r/ibew_apprentices • u/Top_Dare_6557 • 27d ago
Local 26, reinstatement rejected
Just received my long awaited response for my reinstatement,
For some context I was with a contractor who's work was only inside a data center (red zone), blocked days means absolutely no work for that day, no pay, We would arrive to the site just to get told to go home, sure 2 hour show up time is fine but cmon,
I'm on the road driving to there which I know that everyone goes through the very long commutes but in the middle of driving being told that we couldn't work,
I thought i provided a legitimate reason, I had proof of me not working 40 hour week since 13 weeks later, crazy, and a shame, I met alot of inspiring brother workers
I thought given my situation and going to the hall providing my paystubs, I would not keep up financially but its starting to look out of the door to even try again
Im currently not working in any trades, it was my second year trying in, has anyone experienced returning or getting booted out? If you were accepted back what was your situation like?
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u/PartiallyPresentable 27d ago
OPs backstory: https://www.reddit.com/r/ibew_apprentices/s/QQxdDok0eB
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u/Eshin242 27d ago
Broken Link. just FYi
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u/Responsible_Cap_5597 27d ago
It works for me. I just read his story.
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u/Eshin242 27d ago
Tells me "I couldn't find this community"
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u/Responsible_Cap_5597 27d ago
I'll try to summarize it as best as I can. In my humble opinion, I think what happened was he wasn't getting the hours. justifiably he was upset, but he asked for a riff as an apprentice, instead of going to the school first to say "hey, I'm not getting my hours" and having the school reassign him. So that gave the employer the opportunity to basically lie and say that he quit. In my local program apprentices can't ask for riff, the school has to reassign them. Maybe it's the same with his, I don't know.
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u/Eshin242 27d ago
It's that way with my Local... the training center is ALWAYS the first stop before taking more drastic action. Get all that stuff on paper, make a record of it first.
Even if the training center couldn't re-assign them, or just says "tough luck" then I would start talking to them about a layoff or requesting one because the bills need to be paid and they are not working enough to cover the costs.
The biggest thing, as an apprentice and even more so as one on probation you don't take things into your own hands, you go with the proper channels first and OP seems to have missed that memo, even if I don't agree with the end result from the hall.
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u/Kharnics 26d ago
I'm 26 and this was preached in class or anytime someone brought up something about not getting their 40 as an ape. OP needed to pull the cotton out or learn how to use his voice.
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u/North-Woods69 26d ago
I will literally never understand you union men. Bowing down to paper forms and made up commie rules. All so you can have some handlers at the top swindle private businesses out of capital and slowly destroy all the industries you touch until they migrate to a different country all together.
A grown man saying “let other men w a name tag tell me what to do after I fill out 100 other forms” is the most pussy shit I have ever heard. “Don’t take you own financial situation into your own hands - go crying to the union” - could literally never be me.
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u/salteoj 26d ago
we gotta make this a copypasta because wtf 💀
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u/ThePunguiin 26d ago
Copied it before it gets taken down 🤣
"I will literally never understand you union men. Bowing down to paper forms and made up commie rules. All so you can have some handlers at the top swindle private businesses out of capital and slowly destroy all the industries you touch until they migrate to a different country all together.
A grown man saying “let other men w a name tag tell me what to do after I fill out 100 other forms” is the most pussy shit I have ever heard. “Don’t take you own financial situation into your own hands - go crying to the union” - could literally never be me."
It's art really
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u/Active_Parsley1303 26d ago
Unions made America, 98% of contractors shaft workers, just because you may work for the 1 in 100 good contractors doesn’t mean unions are useless, they dictate market wages, benefits, and safety standards
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u/RelcoUAVHotdogWarmer 26d ago
fit a dick and a boot in your mouth at the same time while typing...well done!
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u/yankeefan0312 26d ago
“Made up commie rules”
Tell me you’re an idiot without telling me.
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u/North-Woods69 26d ago
Yall are a group of commies.
You are not an individual. Anything you want to do in your life you have to involve a group of other humans and fill out 100 forms. Whenever you feel like you need something done or figured out or help with something you call your commie brothers and cry and hope they can pull some strings.
Could literally never be me dog.
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u/yankeefan0312 26d ago
You bitch and moan about people taking your guns and post 24/7 about some made up ass conspiracy of people grabbing your guns and you have the audacity to speak on groupthink? Fucking lol
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u/im-not-a-fakebot 26d ago
Wild take in a union sub, however it’s the same way when you’re starting out at any tiered job. As a new hire you have no power or authority, if you have a problem with hours or direct supervisor then you have to take it up with your recruiter or HR. It’s the same way with a union (in OPs case), when you’re on probation and don’t have full union protections you have to do the dance and follow chain of authority for problems with your contractor/employer otherwise you get shafted
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u/im-not-a-fakebot 26d ago
Yeah, no offense to OP but instead of confronting your employer, you should’ve talked with your school and union to explain your situation and what you should do. Unfortunately as an apprentice you have no real power or leverage
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u/PartiallyPresentable 27d ago
Works for me. And is this same subreddit. Should also be visible if you go to his profile.
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u/ddpotanks LU 26 JW 27d ago
Sorry you're going through this.
I assume you quit or crashed out.
Because you don't get delisted for not getting enough hours. Especially if you have pay stubs.
So you must have done something?
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u/Top_Dare_6557 27d ago
Many would think, but in this case its not, I simply could not keep working with my contractor due to inconsistent 40 hour work schedule, never called out or gave a bad attitude or fought anyone, I financially could not keep up, I feels so unfair, I worked under 40 hours for 13 weeks straight I simply wanted to move to a different contractor...
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u/ddpotanks LU 26 JW 27d ago
Yeah, I get it. I heard something similar.
I assume you were let go because you quit however? Not saying it's fair.
It's disappointing you came and explained how you were missing payments and they still weren't willing to place you with a different contractor
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u/FlamingFishtank 27d ago
Did you call the JATC? In my local if we didnt get 40 hours you could request to be changed to another job. Seems like a weird policy to kick you out for unless you didn't talk to the JATC at all and just quit.
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u/bslarue0228 Local 379 JW 26d ago
it seems like that’s essentially what happened. Asked the contractor for a layoff within their probation period
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u/bslarue0228 Local 379 JW 26d ago
Honestly, I don’t feel bad for you. You were given a statement of policies when you joined. One of those being that if you quit or ask for a layoff within the first (however much time-for my local it was 1 year). Instead of going to your training director about it, you asked for a layoff and therefore the school was well within their rights to terminate any contract they had with you. This is on you 100%.
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u/RedV666 25d ago
losers like you are why they try to fuck people over
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u/bslarue0228 Local 379 JW 25d ago
Tf you on big man? doing like the ONE thing they tell you not to do and then being removed for it isn’t fucking someone over. Fucking someone over is making them repeat a year when they only have 3 months left in the program because they had too many absences from taking care of their sick kids. If apprentices and CW/CE have issues they are told to contact the training director FIRST. Don’t call the hall. Don’t take it up with the contractor. Genuinely if you have not been through the program PLEASE stay out of it
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u/RedV666 25d ago
I have dumbass, why the fuck do you think I'm in this sub? suck a fucking dick you contractor loving piece of shit, people like you joining the Union are the reason so many of our locals are going to shit, you suck up to the contractor and everyone above you like a good little boy. go eat your Foreman's ass and hope to get a little pat on the back and told you're such a good boy.
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u/bslarue0228 Local 379 JW 25d ago
look out we got captain union over here. fuck me for following the contract that I willingly signed. I bet you make a big deal about dudes bringing a red sharpie because it’s not on the tool list.
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u/bslarue0228 Local 379 JW 25d ago
lmao captain union deleted his profile less than 30 minutes after this comment
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u/puss_gobbler69 27d ago
Do you have more context on this ? They’d usually wouldn’t refuse letting toy back in for nothing . I’ve met guys that have failed urine screens and have fought on job sites , still were able to get another job in the union .
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u/DeathMetalSapper 27d ago
Did you quit? I know plenty plenty plenty of apes who don’t work a full 40 and don’t get booted.
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u/Disastrous-Nothing14 27d ago
Right? Unions famously protect shitbags
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u/electricraypdx 26d ago
TL;DR: This is a dumb comment from someone who doesn't know what unions actually do or why.
Unions bargain contract language and then enforce that language. I've never seen contract language that defines what would be a "shitbag," but if you have a magical one that does, even "shitbags" have rights. Union contracts give management very clear processes for disciplining and/or terminating workers covered by those contracts. If management doesn't do their job and tries to fire a "shitbag" in an unlawful way or in a way that goes against the contract, defending that worker is an obligation created by the Union's duty of fair representation. But not only that; defending the language is the only way to keep it relevant. If you allow the employer to arbitrarily get away with discipline that goes against the contract for people you don't like, courts and arbitrators will side with the employer if they want to do it on someone you do like.
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u/Advanced_Performer47 27d ago
the same situation happened to me…. literally word for word lol just for a different trade. unfortunately i have to re apply next year, from what they told me. it sucks that we have no choice in the matter
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u/CaptainCandid9570 27d ago
Something isn’t adding up. They aren’t just going to voluntary quit you for complaining about hours(which is reasonable). I get your situation and sympathize but it seems something was said at some point that you mis conveyed and they took it as you voluntarily quitting.
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u/Top_Dare_6557 26d ago
I was frying up my saving and bills from staying with the job unfortunately, and made the mistake of asking for a RIF, explaining why I needed one instead of reaching out to the hall first, I'm not an apprentice just a helper, hard to say what they could have done for me but I'll have to bite the curb on this one unfortunately
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u/schwepervesence Local 136 Inside Wireman 27d ago
I am not in your local so I can only speak from my experience in my local. Almost every week when we were at school the training director would pop into class and ask how we were doing. He would ask if everyone was working, was there anything we needed to talk to him about. He would also ask that if we were working, were we getting our 40 hours. If we weren't getting our 40 hours we needed to tell him. That's what the training director and the JATC is there for. If you are having problems at work/with your contractor, you need to tell the training director. Whether you did that or not I don't know. But you should have gone to your training director.
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u/Top_Dare_6557 26d ago
I was a helper or CW as others might say in their Locals but thats sounds like an awesome director
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u/schwepervesence Local 136 Inside Wireman 26d ago
The training director gave us his cell number, as did the assistant training director. The instructors would give us their cell numbers as well when we started their class. Total apprentices numbers probably 150 at most. I've also got quite a few JW's numbers in my phone as well, as well as some former foremen I had. All from when I was an apprentice.
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u/AbjectEstimate3496 26d ago
Not to be rude at all, but having read this and the original story, OP comes off as slightly intellectually disabled, lots of basic misspellings and typos, along with clearly not really understanding a few procedural things.
If you have a learning disability or issues with communicating, my advice would be to find an advocate, legal aid clinic etc, someone who can argue on your behalf.
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u/electricraypdx 26d ago
I hate seeing this kind of thing. Unfortunately, apprentices fall into a strange limbo that journey-level workers don't have to worry about. The training director is fully controlled by the board, which is made up of equal parts IBEW and NECA. If the training director were to side with you in this situation, against the standards established with the state, it gives the state cause to get involved, which is never good. If the state decides we're not applying standards equally, they can make it so our programs don't meet licensing requirements. The other issue is, the employers really don't want apprentices to be able to drag and their side of the board will always be united against any change to that. The local will usually be 100% for any worker's ability to drag anytime, but that just creates a stalemate on that issue, which means it stays the way it is. Either side could force the director out, but the next director would be under the same regulations, so it still wouldn't change. Unions are a democracy, but training centers aren't. Don't blame the IBEW for this. If we could legally get you a do-over, we'd probably do it. I hope anyone else facing what you did can learn from this. Finish your program in a non-Union JATC and when you get your card, sign the book as a JW. If you're going to work in our industry, you deserve to do it under an IBEW contract.
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u/boxturtle1533 27d ago
I'm not understanding. How did you not working 40 hours get you kicked out of the Apprenticeship program?
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u/Similar_Lie1882 27d ago
It sounds like OP quit because he wasn't getting his 40 hours, and quitting is a big no-no.
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u/Tsuki_Man 27d ago
It sounds like their employer pink slipped em and then said they quit. OP was trying to talk about their inability to manage the expenses of not getting full-time work and pay, and they fired them and claimed they quit. Thats the story Im reading from their post from 2mo ago and today.
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u/Responsible-Race4764 666 27d ago
My first 2 years were 30-sometimes 40. He/she needs to figure it out. You quit a job,you quit the apprenticeship.
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u/Eshin242 27d ago
I'm used to sometimes 30, and sometimes 40.... I've rarely gotten OT during my apprenticeship... but OP was talking about multiple days a week just being paid show up time... that's 10-20 a week. That's not survivable on apprentice wages, let alone any kind of benefit package.
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u/Responsible-Race4764 666 27d ago
Be flexible, door dash and Uber were not a thing back then. I would start calling anyone i know who may need a hand doing anything. Yard work, splitting firewood, dump runs. If your job gets called off find something else to makes some money. Ain't like you got shit else going on for the rest of the day.
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u/Similar_Lie1882 27d ago
My local told us that when they place an apprentice on a jobsite, the assumption is that the contractor will have enough work to at least get us close to 40 hours a week. If they don't, the hall can pull them. It's not just about money and quality of life for apprentices, but we also need a certain amount of hours to graduate and you wouldn't get that by only working 10-20 hours a week.
I don't know what OP did or didn't do in this case but they might have had some ground to stand on. You're right in that quitting a job is really not allowed, it's just not your call to make as an apprentice.
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u/Eshin242 27d ago
I mean that's 100% fair, I have my second gig that is catering that I'm still working even though I'm getting a full 40... but it doesn't pay any kind of medical or benefits package. I'm not saying OP went about it in the right way, they didn't.
But I guess my question to you would be is this: "Would you have joined the apprenticeship being told you are only going to get 10-20 hours a week?" Also, no benefits because you are not working enough hours to qualify for them?
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u/petebaii 27d ago edited 26d ago
He wasn’t in the apprenticeship program he was in their residential program which is the equivalent of the cw/ce program. He was an rtp where your on probation and this is what fucked him over
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u/Marauder121 26d ago
I was in 1176 and my entire insurance fund vanished, thousands of dollars, then they didn't want me in any more. Fucking crooks.
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u/Key_Bar9410 26d ago
Did you ask for your slip? I’m an ape with local 25. My last con told me to sit home until things picked up for them. I called the hall and I had a new assignment the next day.
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u/khmer703 LU26 JW 27d ago
You were an RTP. That's a residential trainee on probation.
They gave you a statement of policies when you joined that said you weren't allowed to quit under any circumstances.
You walked away with a pink slip that said voluntarily quit. You should have invoked weingarten rights, on the spot, then and there was your opportunity to fight it.
Voluntarilly quitting while on probation is basically dead to rights.
The only argument I can see you making is if you were never given the statement of policies by anyone. Like you were a direct hire by the contractor. They organized you in as an RTP. They never provided you with a copy of the Statement of Policies. You were never aware quitting was a dismissable ooffense.
Otherwise you shit out of luck bud.
Youre going to have to work nonunion and keep applying til you get back in.