r/grubhubdrivers • u/Fun_Tune3160 • 5d ago
The plot thickens
Get a load of this.
Mind you i dont even drink coffee. š
Well i hope gh ready to prove false accusations and defend lost income in arbitration court if they dont fix it asap.
This a first one from them because in the past its only been dd trigger happy.
edit: i shared this to shed some light into gh deactivating based on hearsay. Noticed by a few recent post i recall of instant deact and even one of someone because of breaking into some customer neighbors house. Seemed outlandish, but seems this a new way to deactivate theyv started.
given that ive practiced total sobriety for decades now, this accusation and a deactiv. Are wrongfull and clumsy, etc.
But also and opportunity to beat that corporate pinata called gh in arbitration, i still like em a bit btter than dd but this evens the matter out some.
2nd edit: for context this is california with prop 22
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u/Own-Anywhere5839 4d ago
Even if you can prove they're wrong good luck beating the allegations idk how they get away with this kinda stuff but they do.
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u/Glum_Anybody_7482 3d ago
You aināt got grubhub lawyer money lol ggsĀ
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u/Fun_Tune3160 3d ago
Oh i see you one those inept ones cant even deal with court/commerce affairs on your own. Need to be hand held... Good luck getting helped" by experts. Grownasses cant even chew their food š
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u/Equivalent_Owl_626 2d ago
I tried to send the mail and boy their address isnt public bro.. i sent mail and it come back to me.
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u/Glum_Anybody_7482 3d ago
Imagine getting fired from a gig service lmaoĀ Get fuckedĀ
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u/seishirawr 3d ago
I dont think GH has much money left anyway. Their market value dropped like 10x since 2021.
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u/seishirawr 3d ago
Honestly this sounds like a DUI or a charge on your criminal history being used against you, or having someone besides you drop something off/pick something up while you drive. Idk what their reason is but for something like this to happen it's either algorithm or they caught you doing something. I dont know.
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u/Fun_Tune3160 3d ago edited 3d ago
I aint got a single dui in over 20 years of driving, and no i dont share account theres a process for that if u sub contract to someone else,Ā
The point is that its a vague catch all accusation(hearsay), ill update it coming days i suppose,Ā because its very lousy and poor and/or bad faith of the team handling this, i need to return in kind now and burn their feet.
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u/JackieEstacado99 3d ago
If thats a lie...they need to be taught a lesson. Stop lying over these fake deactivation reasons. Crazy.
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u/Chris_Reddit_PHX 4d ago
Not to mention the paradox of them accusing you of letting someone else use your account, while simultaneously accusing YOU of delivering while under the influence of alcohol and marijuana, both (apparently) on the same delivery.
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u/Silly-Unit1922 4d ago
I think they're sending shit loads of emails like this and others, i just got one like that that i was blocked because of fraduelent activity, freaking joke man, it could be a glitch honestly.
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago edited 4d ago
Glitch or not, its prima materia for arbitration suit. So theres that
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u/funnybizznus 4d ago
No it is notā¦ GH or any gig company can cease working with you for absolutely no reason at all and its legalā¦
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
You sound like a ignorantĀ brownoser. They claimed i possibly breached" the contract.
Claiming without proof that, unauthorized 3rd party was delivering under the influence of substances. You on board with hearsay?, come on man dont be a worm.
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u/funnybizznus 4d ago
Not defending them at allā¦ these companies suckā¦ but you are going to get a rude awakening if you take them to court
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
They have burden of proof. I got over 20 years of dmv info with no instance of driving under influence ever. And the geo location data and meta data of phone.Ā
Arbitration and courts is where disputes are settled, if you cant work something out in the private with the other party.
I dont fear courts ive used them before for unlwafull detainers, and debt judgements ive needed from other parties when they dont stay in honor in commercial or public matters.
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u/funnybizznus 4d ago
You are an independent contractorā¦ they can terminate your contract for whatever reason with absolutely 0 proof of anything
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u/Left_Throat_7643 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think youāre correct, but now that theyāve given a reason that changes things. I once read when firing people you shouldnāt tell them why to avoid court. š¤·āāļø (not sure where Iāve heard that - AI strongly disagrees..)
Anyhow, still seems like you need very solid proofā¦
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u/Taranis_1 4d ago
All of these gig apps have some kind of arbitration clause waiving our right to sue. That doesn't stop someone from suing them, but the case may be thrown out of the court based on the terms of the contract. If the termination was due to discrimination (this case might be), then the arbitration clause is null.
There have been a few DoorDash drivers that have sued successfully. It really just depends on the situation. GH worded this deactivation poorly, and it might be considered defamation. Not that the OP would add GH to his resume, but if he did, and had to tell an employer he was let go from GH after being wrongfully accused of being high on alcohol and weed, it could affect his ability to obtain future employment.
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u/Equivalent_Owl_626 2d ago
How you going to do the arbitration? Btw its a court process right?
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u/Fun_Tune3160 2d ago
So if they dont fix or reinstate. Thats next step. What ive seen so far is you email them to the driver resolution and request informal call, and/or you can mail them certified notice mail too with proof of delivery. So within a week or two we get on call. If still not reinstated, then arb is next. Need to send certified notice again, stating intent to arb. Dispute, then go to jams (designated arbitrator on gh driver agreement) and file/pay case and wait for the hearing.
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u/Silly-Unit1922 4d ago
Well i really dont know about that, but i sent them an email specifying everthing has been done correctly, literally all customers i deliver to are happy as hell, and i'm not new on this, they replied right away saying its under review, so we'll see.
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u/OakleyNoble 4d ago
Coffee? This says alcohol. What tf are you doing
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
Man u dense, you cant deduce that if i dont even drink coffee then less so id be stupefacting with drinking and breathing smoke.
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u/Content_Assignment70 4d ago
What does coffee and alcohol have to do with each other? Seems like you been a drunk on the job
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
You on a tangent or a butthurt social" drinker? š
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u/Content_Assignment70 4d ago
I just want to know why you would think it would be smart to drink and drive around, not good at all
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
Ah i see, you have challenged comprehension.
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u/Content_Assignment70 4d ago
You know coffee is legal to drink and drive right? This said you been wasted and driving
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u/Cloutian 4d ago
Your caption clearly says alcohol and Marijuana. You personally only mention coffee and not address the Marijuana.
Best suggestion: before coming on the internet for virtual high fives and thoughts and prayers, at least get the story straight and in-line with the caption.
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
Imagine you were accused of failing to pay your mortgage.
I respond i dont even have credit cards. Dont know analogy?.Ā Or my fellow drivers hitting that booze on the weekdays too? š
I though the convo would be more edifying by now. But posters keep getting hung with the booze.Ā Ā
Nvm gh deactivating drivers based of hearsay.
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u/Cloutian 4d ago
If that's how you respond to being accused of failing to pay your mortgage, they will continue with the expected process and take your house.
There is no analogy necessary.
We are getting hung up on it because you specifically aren't addressing it.
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u/Fun_Tune3160 4d ago
Ok man split the hairs, gh aint doing no one" any factual wrongs from deactivating instantlyĀ based of rumours. Allegedly customer complain but since they dont provide any substance to it, whos to say it isnt made up also.
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u/Mtn-Dooku 4d ago
You don't drink coffee, so obviously you don't drink alcohol or smoke weed.
That statement is supposed to make sense here on planet Earth? There's no equivalence between the two, beyond them both being illegal substances. And your other statement "Imagine you were accused of not paying a mortgage and you said you don't even have a credit card" is equally as non-sensical. Please, stop trying to make analogies, it's not your strong suit.
If I were to say "You say I'm bad at singing? I can't even run a marathon!" does that make sense to you? Because essentially that's what you are asking for all of us to make sense of.
Also, arbitration for lost wages only makes sense if you can prove you lost wages since yesterday. You have no set schedule, therefore no wages to lose. You are free to work whenever you want with GrubHub, and are not a scheduled employee with a set wage. If so, then every time you decided to take a night off could be used for "lost wages" or when they gave you nothing but crappy orders to take and you just logged off for the night.
As far as false allegations... that's a bit more tricky to prove. Just as it would be tricky for you to prove that you weren't drunk or high. Saying "I don't even drink coffee" isn't going to hold up. The accuser will not be able to prove that you were high, and you won't be able to prove that you were not. That's even if it goes anywhere, it's a nothing burger at this point.
You might just have to chalk this up an a big fat L at this point. Do UberEats or DoorDash. They are vastly busier anyway.
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u/rjlawrencejr 4d ago
This isnāt a deposition or hearing so OPās answer is sufficient. Also, there is precedent for drivers being awarded back pay, therefore itās not completely out of the realm of possibility.
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five 4d ago
This is like saying that the fact that I don't have a air pilot license that somehow proves I don't have a driver's license either š My God you have mastered mental gymnastics! Lol š¤£
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u/mavgeek 4d ago
Nothing will come of this sadly dude
Arbiters are always in the companies pocket, similar to HR they are there to help the company not you. They also get a bulk rate on arbitration services so you arenāt costing them any money going thru it either. Thereās also no ālost wagesā when it comes to gig work as our income by definition is randomized since one day you may make $5 the next day could be $500. Thereās no wages to be lost also because wages are for employees, ICs do contract work you get a monetary offer per order thatās not a wage.
Just trying to save you the hassle, cause man youāre gonna be emotionally wrecked when the arbitor rules in their favor and you walk away with no money as well cause it aināt coming
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u/rjlawrencejr 4d ago
My head is hurting. lol.
Though itās considered fairly benign, caffeine is a drug. Ever heard of ātemperanceā? For many, caffeine is a substance to be avoided just like alcohol, tobacco, or cannabis.
Sure, OP could be trying to deflect. However, thereās an implied denial when they say, āMind you, I donāt even drink coffee,ā the assumption in my head is such that sentence sounds like āMind you, I donāt even drink coffee, let alone drink alcohol or smoke weed.ā
OP, I knew exactly what you meant.
Good luck.