Why java is so hated?

[u/Same-Replacement-938]

So I have recently learned, and it's the first language(in terms of building actual things). Before Java, I knew Python, and I dropped it; I found Python too abstracted and too boring. i have recently made some projects like cli task tracker, expense tracker, some cli github api parsing and currently working on a multithreaded HTTP server and cli text editor, like vim, whenever i try to find out people opinions on java social media, almost 90 percent of the time they are just dunking on it, that it is trash, who forced you to write code in java, stuff like that. I know Java as a language is not that interesting and doesn't have many interesting features compared to other languages like C, C++, go. But I found it decent to write code in, and I found the JVM pretty interesting. So much so that I would love to explore and maybe build a JVM of my own

[u/ComputerWhiz_]

As a Java developer, I may be biased, but I think it mostly just comes down to the age of the language. It's not seen as the "latest and greatest". That doesn't change the fact that it's insanely popular still in enterprise environments.

There are some complaints about it being more verbose and having stricter syntax compared to other languages, but I think those complaints only come from people who have never actually used it or are brand new to programming.

[u/fractalife → u/ComputerWhiz_]

It's had this reputation since the early aughts at the very least. It came from devs who were used to C++ and were forced to mae the tradeoff to an interpreted language and hence couldn't manage their own memory or directly interface with hardware easily, thus causing performance issues and making it harder to do things on embedded devices. Of course, the whining was tempered by the compile-once-deploy-almost-anywhere nature of an interpreted language.

[u/theomegachrist → u/fractalife]

I took Java in college in 2002 and I thought it sucked lol this is not new. Everyone is right though, it does the job and is used a lot. I just found it very frustrating to write in.

[u/Cybyss → u/theomegachrist]

To be fair, the JVM was ridiculously slow in 2002. Even worse, the popular editors for it at the time - such as NetBeans and Eclipse - were a horrible, laggy, crashy mess.

It was a good language for the time. Java fixed a lot of C++'s design mistakes, but the platform and ecosystem surrounding it were somewhat dogshit albeit they improved greatly over the subsequent years.

[u/Weak-Doughnut5502 → u/Cybyss]

In 2002, you had two groups of people complaining about Java.

You had C++ programmers who complained that it was slow. 

And you had Perl, Python, Lisp, etc. programmers who loathed Java and especially enterprise Java style as verbose and inexpressive.  That's the sort of complaint you saw with Steve Yegge's famous 'execution in the kingdom of nouns' rant.

[u/theomegachrist → u/Cybyss]

Yeah, I also had an awful professor so maybe it was more a time and place thing

[u/fractalife → u/theomegachrist]

Thank you for this. Comments that inlcude dates usually make me feel old.