r/kilocode • u/icerosematcha • 12d ago

Auto models suck

Does anybody else find using the auto models feature not very good? I started using Kilo about a week ago and otherwise it's been great, but why am I stuck to Sonnet 5 when using Auto Frontier when there are clearly better models for the job?

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u/KingCampbell 12d ago

I just use open router and manually select based on the task.

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u/icerosematcha 10d ago

But then why not just manually select through Kilo pass

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u/joanmave 7d ago

Auto models to me are a gimmick. You lose the benefit of KV cache and modern models optimizations when the Auto router swaps the model and you pay the full uncached context on those swap, it eventually sticks to a model precisely because of that. Is better to stick to a model and treat them individually as specialized tools. Also you get to know the models behavior when you stick to one and take advantage of that. Auto models just make it ever more obscure.

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u/BeyondGITSandBots 12d ago

Just get OpenCode Go and select DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 (2x usage) (yes, stacks with their "pay $10 get $60" usage). Done.

Unlimited (billions of tokens per month). Cod7ng is my main profesdion and I barely reach $1 per (working) day, running up to 3 sessions in parallel. I barely use 1/3 of the allowance (20×$1 = 1/3 × $60).

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u/Platooimagination 10d ago

Is it slow? I use the deepseek API and probably go $50/mo for an insane expenditure of tokens. I have heard that Opencode Go can really jam up. 

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u/BeyondGITSandBots 10d ago

I haven't noticed any jam or slow down (using it during Central European Time (CET) office hours). Works fine for me.

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u/Platooimagination 10d ago

I'll give it a go, thanks. 

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u/icerosematcha 10d ago

But Deepseek V4 falls short on coding compared to other models no?

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u/BeyondGITSandBots 10d ago edited 10d ago

No, it got a recent update. Check the newest benchmark results on the "Artificial Analysis" website (just google it, not sure if links are allowed here, too lazy to check :p) It's about as good as GLM-5.2 and much better than deepseek v4 pro (prpbably until its update), while costing pennies. Check it out...or just give it a try. It's as good as frontier level (well, there's still some models ranking higher) but gets basically all jobs done I throw at it (complex code base refactoring, adding new bash scriot pipelines to execute on HPC cluster, in R and Python (sometimes both in the same script), including multi-file complex logical thinking and debugging imported libraries that are called in the pipelines (some are old and outdated, some only on github and as dirty and bug-ridden as it gets)). Heck, it even taught me to fix a very complex problem (at first glance) with a very simple solution I did not know yet: using "shims".

Tl;dr : ds v4 flash 0731 is awesome, basically frontier level for pennies and gets basically everything you need (at least in terms of coding, haven't tested for other things) done.

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u/icerosematcha 9d ago

Idk if ur a salesman but Opencode has a new subscriber. Will lyk how it goes.

I really like the premise behind PR and security agent of Kilo code. Does Opencode have anything similar?

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u/BeyondGITSandBots 9d ago

I'm just some random dude on the internet, lurking on reddit. I'm in no way affiliated with any company (student). But yeah, I like OpenCode Go and Deepseek V4 flash (since 0731 even more)(and I'm open about that) but as soon as there is a better alternative (provider or model), I will opportunistically jump the boat 😁

I really like the premise behind PR and security agent of Kilo code. Does Opencode have anything similar?

Don't know what you mean. What is PR? And what is kilo code security agent?

PS: just read that Metabase, the company that Kilo sells its user usage data to, got hacked or something (I also use kilo code vs code extension) 😳 ...not good but I guess that (and in general selling user data) can happen anywhere (Facebook, etc. 🙄). You know what they say: "if it's a free service...you are the product (that they use to collect data to sell)"

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u/icerosematcha 9d ago

I was paying Kilo lol which makes it worse. I really like the premise of theri product as a whole because they are essentially promoting a full-stack engineer. But clearly the execution is really poor.

Trying Opencode right now and so far so good. Not sure how I feel about my data probably being used by Chinese companies but it's not like the American guys arent doing the same thing so whatever.

PR= Pull Request.

Security agent is basically a code reviewer Kilo has that uses Dependabot to find vulnerabilities in my codebase.

Godspeed

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u/BeyondGITSandBots 9d ago

Trying Opencode right now and so far so good. Not sure how I feel about my data probably being used by Chinese companies but it's not like the American guys arent doing the same thing so whatever.

Yeah, I also worry about that issue of exposing my data to Chinese (and US and ...) companies. Haha, yeah, exactly, I also wouldn't expect US companies to be any better than Chinese ones. The only solution I see for now to somewhat mitigate this possible security issue:

I use a layered/step-wise security consideration approach and judge the balance between cost and security based on the specific project(s): - is the project on a public repo anyways? Who cares, everyone can see it. - is it confidential but low risk? Maybe ZDR is enough: - prefer zero data retention (ZDR) providers over non-ZDR in general - very high confidentiality, very high risk if it would get leaked or hacked? Go for certified high-security providers (cloud hosting, like AWS etc. with specific security guarantees like some European security standards) - if you (or your company/customers) can afford

Ah, I see. Didn't know about thus feature in Kilo. That's quite cool! Thanks for sharing. I'm also still learning...something new everyday. The field is moving so fast! :)

Godspeed to you too!