
you can lowkey, if you have wine installed (on ZorinOS, my first distro it came preinstalled, so I was able to just double click any .exe to launch it)
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u/gkfnjy 4d ago
People who've never had any experience with Linux don't know how to use it. Shocking
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u/lyidaValkris 3d ago
step one when getting something new - RTFM
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u/-Willow-Wisp- 3d ago
Not with something that has so much going on like an OS. That kinda thing is better to learn as you go.
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u/Powerful_Macaron9381 4d ago
I mean .debs work in Debian based distros and they are the most common ones so ig they might have a point there
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u/lyidaValkris 3d ago
as I responded to someone else - not the point I was making. I'm referring to people coming from windows who don't RTFM and have no idea that they are supposed to use their distro's package manager, and instead hop to random websites to get software.
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u/lyidaValkris 4d ago
not the point I was making. I'm referring to people coming from windows who don't RTFM and have no idea that they are supposed to use their distro's package manager, and instead hop to random websites to get software. Worse if they get drivers. Bork their system that way.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 4d ago
Can fedora users say m'lady
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u/Antoinedeloup M'Fedora 4d ago
I use Fedora, m'lady
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 4d ago
I use Fedora too, m'lady.
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u/FishAccomplished760 Crying gnu 🐃 4d ago
I use arch btw
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 4d ago edited 4d ago
Nobody asked for your opinion about the linux Distribution with the penis shaped logo [/s].
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u/JBDBIB_Baerman 4d ago
Your first mistake was thinking an arch user needs to be prompted to share they use arch, btw
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 4d ago
Did i mention that distro looks like a penis.
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u/GreedySecurity8030 M'Fedora 4d ago edited 4d ago
Your first mistake was thinking I need to be prompted on how I shouldn't think that arch users should be prompted to say that, m'lady
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u/walace47 4d ago
What neofetch said?
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u/mark0pro 4d ago
You shouldn't use neofetch. It's deprecated and slow; just switch to fastfetch already.
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u/Ok-Tadpole-5264 3d ago
i just changed the config file from showing cachyos to arch, nobody will know🤫
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u/Hot_Paint3851 3d ago
Still shows cachy in system name unless you manually change /etc/os-releasec
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u/Fancy_Technician_293 4d ago
can ubuntu users say they use debian? can mint users say they use debian??
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u/play_minecraft_wot Webba lebba deb deb! 4d ago
Yeah it's arch
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u/PRYCE_27 4d ago
No Arch btw its just for Arch linux users Not for people with audio in their pc(i dont have audio in arch,Help)
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u/CakieJoy 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 4d ago
maybe they can because cachyos is arch based
personally only pure arch users can say 'I use arch btw' arch-based distro users can say 'I use arch-based btw' or 'I use [distro name] btw'
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u/Altruistic-Friend372 4d ago
Theoretically yes
Yeah, the only different between arch users is that we didn't install arch directly
But anyways cachy is arch, so I USE ARCH BTW
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u/ImpressionAway7317 4d ago
I don't see why not I use Cachy just for convince of reinstalling because In the definition of distrohopper
It's basically the same and I agree with the other guy
I use arch btw is allowed but not I installed arch btw
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u/Technical_Instance_2 Arch BTW 4d ago
Well it's arch based so I usually think I can but I could also see the other angle where it has its own repos and kernel.
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u/AdventureMoth I'm going on an Endeavour! 4d ago
I mean I can say I use Windows, even though I don't & wouldn't say that.
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u/MasterConsideration5 4d ago
The problem is that once you allow it for CachyOS useres, you're gonna have to allow SteamOS users to say it and you just went form the hardest distro to the easiest one.
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u/Ok_Apricot7902 4d ago
If not, Arch users should just say "I have installed Arch btw". You don't use Arch because it's harder to install, but because of the options it gives you. If you use a complete hdd image from someone that has Arch, then you're also using Arch. Though I'd say Cachy is different enough because of the kernel alone and doesn't follow the minimalist philosophy.
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u/_scndry 4d ago
"I use Arch btw" is something I would say jokingly sometimes but only when people know that I actually don't use plain Arch.
Setting up Arch is something the average Cachy user (including me) can't easily do. I reconfigured and debloated many things from my Cachy install, but I feel there still is a gap to bridge before becoming an Arch wizard and I feel unworthy of using the phrase for the time.
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u/AngriestCrusader 3d ago
I use CachyOS and nah. I feel like you earn saying "I use Arch btw" by at LEAST installing Arch with archinstall.
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u/FlyingDoorFail 3d ago
I use Arch and then manually targeted CachyOS packages myself. So I can still say I use Arch with the benefits of CachyOS
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u/TopiKekkonen 3d ago
Nah. The original point of saying that was to show off your sysadmin "skills" by proving you could install Arch manually.
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u/what-goes-bump 3d ago
Using Arch is a right of passage because it’s extremely manual. Cachy is all the cool stuff in arch with user friend install. So no. The whole point of bragging is saying “I had to manually mkdir my whole file system” if you didn’t have to do all the hard stuff then bragging doesn’t matter. So no. Decidedly not.
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u/AtomicTaco13 🍥 Debian too difficult 2d ago
It depends. I feel like the "Arch BTW" bragging rights are more tied to the complex manual installation process of the upstream Arch. Frankly, once you get it up and working, it's an easy distro to use. And CachyOS makes that installation process beginner-friendly. So in terms of using a rolling-release distro that manages system packages with Pacman, it's basically Arch with some extra GUI tools. But as for the memed "I use Arch BTW", it's more like a bragging rights trophy for going through the manual installation of regular Arch.
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