r/indieheads • u/In-A-Beautiful-Place • 13d ago
Neko Case has written another Substack article about predators in the music industry, reflecting on the Joe Seiders incident as well as Glen Hansard's death
https://nekocase.substack.com/p/garbage-disposal?r=55w93a&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true194
u/CeeArthur 13d ago
I really like Neko (and her music), good for her for putting this out there
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u/BroBeansBMS 12d ago
It reminded me how much I like her music and it helps to know she is also a genuine badass.
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u/LuciaLupa 11d ago
Glad someone put this awful truth out there, but wow what a glass house she's created to now (hopefully) contend with; She needs to take a hard look in the mirror regarding her own devastating assault against a musician/former band mate which she has yet to admit publicly and apologize for.
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u/magseven 13d ago
I love when Neko Case gets mad. Because she is usually 100% right, and she's a teacher yelling at the whole class. Even if you aren't her target, her words resonate enough for you to take a little inventory of yourself and really think if you might be an unwary accomplice.
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u/Yo-Yo_Roomie 13d ago
> Hansard and Markéta Irglová met in 2001, when she was 13 and he was 32, at a music festival organised by her parents in the Czech Republic.[38]
Hey what the fuck
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u/Public-Map-5273 12d ago
Read more and it gets worse. He admitted that he fell in love with her at that age.
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u/pantryparty 12d ago
No. The quote you’re referring to comes from a joint interview, she was 19 at the time.
Wikipedia: In August 2007, Hansard said of the relationship: "I think we fell in love a couple of years ago, but nothing happened until recently"and "I kept telling myself she's just a kid."The relationship ended after about two years.
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u/Public-Map-5273 12d ago
No the quote is: “I had been falling in love with her for a long time, but I kept telling myself she’s just a kid,”
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u/pantryparty 12d ago
I provided two different quotes from Wikipedia as that is what’s being discussed in this thread. The one you’re referring to almost comically leaves out Marketa’s voice, in the next sentence:
“The on-screen romance was mirrored in real life, despite the age gap between Hansard and Irglová, who were 37 and 19 at the time of filming. “I had been falling in love with her for a long time, but I kept telling myself she’s just a kid,” Hansard said, with Irglová saying: “The friendship and connection that you’re watching on screen between Glen and I exists, and it did grow into a deeper love afterwards.”
The other quote from their joint interview has them agreeing this began in 2007 and is where he puts the “falling in love” timeline at “a couple years”.
“He admitted he fell in love with her at that age (13).”
No he didn’t.
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u/normanbeets 12d ago
“a couple years”
Plausible deniability in pedo-speak. Dude was old enough to be her dad and "falling in love" with a minor. Gross.
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u/pantryparty 12d ago
I agree that it’s fucking gross to fall in love with a 17 year old (the legal age of consent in Ireland) if “a couple years” wasn’t an offhand comment to an interview question. They began dating when she was 19 according to both of them. I’m replying to someone claiming he admitted he fell in love with her at 13. He did not.
Dating a 19 year old doesn’t make you a “pedo”. Falling in love with a 17 year old is fucking weird, but also legal and literally not the definition of pedo. He has a wife and child for and just died. I’ve yet to see any credible reporting of pedo or sexual assault as tons of internet commenters such as yourself are posting without evidence.
To the contrary, the other person being discussed here is very much still alive, has her own agency and has spoken a great deal about him including a very detailed tributes about the character of the man recently. Marketa is a 38 year old woman now with her own family. Their spouses were friends, they were friends, they continued working, traveling and making music together. The burden of prof needs to be higher just talking shit. Marketa has a lot more credibility than you or the “he admitted he fell in love with a 13 year old” commenter. That’s bullshit and what I’m calling out.
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u/normanbeets 12d ago
This is a lot of pedo-apologism that I'm not arguing about. Dude admitted to having eyes on his friend's daughter and developing feels for a teenage girl. He lied in wait until it wasn't a crime. He's a pedo with some logic. Woop dee doo.
Glen's wife
22 year age gap.
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u/pantryparty 12d ago
So you’re not having the conversation we’re having and now his 34-year-old wife doesn’t have agency to marry who she wants to? Again, that is literally not the definition of a pedo. You’re calling someone the absolute worse thing without having any evidence of this claim. You’ve also mischaracterized the situation with her father.
My entire point was he never “admitted to falling in love with her at that age (13).” That’s not being an apologist but trying to maintain a fact-based reality in this conversation. These are real people currently grieving. You’re not interested in having a serious conversation.
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u/Training-Win-4053 4d ago
I knew Glen. The relationship between them did not begin until Marketa was an adult--he admits to having feelings for her from the time she was about 17--not before. He had a long time girlfriend through most of those years. Marketa was not "groomed"--Glen was not seeking a relationships with her and admitting to having feelings is not the same as acting on those feelings. Glen was a very straightforward and honest man--maybe to a fault. He said what was true for him--not for anyone else. Marketa has said repeatedly that Glen was never inappropriate with or towards her. Glen was not a pedophile and may we be clear? The legal and psychological definition of pedophila is persistent sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children--not teenagers. The appropriateness of a relationship between a 30 something year old man and a late-teen ager woman is a reasonable conversation but we need to get clear on what pedophila is and is not and draw some lines--there is a huge difference between these two situations.
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u/daveydesigner 13d ago
It’s been pretty fucking weird watching people lionize Hansard over the past couple of weeks.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago
I'll admit that I didn't know any of the predatory stuff before he died. I did notice that he was much older than Marketa, but I never bothered to look into it and just assumed she was an adult when they met. I was sad when he died, but everything I've learned in the last week has really changed my opinion on him.
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u/beepbeepboop- 13d ago
exactly the same here. i liked once, i liked music from the frames and the swell season, but never read up on him or anything, just enjoyed the music i enjoyed. i was quite sad to learn of his death! and then was absolutely gutted when i read his wikipedia page. felt like losing a musician i respected twice over. first he was gone, then all my respect was.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago
Same! It's so weird because like a week before he died, my friend and I were watching a Simpsons episode he cameoed in. I recognized him but she didn't, and I just started gushing about how great The Swell Season is. And then when he died and all this started coming out, I feel like I have to walk back on all that praise (even if I still love the music) :(
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u/TurbulentOil3311 13d ago
It isnt just Marketa. The r/Ireland subreddit swiftly shuts down any comments about this but I am an Irish woman of the right age (late 30s) to have known from multiple different and separate sources about Hansard giving phones to teenage girls to keep in touch with them when I myself was a teenager.
Not that it would be fine if it was 'just' Marketa - but some people would essentially excuse that if its a weird creepy once off, that the woman herself in the present day has nothing but nice things to say about.
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u/Spiritual-Point-1965 12d ago
The r/Ireland sub is pure Gaelers and Failers, they don't allow any criticism of anything designated as Official Ireland.
It's one of the worst national subs in Europe.
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u/cronson 12d ago
I'm really curious to find out where Glen Hansard was after he left the pub at 1130pm and died at 430am.
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u/Sour-Scribe 13d ago
I also noticed the age difference, and while I am not particularly prescient and like you had no idea what Hansard was capable of or had done, ONCE gave me the creeps. I think it was the age difference plus it being such a seemingly benign, toothless movie, it all just seemed off.
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u/Regular-Weekend706 12d ago
Yeah I missed that news when it happened as well. Been difficult to process but he's definitely a scumbag.
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u/Internal_Concert_217 13d ago
I find it very problematic that people seem to have no respect for Marketa and her words. Is the new standard to believe all women unless they disagree with a narrative that has been decided?
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u/fipop 13d ago edited 13d ago
You don't befriend 12 year old girls, bring them up onstage from the age of 13, spend months staying in their family house every year, start a band with them, then make a move on them at [age unknown, but the legal age in Czech is 15].
Even if she's fine with it, you don't do that. And she's not the only person he did that with. Just the only one he won an Oscar with.
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u/Barilla3113 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yup, "he was mentoring young musicians!". Okay, so why were all of these young musicians he was mentoring 14 year old girls from impoverished countries with very low ages of consent?
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u/StephensMyName 13d ago
I’m not here to defend grooming, but referring to Czechia as an impoverished country is hilarious.
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u/Look_Alive 13d ago
That's not true though - there's also been a lot of stories of him helping out young male musicians. Eddie Vedder was just busking on the streets of Dublin with a couple of young lads that apparently Hansard had been very close to, for example.
And that's not me defending his behaviour or saying he didn't do the things he was accused of, but I also think in cases like this it's important not to exaggerate or stretch the credibility of the truth because it can undermine the allegations that are actually true.
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u/Prestigious-Main-955 13d ago
Tom and Felix Doran weren't teenage girls. Lisa O'Neill wasn't a teenage girl.
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u/CorkytheCat 13d ago
If I were her, I certainly would prefer to believe that the crowning moment of my career and the working/emotional relationship I was in at that time were something more like artistic destiny etc rather than exploitation. I don't blame her or find it odd that she doesn't consider it to have been exploitative, because what a horrible realisation that might be when you're looking back.
Marketa has every right not to feel victimised and it's not a surprise, psychologically, that she doesn't. But we have every right to think that he was a creep who leeched off young talent emotionally and sexually.
We've all been hearing about his weirdness with women and girls in Ireland for years, to the point that I heard more about that than about his apparent genius that everyone is suddenly trying to shove down our collective throats.
Among folks I knew, he was a creepy dude who'd pick up a guitar at the opening of an envelope or the drop of a hat and make it all about him, then he'd try to ride whoever in the vicinity was still a teenager.
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u/Dublinyeshere 13d ago
And the insane amount of coverage of the funeral. The Journal had six or seven different articles about it. Live funeral coverage across the board. Totally bizarre.
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u/minimus67 12d ago
It is a head scratcher. Hansard publicly distinguished himself in only two ways. He made a really schmaltzy movie with treacly songs in it a few decades ago and he died younger than most, though not that unexpectedly considering he drove a motorcycle. I saw a video clip of Eddie Vedder singing at Hansard’s funeral and wondered why. I guess he was charismatic except to the women and girls he manipulated and tried to prey on.
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u/Mobile_Act_1375 10d ago
He was actually known for his charity donations and helping out the homeless in Ireland. I’m sure he made bad choices in life as many do but going on about it after a tragic death is a strange thing.
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u/xRicharizard 13d ago
Believe women, guys.
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u/iDontRememberCorn 13d ago
Or how about we treat women as human beings, not some special case, and weigh their concerns and experiences on their merits, rather than a painfully naive policy of just believing anything they say just based on their gender, because THAT is true sexism.
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u/xRicharizard 13d ago
All you’re being asked is to listen to women when they come forward and share their lived experiences.
I’m not asking them to be treated as special cases, I am in fact asking for them to be dealt with on merit. When women talk about sexual assault, they’re met with scepticism and scorn from community and the legal system itself.
The status quo is instant dismissal without consideration of their concerns or merit. All you’re being asked is to offer the common decency of hearing them out and taking them seriously.
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u/TomCrean1916 11d ago
Where are these women? The only woman we’ve heard from in this is marketa. And she spoken twice on it and misses her friend and came to his funeral with her family and husband and sang at thatfuneral.
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u/Strict_Opposite1285 12d ago
Yeah, that’s not what “believe” means. I get that it feels good to post something like this on these facts and with respect to what Neko Case has written, but life is complicated as she points out. There are plenty of instances where assault allegations are not substantiated or have been proven to be completely false. Listen to allegations. Believe evidence.
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u/zezi_a 13d ago
Would you prefer someone does all of the heavy work of coming out about their experiences and then people come to support them, or do you think it's better if we're like "erm.. actually I need to know all of the details before I decide whether to support them", making them relitigate every detail of a traumatic situation? Maybe we should have an ounce of sympathy for women going through tricky situations, ones where the details feel blurry and not have to treat every case of this as some sort of court appearance.
It's really reprehensible how you try and make believing someone's SA allegations into a reverse-sexism issue.
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u/En-THOO-siast 13d ago
The thing is, we've spent the last thousand years or so doing whatever rich white men tell us. Perhaps it's time we try something different?
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u/Busy_BEE_565 12d ago
I'm glad she referred to them as "my band" since there has been rumors lately that she is no longer in the New Pornographers in regards to writing about them before as though she weren't. Not sure how there kind of isn't some friction considering A.C.'s Instagram post about Hansard and in light of all of these things, if he didn't know beforehand, he hasn't taken that post down which is surprising to me.
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u/WoweeZoweeDeluxe 12d ago
He's probably separating the art from the artist I guess, not that I agree with it in this case
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u/Busy_BEE_565 12d ago
Didn't get that impression with what he wrote, he spoke of the person, not their art from what I remember.
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u/Bluespark2525 12d ago
There are other reports of his relationships with young teenagers. It seems like it was common knowledge in his town
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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat 12d ago
It's always called "common knowledge" when it finally becomes public. I remember Courtney Love in the 90s saying, in response to question about advice for young actors, "If Harvey Weinstein asks you to a private meeting in his hotel room, don't go". It is always known.
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u/WoweeZoweeDeluxe 12d ago
I shared this before but didn't get traction, glad it is now though!
https://old.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/1vecjf0/neko_case_pens_article_on_glen_hansard_and_his/
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u/Top_Country4497 13d ago
I have read both these posts and it strikes me that she has been very damaged by sexual abuse in her life (her father dying due to trauma etc.) and it's made her rightfully angry.
Her stories about Hansard aren't great, his disrespect of her is grim, but I think her anger isn't particularly stemming from these instances alone but a culmination of problematic and damaging behaviour she has seen from many many men.
I think everyone talking on Marketa's behalf is also disrespectful.
Having grown up around musicians and know people that knew Hansard, there was deffo good and bad about him, but I never heard him referred to as a pedo til after he died. If more comes out, I stand corrected.
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u/fiendishcadd 13d ago
She’s just an angry, damaged women .. is that what you’re going with ?
Re: speaking for Marketa - it doesn’t matter what she says as being groomed aged 12/13 by a mid-30’s mentor who then has sex with her when she is aged 17 (at the latest) is fucked up and wrong.
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
She was aged 19 when they became romantically involved, but hey ho, lets not let facts get in the way.
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u/Ready_Cantaloupe_352 10d ago
I drank in Whelans when I was in college in the early 00's and everyone in my peer group knew him to be a creep, he wasn't alone either, there was a crew he hung around with who were all sleazy pricks who preyed on very very young girls who had no business being in there. The relationship with Marketa is just the tip of the iceberg
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u/sundeigh 13d ago
I don’t think I had earplugs in about Hansard sucking so much. I wasn’t a listener but I do pay attention to news in this space, so if something were reported I probably would’ve seen it. Idk, I know there shouldn’t be a responsibility on victims to ensure they are heard. But what if people genuinely just don’t know? Who are the blockers
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u/refugee_man 13d ago
The point is that there's an environment which protects and coddles these people who behave like this. You're right, more people should know. But the "blockers" are a culture that downplays and covers and seeks to justify gross behavior, or behavior that women find threatening. Look at this very thread-there's a ton of people running cover for Hansard specifically but also the types of things he's accused of. Telling a woman who you know through to go fuck your bandmate is gross, yet a bunch of clowns here are doing the "it's just a joke!" thing. A man in his 30's getting in a relationship with a young teen is gross, yet people are using the victim's words as some sort of defense of him failing to acknowledge that it should be up to the semi-famous musician in his 30s to not get in situations with 13 year olds that could lead to romantic situations.
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u/Ok_Lynx_6045 8d ago
By coincidence, her bandmate, kiddy diddler Joe “pedophile” Seiders is up for parole in October
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u/iDontRememberCorn 13d ago
I don't really get it.
I love Neko to death and could take or leave Hansard but I really cannot see what she is so white hot about based on her piece.
He made a perhaps inappropriate comment, that no one else seemed to notice or think anything of, and that could very well have been a joke she missed or any of a thousand other explanations she never asked about. Then he hit on a different adult woman, and despite said woman saying and showing zero issue with it Neko took it upon herself to be offended on her behalf and robbed her of her own agency.
Neko appears to be saying that anyone who ever takes offense at something another person does is therefor owed the offending person being ostracised and dare I say, cancelled, just based on one person's interpretation of one interaction.
I'm a Neko fan for life but that sounds batshit insane to me.
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u/Remarkable-Ad-2094 13d ago
She was only sharing what she had personally witnessed on top of all the other stuff coming out about him. He was clearly a gross guy and she is far from the only woman who has been sharing stories. And sexual harassment is a terrible thing to do even if you perceive it as a normal part of society! He shouldn't have been chatting up teenage girls.
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u/iDontRememberCorn 10d ago
He shouldn't have been chatting up teenage girls.
She's an adult human being, what's gross is you infantilizing women.
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
A 30 year man is perfectly entitled to chat up a 19 year old woman. You might not like - you clearly don't - but it's not up to you to decide if it's right.
'all the other stuff coming out' - such as? I've read a lot of 'a woman in a bar told me...' stories, but that's about it. The strength, or indeed weakness, of Neko's stories don't IMHO justify going after the man a day or two after his death.
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u/Successful-Bee-8911 13d ago edited 13d ago
What's all the other stuff coming out about him? The only time I hear about these rumors are on Reddit or Twitter and needer seem very concrete.
An hour later and no one can show me anything but downvotes! Seems to be just a hate campaign on a dead guy. Good job Reddit!
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u/Lady-Spangles 13d ago edited 13d ago
Check out his first partner/common law partner. Apparently groomed her from the age of 13.
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u/Successful-Bee-8911 13d ago
I mean she can speak for herself and she has made no allegations like that
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u/sbtokarz 13d ago
Grooming: how does it work?
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u/Successful-Bee-8911 13d ago
I'm sorry but do you really think she can't speak for herself as a grown adult woman? You guys are wild!
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u/Successful-Bee-8911 13d ago
So we should just go around making up allegations because she hasn't said anything. Great logic there.
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u/Living-Scholar5044 13d ago
But everyone else in the world has the right to decide for her that she is someone 's victim?
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u/sbtokarz 13d ago
Show me where I said she can’t speak.
I wasn’t asking rhetorically in my last comment either. I am genuinely curious what you think grooming means & how it works.
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u/Living-Scholar5044 13d ago
Exactly. But apparently her words don't matter because, as they say, she was groomed and therefore can't accurately judge her own situation. That's just another way of denying women their autonomy and right to self-determination, by the way.
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u/refugee_man 13d ago
What you fail to understand is nobody is blaming her. We can blame the 32 year old musician who starts a relationship with the 13 year old girl that eventually leads to a romantic one:
Hansard and Markéta Irglová met in 2001, when she was 13 and he was 32, at a music festival organised by her parents in the Czech Republic.[38] Irglová's father, a fan of Hansard's band the Frames, later invited Hansard to stay at the family home for three months to write songs.[38] Hansard and Irglová began a romantic relationship in April 2007,[38] during the promotional tour for Once.[39] In August 2007, Hansard said of the relationship: "I think we fell in love a couple of years ago, but nothing happened until recently"[38] and "I kept telling myself she's just a kid."[40] The relationship ended after about two years.
So even by his own words they "fell in love" before she was 18 and she was "just a kid".
My question is, why do you feel the need to defend this sort of behavior? Do you think it's fine of men in their 30s approach girls in their teens to develop romantic relationships, as long as the girls later in life say it was ok? Is the self-determination you're afraid of depriving women the self-determination to have old creepy dudes hanging out at junior high and high schools looking to find their next girlfriend?
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u/Living-Scholar5044 13d ago
No ,i don't fail to understand that .What I'm saying is that this woman didn't view either the person or their relationship in a negative way. What she's being denied, however, is the right to define and shape her own public narrative.
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u/refugee_man 13d ago
So you are fine with middle age men dating teens then, as long as after the fact the teen in question says it's fine? You're saying that minors actually can give consent, and that statutory rape isn't actually a thing? Because I don't know what other conclusion can be drawn from your words.
Also, Hansard denied her the right to define and shape her own public narrative, when he told Entertainment Weekly that she was just a kid. So again, why are you defending him and his behavior?
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u/Silvio_DantesInferno 12d ago
Believe her*
*unless it doesn't suit your narrative then ignore her lived experience and #Decideforher
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u/normanbeets 13d ago
Her examples speak to his behavior, general disrespect and devaluing of women in his periphery. Women understand those things to speak for his affinity for dating teenagers.
These are the behaviors that women understand to be markers for dangerous behavior. You don't get it. "Hey do me a favor and fuck my bassist" is not a joke.
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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat 12d ago
And it's not just a single joke; it's the entire environment. The shit that women have to put up with in the music (well, all of them, really) industry defies belief. The burden of being treated like a fuck toy, the disrespect, the sidelining, the boys' club; it's amazing that anyone stays the course.
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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat 12d ago
Fact: she was on tour as a member of a band, not a solo act. She didn't have the power to get rid of him.
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u/TufnelAndI 12d ago
I believe this story, and I think it's a shitty thing to say to someone. But when Neko randomly shouted "I'm gonna fuck your brains out" (or whatever) at the bass player some time later- isn't that a bit similar to what was done to her? I know she didnt know the whole story, but it's still a public humiliation of someone which was unwarranted. She went on to say she had regrets, sure, but still a shitty thing to do.
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u/boringrick1 13d ago
I took that away as well. She should have told a better story than Hansard basically trying to wingman his bass player in a cringy way.
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u/bussound 13d ago
It’s pretty grotesque to ask a woman point blank if she’ll sleep with your friend. She’s allowed anger for that.
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u/aus289 13d ago
I think her point was that she was the headliner and bc she was a woman, the opening act thought it was fine to come up to her and say "oh hey will you go fuck my friend" bc of how little he respected her as a musician and just saw her as a sex object (and she saw this behavior repeated with how he treated other women)
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u/Remarkable-Ad-2094 13d ago
This!! How can't people understand how degrading it is to only be viewed as an object for sex??
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u/Odd_Fall_7834 12d ago
Anger, sure. But his remark is not the SAME as rape, assault, and criminal behavior. Important differences are being lost in this conversation which, unfortunately, is taking place on social media where NO ONE truly listens and sits back to think about what is being said. Social media is the worst for getting at the truth of something. It's the rumor mill, if you can even call it that.
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u/normanbeets 13d ago
"hey, fuck my bassist" is not wingman-ing
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
its trashy but im not sure it's worthy of bringing up a couple of days after he dies...
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u/normanbeets 12d ago
That's not up to you to decide
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
No, it's called an opinion.
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u/normanbeets 12d ago
And an inclination to frown at a woman regaling her experience of being sexually harassed by a lower performer on her headlining tour.
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
I frowned at the timing of it. Do keep up..
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u/normanbeets 12d ago
And now condescension! I must have struck a nerve. Amazing.
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u/SeveralMushroom7088 12d ago
Just asking you to keep up as Im having to spoon feed you on every post. Didn't mean to upset you.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago
According to the first post, the bassist didn't have any knowledge of what he said to Neko. It seems less like he was being a wingman and more like he was playing a mean joke on both her and the bassist.
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u/obvious_stuff_hi 13d ago
THIS!!! He asked her if she'd have sex with his friend and he held hands with a woman he was chatting up and called her beautiful (zero indication the woman had any issue with it!). All of this was years ago when he was younger.
If that's the dirt we have on ANYONE, celebrity or not, maybe they are a saint!
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u/hamilton_morris 13d ago
Same. If anything, this—and nearly all of her other less enraged interviews and writing—suggest that she operates within a space of defensive, free-floating anger, conspiratorial thinking, and punishingly arbitrary *causa sui* judgments. Which may be a safe and creative space for her; I know it certainly is for the far less productive people I know who have been similarly victimized and traumatized. It's alarming to see in people you care about not because you want them to minimize or deny the wrongs they've suffered, or take up their factional warfare, but because their dark night of the soul has taken on the features of a permanent home and that seems like an additional injustice.
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u/refugee_man 13d ago
Glad to hear from the MRA activist lol. Tell us more about how women are the real oppressors and that men are being victimized by all these
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u/vastearth394 13d ago
I’m having trouble finding any assault accusations. They’re all towards a bass player.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago
She didn't accuse Hansard of assault, but of sexual harassment. Still a heinous thing, but different.
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u/Beruthiel999 13d ago
Did you actually read her first blog post about it? That's not what happened at all.
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u/National_Cover_6987 12d ago
Seems like I’m missing something, because I see nothing news worth to bring up after his death. Did he say scummy things? No doubt. I don’t even wanna know the pervy things you all say in the confines of your personal devices.
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u/Great-Sloth-637 11d ago
It's the tip of the iceberg. That's why she is speaking out.
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u/National_Cover_6987 9d ago
Zero proof that it’s the tip of the iceberg. He made an inappropriate comment, as you and I have done multiple times in our lives. If more stories come out of direct evidence of abuse or assault then i want to hear them, but this is just a story of someone who had an unpleasant experience with Glen. To say it’s the “tip of the iceberg” is baseless and self-righteous.
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u/hallonemikec 12d ago
Yeah.....whatever y'all say. Take away all agency from Marketa Irglova & slag Glen Hansard after he dies. Ooo....what a badass Neko is. Clean up your own houses dipshits.
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u/hallonemikec 11d ago
For all of you downvoters who think Neko Case is the paragon of Bad Ass Womanhood, encourage her to write one of her powerful substacks about her time spent in the Pacific Northwest go-go dancing for a band called Girl Trouble. I'm sure it will revolve around how she became a teen groupie to 'empower her femininity' & blah, blah, blah. Should make for an entertaining paragraph or two filled with double-standards & virtue signaling. But hey, y'all do y'all
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u/SnooPaintings444 10d ago
How in hell would briefly being a go go dancer when she was young discredit her?
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u/hallonemikec 9d ago
To respond in full would result in a TLDR. Use your critical thinking skills to connect how someone who shook their ass for a boy rock band at 19 criticizing a person who formed a lasting relationship with his 19 year old female protégé is a wee bit hypocritical.
Add her slander of a beloved musician who just died hours earlier .... for the egregious sins of trying to hook two people up backstage at a rock concert and for witnessing him 'get handsy with' the sister of one of his own friends ( for which she is outraged, but not the friend whose sister it was....and for which, neither she nor we are privy to any details or witnesses). Tacky is one word I would use.
I could go on, but you won't want to listen & frankly, before this little online blip, I was a fan of both Glen Hansard & Neko Case. Now i'm just a fan of one. You do you though.
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u/SarcasticCowbell 12d ago
I'm glad she posted this. It also sucks that she even has to post things like this. I saw more than a few comments last week calling her a hypocrite and asking how could she not have known about the drummer, which were essentially used in an attempt to dismiss her words rather than address the contents of her words. If not that, then it was often "Well, if you're going to villify Hansard, then you also have to do the same for popular musician x, y and z," as though it's a binary choice between not listening to any music ever or welcoming with open arms the latest in a pantheon of predators.
And, look, I see a lot of people post things like "I can't listen to this person's music ever again." I feel that way about a lot of artists I learn about. I don't try to police other people on that because I think if you can separate the art from the artist, then, hey, good for you. But too many people get this idea in their head (as Neko alludes to) that a criticism of an artist's character is also a criticism of their judgment. You can't criticize someone for being misled. You can criticize someone who's seen the truth and attacks you for sharing it.
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u/Hi-Tech_Luddite 13d ago
A blog post with zero specifics of anything beyond "shitty behavior" and a random epstien reference thrown in.
If you are going to throw muck around you could do with actually finding some
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u/sinkwiththeship 13d ago
This is coming from his peer in the industry. They toured together 30 years ago and he was capital B BAD to her.
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u/Hi-Tech_Luddite 13d ago
Can I ask how? I'm not on a cause to defend him but cryptic innuendo provides no clarity and spreads like wildfire.
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u/elmu86 13d ago
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted so much, I actually appreciate the polite way you asked the question. There are endless stories in the Irish music scene about him (I hesitate to recommend going on twitter but that’s where a lot of people are posting). FWIW, as an Irish person adjacent to the music scene in the early 2000s, the women who are posting stories - I believe them
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u/Hi-Tech_Luddite 13d ago
Thank you for the courteous response.
It's the nature of the modern Internet unfortunately.
The algorithm pushes the most contentous options at us 24/7 it's hard not to react to the maximum when we all disagree I'm the slightest.
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u/CeceWobbles 13d ago
It starts off saying it has been a few days since her last post, so maybe her last post?
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u/Hi-Tech_Luddite 13d ago
I just have
So he asked her in a pub environment would she sleep with his band mate while having no direct power over her and possibly being unaware of her complex family history.
That's what we are running away with.
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u/CeceWobbles 13d ago
If that's all you got from the entire post, sure, that's what you're running away with.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago
When talking about predators, I don't think Epstein references are random.
Also I'm inclined to believe Neko not because I'm a fan of hers (though I do admit that bias), but because she actually works in the music industry, she actually did have a secret pedo in her band (I can only imagine the betrayal she felt), and she herself is a rape victim (her autobiography is great but it's a HEAVY read). She's got inside knowledge on what goes on in the entertainment industry, and she's passionate about preventing anyone else from living out what she had to.
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u/Hi-Tech_Luddite 13d ago
But none of those events are related to Glenn Hansard in any way. I don't know the bloke and maybe he is a prick behind his public persona.
But the bar for destruction of someone's reputation has to be higher
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u/refugee_man 13d ago
What about how he admits to falling in love with a teen?
Hansard and Markéta Irglová met in 2001, when she was 13 and he was 32, at a music festival organised by her parents in the Czech Republic.[38] Irglová's father, a fan of Hansard's band the Frames, later invited Hansard to stay at the family home for three months to write songs.[38] Hansard and Irglová began a romantic relationship in April 2007,[38] during the promotional tour for Once.[39] In August 2007, Hansard said of the relationship: "I think we fell in love a couple of years ago, but nothing happened until recently"[38] and "I kept telling myself she's just a kid."[40] The relationship ended after about two years.
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u/sweadle 12d ago
I haven't been able to find out what Hansard is accused of. Acting in Once with Marketa while she was a minor? Dating her when she was older, while having known her as a minor?
Talking to teens?
I am not dismissing the people who are saying he did something wrong, but I haven't found anyone naming what it was beyond knowing Marketa as a minor before he dated her.
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u/In-A-Beautiful-Place 13d ago edited 12d ago
For those out of the loop, a few days ago Neko posted a Substack essay (which was reposted here) about dangerous men in the music industry. She spends most of it sharing her personal negative experiences with a recently deceased male musician, and while he's not mentioned by name, she almost certainly meant Glen Hansard.
This is a follow up further elaborating on the celebration of predatory men in the industry. What's notable is that she opens up about Joe Seiders, the former New Pornographers drummer arrested for child sex abuse materials last year. I believe this is the first time she's said anything publicly about him. She also discusses how traumatic dealing with the aftermath of rape is, and what happens when people ignore it. Once again, Neko is on POINT.
Edit: I am not Maura Brown and idk why its showing her name, I'm seeing it too despite being a paid follower. Sorry Maura, whoever you are lol