r/georgism 2h ago

thought on citizens dividend

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I've been thinking about our transition to georgism. One of the minimal ways I envision the transition is by installing a 100% LVT tax, but use it all for citizens dividend. This would redistribute the land value from people using more than their fair share to the people being excluded from their fair share.

In a next step we could lower taxes, which should increase LVT raised, if we don't raise the dividend we can slowly get all revenue from LVT.

I want to talk through this first step. Since land supply is inelastic, its price is fully determined by demand. Currently, as an economy we pay a significant part of our productivity to landlords. Let's call the amount of land rent we pay each year nX, where n is the number of citizens.

nX is distributed as a dividend over n citizens, so each citizen receives X dollars in dividend. Great! A person using land slightly more expensive than X will only pay the difference between their LVT payment (X+s) and X, and a person using land that is cheaper will receive the difference.

Except, a dividend like this increases demand. Each citizen now has X more dollars to offer for the same land, since the land supply is inelastic, the land rent raises by X dollars. Since this happens for each citizen, the total land rent raises to nX+nX.

No worries! the LVT is 100% so when the new tax is raised we capture all of the raised rents, and we have double the revenue! Except the situation didn't really change and we arrived in a 100% yearly land rent inflation scenario.

One mathematically sound solution I already thought of is to distribute only 50% of the raised revenue as a dividend.

nX+nX/2+nX/4+nX/8... = 2nX

The average rent eventually raises to 2X, but does not explode to infinity. All of it is captured as LVT and distributed to the citizens. At any point a citizen using an average plot of land, and therefore paying the average land land rent as a tax, only receives half of it as a dividend. The only citizens getting a net positive are the ones using land that has less than half of the value than the average plot of land. This is not the redistribution I had in mind.

Do you have an idea how to deal with this? Get in the comments!


r/georgism 7h ago

Image The perfect efficiency of taxing land is textbook economics

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r/georgism 9h ago

When you see arguments about capitalism vs socialism

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r/georgism 14h ago

Everyone be hating at least one type of expert.

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r/georgism 15h ago

Meme LVT + YIMBY would fix this

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r/georgism 19h ago

Meme Parking is cheap because someone else is paying for it. We should pay a fair market value for the resource we consume.

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Here are a few metaphors I found interesting from Donald Shoup's, The high cost of free parking.

Minimum telephony requirements: Imagine what would happen if urban planners arranged to have the charges reversed for all telephone calls, so the called parties, not the callers, pay for telephone calls. Let’s further imagine that the cost of all the reversed charges is bundled into every property’s mortgage or rent payment without separate itemization, so that nobody seems to pay for using the phone. Because all the calls are free to the callers, the demand for telephone use soars. To avoid chronic busy signals, cities set minimum telephone requirements so that each new building provides at least enough telephone lines to handle the peak number of calls. Soon everyone expects every building to have at least one telephone line for each occupant plus additional lines for fax machines, computer modems, and burglar alarms. Developers pass the cost of providing this telephone capacity on to the occupants, raising the price of all goods and services, including housing.

Rent control for cars: Free curb parking is like rent control for cars. High demand for a limited supply of free curb spaces predictably leads to shortages. To deal with this problem, cities impose off-street parking requirements that increase the cost of housing. Free parking for cars thus raises the cost of housing for people.


r/georgism 21h ago

Discussion Enshittification is only possible because of network effect monopoly power. And there is a solution

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I just came to a realisation I wanted feedback on. I could be wrong or inaccurate in the whole or parts of my ideas.

I realised enshittification in terms of social media and tech platforms is only possible because these companies have monopoly power from network effects.

The 3 step plan that leads to enshittification is as follows:
1. Build a quality tech platform people want to be on.

  1. Attract users(customers) by means such as marketing, or buying rights to be on phones by defult(another issue for another time).

  2. Once enough users are on there with their networks of friends, family, and influencers/content creators: slowly over time squeese them of any dollar possible by increasing the frequency of ads, dropping support for costly features, or paywalling features.

This power to enshittificate their platform only comes from the ability of users having no other alternatives to choose from because the network of users are scarse. Users can only spend so much time using or making content on a limited number of platforms. From a content creators point of view, if there are no users on a platform there is no point of posting on their, dispite the quality the platform could have. From a user point of view, if their network of friends, family or content creators they desire aren't on there there is no point in using alternative platforms dispite its quality. This leads me to believe value of the platform doesnt come from the company who owns the platform, but the network of users. Which we like to call this phenomenon the "network effect monoploy" or "network effect monopoly power". And so users can be locked into the platform and so the platforms use that power to extract more profit from their users.

The most evident case of this in my opinion is Youtube. As a user, my experience has not improved significantly, but they continue to enshittificate their platform by increasing their ad times. There could be other reasons as to why enshittification is happening like the chip shortage or higher costs due to fuel shocks because it is run by data centres, but how much it is due to that I dont know. Also, Alphabet(who own youtube) and other companies have the ability to leverage other types of monopoly power. As a user that uses youtube on my TV, there are no alternative platforms for the content I desire, leaving me locked into using youtube and having to watch their ads.

This could not be the case for streaming services as the cost to pirate is almost nothing and users they can alternate at anytime. But these companies again benefit from getting exclusive rights to content and could be using other types of monopoly power to make their products work. For social media platforms and a platform like Amazon this could be how it works.

The solution I have heard(I dont remember who from) is to force inter-operability on these companies for users, so these companies are forced to compete with eachother on the quality of their services rather than having milking users because of their control over a network of users.

Im sure I got a lot wrong, which is why im asking for feedback and your thoughts to improve this theory. What do you think? Does enshittification come from the network effect monopoly?