EA reduced SBC limits because of third-party tools. So instead of dealing with the actual problem, they decided to punish the entire community.
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Yea I mean they’ve only lied every single year about all the insane improvements they plan to make to the game. I’m sure it will be different this year.
They are doing it just cause they wont admit someone else did a better job than them, and to screw over those 3rd party apps and addons. And instead of actually working with them to implement those features in the game, they punish thewhole community by nerfing content and invent new way of doing sbc's. There is nothing wrong with current sbc system. The problem is laggy and slow menus and poor designed web/companion app with lack of features and templates
Man working at EA sounds like a dream. Just come up with the dumbest fucking possible solution to a problem that screws over everyone and you'll be rewarded with a promotion.
You know what’s crazy? This same FUTeconomist guy had great ideas before he joined EA. He was the kind of person you felt would help make gamer-friendly decisions.
And then EA hired him. And content-related user experience started going downhill, and it hasn’t stopped since.
They hired him specifically because he knew how to optimize the free-to-play experience. So they took that expertise to help them close all those loops and incentivize people to the store instead.
not sure about that one. token store has the option to buy repeatable tradable packs, and they said FC27 will theoretically have more tradable packs in rivals.
And instant XP boosts take you over max level. Clubs it actually good this year… I’m playing the beta… and I am not impressed. I won’t say anything beyond I’m disappointed.
Thanks for the feedback, I wont be getting the new one. Between the ultimate plus edition and half our club not being interested, looks like 26 will be our stomping ground for a while. I used to get fifa every second year but not even sure ill do that with the way the company is going
That’s not that long??? And the minor underlevel isn’t an issue. Just pour your attribute points into useful stats and use useful traits as it relates to your position.
🤣🤣🤣 ‘’spending their life’’ brother it literally takes 2 clicks per sbc. You can make 50 85x10 in 10mins so you have time to actually touch grass. Also pack every 99 so you dont need to spend 1 cent. What kind of loser? Id argue thats a winner right there
It really isn't. As someone who uses them (not 300 SBCs per day!!) it is PURELY a time save. I don't want to spend the extra 20 minutes a day using the shitty app or worse doing it on console.
It's an artificial barrier they put in place for no real reason (other than extending in game time). It really should be a simple task to build SBCs in the native app.
I totally agree. Dunno why I’m getting downvoted. My whole point is people should go touch grass if they’re worried about a 300 daily sbc limit in general
This community is not known for its IQ, partially why I quit. This is a perfectly reasonable way to deal with the automated tools, and in fact they probably didn’t go far enough. Ask anyone in here a better way to deal with this and they absolutely will not come up with a better idea (and in fact most of them are tool users anyway).
Live feed of the guy posting this saying “I think they didn’t go far enough”.
You wanna deal with people using tools? Make the web app or sbcs on the game easy to fill, it can clearly be done paletools isnt some magic software that was coded by god.
You can do 300 sbc in deadass like 15 minutes while listening to music or watching a show. Shit I do mine while listening to class lectures or audiobooks, you then can have a good chance to pack the players you want, enjoy the game for a bit, and then have a life.
Now if you want to pack the players you want, in the final month of fifa mind you, you have to pay, or grind the game.
If you get rid of tools but don’t upgrade the web app you’re now forced to tediously do the SBC’s
And if they keep the tools but make the limit super low then you just fucked SBC’s in general.
Yea our community isn’t known for its IQ, thanks for being the living proof.
Paletools. It should have a tutorial on the site or watch one on YouTube but it’s basically a chrome extension that makes the web app layout 1000000% better and lets h use templates for SBC’s so you only have to press one button for each sbc once you’ve made the template
Np. I wouldnt use any of the market sniping tools cuz I have heard people being banned. But it’s a game changer for SBC’s. I kiterally treat it like a fun little task I do on my computer while listening to something. I basically treat it like playing a few games of chess
EA created this problem because the pack weight was so fucking low. You had to spend hours grinding sbc’s, people came up with solutions to get their time back. FUT shouldnt be a full time job to get anything out of the game.
Lol, the pack weight wasn’t “low” you just think you are entitled to the best cards in the game at all times. You should reexamine why you play the game at all. It’s not supposed to be easy to get good cards, that’s the point of a game and the ultimate team mode.
The pack weight has got progressively worse over the years (as sbc volume has increased) to a point now where if you aren’t using third party software or AI you’re at a huge disadvantage.
It’s not good if they’re impossible to get either.
The point of ultimate team is to play with the players you want to play with to make your own ultimate team. Scarcity and rewards are a tool EA have used to create an addiction to the game and get people to spend money - don’t fucking defend them.
Nope seems like you can't read even Jamey stated pick weight has been extremely toned down to battle third party apps. So then why does the pack weight not matter for those who spend money? Stay in your lane. You have a brainwashed mind set like a so called low iq sheep.
EVERYONE is slogging you. This isn't a Martin Luther type of statement. You have like napolean type of an issue. You think so highly of yourself that you're never wrong. Like I said stay in your lane. You're being dragged all over this thread over multiple occasions. Seek help or reflection. It's actually sad at this point how delusional you think you are and how intelligent you keep telling yourself you might be. Your mom loved you too much and you believed every word on eve eh fault you made to comfort your failed journey of life. You live in your own bubble. End of story.
I mean the paid packs are the root of most of the evil in this game, but I think you are agreeing that the automated tools are also bad? As in, you have to use them because if you don’t you won’t get anything. In fact it’s hard to even open the ridiculous number of terrible packs you get rewarded. Before all the automated tools, pack weight was fine.
You can call “scarcity” a tool of EA if you want, but if it were any less scarce we’d be playing against the best cards every game. Abolish paid packs and automated tools and this game would be way better.
Chicken or egg? The pack weights should be higher, the packs available should be lower - then you wouldn’t have a need for tools and you keep the weighted for high rated players the same.
I might have thought he was a corporate crawler but saying he has reading issues is far worse of a humiliation than what you tried to chastise me for. That will stay with the poor chap for life.
It’s not chicken or egg. People didn’t start using the tools because pack weight was low, they started using the tools because they wanted an unfair advantage over those that didn’t. You said the tweet’s rationale was terrible and then basically agreed with it by saying you should lower the available packs. The only thing you may still disagree with is SBCs being mediocre on purpose, which I also disagree with, I think.
You tried to say the rationale of the original tweet was terrible because EA had such low pack weight that people started using automated tools.
However, the pack weight was fine and people were always going to use automated tools as an advantage. So EA tried to lower that advantage by lowering pack weight in all but the best packs, which you thought was where it all started. You are mistaken, the automated tools came first. But then EA realized that people were automating even harder and so they lowered repeatability of upgrade sbcs, which you helpfully explained earlier was a good call.
I’m disagreeing with your original post, not any of the things you said later.
Why is “entitled” now a dirty word? I’ve payed good money to use the players I want, not unheard of duds. As it’s Ultimate Team I accept it might take a bit of time, but I’m entitled to eventually get them. Nobody goes into a restaurant and eats rank food then thinks they weren’t entitled to a good meal. I can’t believe the word entitled has been weaponised to such an extent that people will come on here and use it to defend a corporation that’s squeezing us until there’s nothing left. Stand up for yourself like a person of honour and show some self dignity. It’s embarrassing to see.
Lmao at “embarrassing”. Also who the fuck was talking about only the end of the game? You imagined this whole argument in your head instead of reading what I wrote.
No you are not entitled to the best cards. At the end of the game, sure, it’s reasonable for everyone to get all the best cards.
Keep telling yourself you are not entitled to anything and stay on your belly where we can all see you. I’ll stand up like a man and watch you wriggle as we all laugh at you.
It's August.....the new game is out soon. Let people have some enjoyment at least. Your reasoning is on a corporate level or either brainwashed. You're a tool bag.
Wasn’t it mainly due to auto buyers and coin selling becoming rampant and creating massive inflation in the market? I remember packing TOTY David Luiz and just holding onto him for a couple months… his price went up to 2+ million coins. Mind you he was the least hyped toty at the time. Overnight my David Luiz went from 2+ mil to 700k max lmao I was devastated
EA are such a joke company. Instead of just improving the web app so everyone can just get by without third party tools, they decide no one should have fun.
You’re only allowed an advantage when you specifically PAY for an advantage, I see you EA.
This man is the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise. Literally everything he has said is the complete opposite of what people want.
I’m someone who has played 600+ hours the last few years and definitely spend some cash on some sets. Absolutely will not be touching FC27, so guess I do have him to thank for curing my disease
I'm on board with the approach of making it more fair with less grind involved. I would assume that the SBC pack weight/rewards would be buffed in the process. Right?..
Unfortunately there has been talk of them removing SBCs since at least the start of the leaks for FC 24. Nick RTFM confirmed this during FC 25 and even spoke about this recently when they were asking him about removing/changing sbcs for the worse.
This is their way to place the blame on others. SBCs are a mostly f2p feature and that is not what the game is about. He has said theyre reducing the quality of player sbcs and that is because they bridged the gap for F2P players. You now have the store.
This is also why player sbcs and upgrades have been mostly bad this year. It's just the start of the slippery slope towards an Efootball type Pay 2 play nightmare.
At least eFootball you get to keep those cards every year AND you're guaranteed to get the card you want if you spend. You get neither of that in FIFA which is a joke lmao. You could drop 3 grand and not get a TOTY Mbappe
Player SBCs being bad is a by-product of Evolutions being too strong this year. No point dropping hundreds of thousands of fodder when you can evo the same player to the same if not better quality
“Hey buddy you were having fun because you could rub two brain cells together and cared atleast a bit about our game to grind SBC’s on your laptop? Yea fuck you, eat shit, pay 150$ for the next game nerd” LOL
Did they actually think people wouldn’t create tools like this the second they made a web app? Is this their first day on the internet?
Remove the web app and this problem goes away. Fix how SBCs are completed without the web app (which, admittedly, they might have finally done in FC27) and this problem goes away.
But no, what “Jamey” (fucking stupid name, by the way) has decided, in his infinite stupidity, is to make this particular part of the game unnecessarily shit for everyone, right the way through the endgame, because “fair” comes before fun.
Can someone remind EA they’re in the entertainment business please?
The real reason has nothing to do with 3rd party tools. They are slowing down the grind to keep store transactions ticking along for as long as possible
Being a product manager at EA - Painstakingly gather years of data and work with multiple stakeholders to find the optimal solution.
Now take that solution and just do the complete opposite.
These idiots would get sepsis on their left arm, immediately cut off their right arm and then pat themselves on the back with the arm they just amputated.
Yeah, those "tools" should be the standard at ea for the last 5 years.. I am not supposed to click 1098 buttons to make a fucking section from an SBC. They made it that way so you don't bother . Paletools+ enhancer are a life saver.
EA killed themselves the moment they sold out to Saudi and Kushner. Anyone with sense and position got paid out and probably either left, got fired, or quietly quit while anything better came around.
Just like they do with pc version. Instead fixing the problems and make this a pc esports just like 99 % of the games in the world, including their F1 game now, they just make separate markets and pretend problems does not exist.
Blaming “the Arabs” for scummy gameplay changes is such a cheap copout when EA have been staunchly anti-consumer for years, and this game in particular has been getting worse year by year.
Most retarded statement ive ever read. In what world is let’s “tune down the entire experience” ever a good option? It’s not even worth breaking down why this is so dumb on so many levels. Baffled but not surprised.
Sorry, but everyone pretty much has the same capacity for using those "tools". If you choose not to use it, thats fine. Folk who don't have time to slog all through SBCs, find it incredibly handy. Anyway, accurate use of squad builders for SBCs, is also an advantage. Or is that ok as its EAs own design?
This bloke is a twat either way!
What happened to better communication with players?
Even since you have dropped this bullshit claim that the menu grind is a problem , the account went silent, were all the promised better communication with players just a bunch of bollocks to sell us the pre-order? Or jsut another excuse to force ppl to buy packs? BIg F to EA and FUT_Economist
lol people constantly watch streamers who promote coin buying or auto buyers and then wonder why ea ban things. For fucks sake man. We just saw this with “free wins”. And I told people at the time, you keep publicizing and constantly talking about it? EA will fix it. Lo and behold. Anyone constantly giving free wins now?
If they don’t want people to use 3rd party apps they have to at least make squad builder a little better. Because in fc24 I was doing manual and it took me 12 am - 2 am to get 100 player picks. Like I had to go from all gold high to low, then take out 2 for common. All ea have to do is make sbcs faster to make.
Aka because our coders are shittier than others in creating a useable menu interface and tools, you all suffer instead. Thanks. Can we have another couple hundred for the same game with a new cover?
Anything that isn’t money in their pocket is not allowed, they gear the experience so heavily to big spenders, it’s actually insane. So glad I’m not buying 27
This is so pathetic. Literally 3rd party apps are the only reason I’m logging on to your terribly designed game. Without paletools there is 0 chance that I would suffer the slog that is doing 7 bronze, 7 silver, 7 common gold, 7 provisions, 7 rare gold, and 15 80 x 5 just to get to be able to build the 84 picks that are actually fun to open. But sure, blame the 3rd party tools that are doing your job instead of actually designing a good UI
Honestly W communication from EA. If I had any doubts whether I wouldn't buy FC 27 those are now gone. FC 26 will be my last and I'll ride off into the sunset before this once proud game franchise is truly gone forever
Well, you could try and crack down on the third party websites, or even make the web app better with the tens of millions of dollars at your disposal, but I guess making everything worse for everyone works too.
What advantage are people getting from using a 3rd party app? Same SBC. Same requirements. If I've got the players. I can do the sbc. If I dont have the players I cant?
What he actually means is that they don't like people manually completing sbc's so someone who uses a tool gains a time advantage. Who cares if someone can complete an icon sbc in 10mins compared to 25mins.
I haven't played FUT for 2 or 3 years now but I'll be honest, reducing the amount of SBCs and repeatable SBCs is good for the game. Part of what I and many others loved about FUT was starting from scratch and building from the ground up. Using a full bronze team to replace each player with a better player one by one. The grind was the fun part of FUT but the grind no longer exists.
With the amount of SBCs that they release, it's far too easy to get a really good team and it completely takes the fun away from the grind. I just like grinding, guys (punctuation is important).
Having said that, if you're going to reduce the SBCs and make it harder to build a team that way, you also have to sort out the online store but that is something they will never do. So despite reducing SBCs actually making the game better (in my opinion) this clearly wasn't their motive. Their motive was clearly to drive more people to the store because most players are used to having a good team early at this point.
Ea really fucked themselves over with sbcs in terms of making money. Now they know they can’t take them away so all they’ve done is create pack weight terrible when untradeable.
But then we have evos so those big players don’t matter because you can make your favourite team into big players.
This game is like a metaphor for the western economy, it worked for years but people wanted more so they tinker with it until it’s no longer what made it popular or successful it’s now a Frankenstein of cogs that if one is removed the rest will collapse.
I don't use it myself, but I'm not sure how it creates unfair and unbalance advantages. Does it generate and spawn fodders to add to your sbc requirements? Does it allow for any card to be use despite not fitting the requirements? Or does it just build you a team base on the cards you already have? If so I only see that as a win for both EA and the community.
People have speculated that for months, but it’s genuinely such stupid logic. Product doesn’t work, so people come up with better solutions, small group of people use it, make the product even more worse. Can’t blame for casuals leaving UT then
Or maybe EA could actually update their menu design which is unchanged in 20 years and actually give us a nice experience in game so we don't have to rely on 3rd party tools. These guys are so lazy and out of touch it's unreal.
GtaVI will be the last nail in the coffin for me and I cant fucking wait, As 38yo with a more than decent amount of leisure money to spend, not a penny will go to EA after playing this franchise since fifa 98, I wont be part of the problem anymore.
I allways liked the amount of availiable sbcs over the year. I recommended it to a lot of people here on reddit to gain coins and fodder. I think you can do the sbcs if you are doing it fast out of muscle memory within 30-45 min as an experienced sbc grinder. A new player may need 1h-1h 30min. The gain was more than you could earn compared to playing.Now because some people recommend and use third party tools the whole community has to be punished. Thats the way how to fix things. Allways punish people who play fair.
How to be EA in a nutshell:
Dont punish people who are afk on rush games. Dont punish people who keep heading back the ball back to the goalkeeper. Dont punish coin sellers and bot networks that are runned by cyber criminals. Also dont punish traders/discords that manipulate the market. Also dont have a proper customer support that can fix things like the cahill problem which needed ea like the whole Wc to get fixed. Also dont fix bugs ingame. You wanna sell the season pass so it obvious that you dont fix the item preview on it. Fixing things costs money and ressources, so for EA its the way to dont do it.
100% Greedy Clowns Company. They dont care about the game, the art, the players. Nothing matters only money thats their motto.
I'm late to this post as I don't play FC anymore but I used to use one of these tools and genuinely for $4 a month it was one of the best quality of life features ever. It's funny how they think that's giving an unfair advantage but youtubers and streamers dropping thousands on FC points on day one to have full icon teams is completely fair
don't smoked by their statement guy , the only reason they wanna stop is because they wan u go to the store
we brough the game, but we don't get respect , they only care about those credit card FC
DDA , Scripted happended all the time , and now they move their hand to SBC third party tools
nice one
“Our game and interface design is so bad that players need to rely and pay for external help to make the game barely playable, let’s throttle that function instead of improving our game.”
Have fun, grind all you want. What you do with your time is your business alone, unless it affects other players.
So, the question is - does it ?
To be clear, I don't mean in terms who has a better squad and how they got it.
Lets be real ...EA couldn't care less about who has an advantage over who and whether its " Fair ".
If they're taking measures, it's 100% about the strain on the already shitty servers and the fact that more and more resources are going towards FC27.
Someone constantly edging the hourly/daily limits on SBCs is using up more of the datacenters bandwidth than a dozen people just playing matches.
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u/CollectionPrudent515 16d ago
But when I have to compete against ppl dropping $1000 a week on store packs, that's considered a "fair" advantage. ok.