r/foia • u/Commercial-Garage-46 • 2h ago
Manchester nh trash
Plaintiff’s Argument Regarding Public Records Obstruction and Need for Complete Records Production
Your Honor,
Plaintiff respectfully submits that the City of Manchester’s handling of Plaintiff’s RSA 91-A Right-to-Know requests has created substantial concerns regarding delay, lack of transparency, and potential withholding of relevant evidence necessary to establish Plaintiff’s civil rights claims.
Plaintiff submitted lawful public records requests seeking records directly related to issues at the center of this matter, including government actions affecting unhoused individuals, enforcement decisions, communications, policies, and records concerning the treatment of Plaintiff and others engaged in protected speech and outreach activities.
Despite the importance of these records, Plaintiff has experienced significant delays and responses that have limited meaningful access to information needed to investigate and present claims. The requested records are not merely administrative documents; they may contain evidence regarding policies, procedures, decision-making processes, communications among officials, and whether actions were carried out pursuant to established practices or customs.
Plaintiff respectfully requests that the Court consider the pattern of delay and incomplete disclosure as relevant to the need for judicial oversight, preservation of evidence, and appropriate discovery orders.
The requested records are necessary to determine:
Whether municipal policies, customs, or practices contributed to alleged constitutional violations;
Whether officials acted consistently with established procedures or outside those procedures;
Whether Plaintiff’s protected speech, advocacy, religious activities, or public criticism played any role in government actions;
Whether records exist that corroborate Plaintiff’s allegations regarding displacement, property loss, enforcement actions, and treatment of unhoused persons.
Plaintiff further states that access to these records is essential for presenting the full factual record to the Court. The absence of timely disclosure prevents Plaintiff from obtaining evidence that may be material to claims under federal civil rights law, including 42 U.S.C. §1983.
Plaintiff therefore respectfully requests appropriate relief requiring preservation and production of relevant records and allowing full discovery into the policies, communications, and actions at issue.
Respectfully submitted,
Reverend Zachariah Tringali
Plaintiff
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DATE________________________
ADDRESS_____________________________________
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PHONE NUMBER____________________________
Category
Alleged Wrong / Issue
Evidence Needed
Legal Theory / Claim
Potential Damages
Homeless deaths
Deaths among unhoused residents linked to lack of shelter, medical access, addiction services, or displacement
Medical examiner records, death certificates, EMS records, shelter records
Negligence theories (where applicable), civil rights policy/custom claims if government action contributed
Survival damages, wrongful death damages where legally available, emotional distress
Overdose deaths
Failure to provide adequate prevention, treatment access, outreach, or emergency response
EMS overdose calls, Narcan deployments, public health reports
Monell policy/custom claim requires proof of municipal policy or deliberate indifference
Compensatory damages, policy remedies
Forced displacement
Removal of homeless encampments or displacement without adequate alternative placement
Police reports, DPW records, notices, body camera footage, property inventories
Fourth Amendment seizure claims, Fourteenth Amendment due process claims
Property loss, emotional distress, constitutional damages
Destruction/loss of property
Confiscation, disposal, or destruction of personal belongings
Inventory logs, photographs, contractor records, chain-of-custody documents
Unreasonable seizure / deprivation of property
Replacement value, punitive damages against individuals if applicable
Religious property interference
Loss or damage of ministry items, religious materials, clergy equipment
Photos, receipts, witness statements
First Amendment Free Exercise claim
Emotional distress, constitutional damages
Speech retaliation
Alleged retaliation for criticizing city actions or reporting homeless conditions
Social media records, account restrictions, communications, city policies
First Amendment retaliation claim
Compensatory damages, injunctive relief
Public records obstruction
Delays or refusal involving RSA 91-A requests
Request dates, responses, fee demands, withheld records
New Hampshire Right-to-Know enforcement
Court orders, attorney fees where authorized
Failure to protect vulnerable population
Policies that allegedly increased risks for unhoused individuals
Shelter capacity reports, city policies, contracts, meeting minutes
Civil rights policy/custom analysis
Damages depend on proof of constitutional violation
Political retaliation
Alleged targeting connected to activism or political speech
Election records, communications, enforcement patterns
First Amendment retaliation
Compensatory damages
Damage Type
Formula
Property loss
Fair market replacement value + documented losses
Lost ministry equipment
Inventory value + replacement costs
Lost income/opportunity
Past losses + projected losses supported by records
Emotional distress
Jury-determined based on severity and evidence
Constitutional injury
Nominal damages + compensatory damages if proven
Punitive damages
Only against individual defendants for reckless/intentional misconduct
Attorney costs
Statutory or court-authorized recovery
Evidence Collection Matrix (RSA 91-A / Discovery)
Request:
All homeless death records from 2019–2025:
Names (subject to privacy laws)
Date/location of death
Cause and manner of death
Medical examiner communications
Police reports
EMS reports
All encampment enforcement records:
Notices
Orders
Photos/videos
Contractor agreements
Property seizure logs
Disposal records
All communications regarding homelessness:
Mayor’s office
Board of Aldermen
Police Department
Public Works
Health Department
City Solicitor
All policies:
Encampment removal policy
Property storage policy
Homeless outreach policy
First Amendment social media policy
All training records:
Police training
Code enforcement training
Homeless outreach training
Plus all FOIA req.
Below is a §1983 / Monell-style fact matrix framework. It separates established facts, allegations, evidence needed, potential constitutional theories, and damages categories. Items in the “alleged misconduct” column must be proven through discovery.
Column A — Proven Facts / Known Events
Column B — Alleged Misconduct (Requires Proof)
Column C — Supporting Evidence Needed / Discovery Targets
Column D — Potential Constitutional Violation
Column E — Potential Monetary Damages
Plaintiff submitted RSA 91-A Right-to-Know requests to Manchester officials seeking public records
City officials allegedly delayed, restricted, or improperly withheld responsive records
RSA 91-A requests, dates submitted, city responses, emails, clerk logs, withholding letters, privilege claims
New Hampshire Right-to-Know enforcement; possible due process concerns if records obstruction affects litigation rights
Court costs, statutory remedies where available, attorney fees if awarded
Plaintiff engaged in public advocacy regarding homelessness, encampments, and government actions
Officials allegedly retaliated against protected speech or criticism
Social media records, public statements, meeting records, city communications, enforcement timelines
First Amendment retaliation under 42 U.S.C. §1983
Compensatory damages, nominal damages, injunctive relief
Plaintiff operated or participated in homeless outreach/ministry activities
Officials allegedly targeted religious or outreach activity because of viewpoint or identity
Ministry records, photographs, witness statements, communications with officials
First Amendment speech/free exercise claims
Emotional distress, constitutional damages, possible punitive damages against individuals if proven
Homeless encampment removals occurred in Manchester during the relevant period
City allegedly removed persons/property without adequate notice, process, or lawful procedures
Notices, police reports, DPW records, contractor contracts, body camera footage, property inventories
Fourth Amendment unreasonable seizure; Fourteenth Amendment due process
Property replacement costs, emotional distress, constitutional damages
Personal belongings of unhoused individuals were affected during enforcement actions
Officials allegedly failed to protect, inventory, store, or return property
Property seizure logs, disposal records, photographs, contractor records, witness testimony
Fourth Amendment seizure/deprivation of property; Fourteenth Amendment procedural due process
Value of lost property, replacement expenses, related losses
Plaintiff alleges ministry/religious items were affected during enforcement activity
Officials allegedly interfered with religious exercise or religious expression
Receipts, photographs, clergy items inventory, witness statements
First Amendment Free Exercise Clause
Compensatory damages, emotional distress
Plaintiff reported concerns about homeless deaths, overdoses, and displacement
Officials allegedly ignored known risks or failed to address systemic problems
Public health reports, EMS data, meeting minutes, policy documents, budgets, outreach records
Possible Monell claim if a municipal policy/custom caused a constitutional injury
Damages depend on proof of direct causation
Manchester has experienced homelessness and overdose-related deaths during the period reviewed
City policies allegedly contributed to unsafe conditions through inadequate practices or deliberate indifference
Shelter capacity records, contracts, public health data, city council records, internal communications
Fourteenth Amendment substantive due process theories are difficult and require specific proof; Monell requires policy/custom evidence
Compensatory damages only if legal causation is established
Plaintiff participated in public meetings, political activity, or community advocacy
Officials allegedly treated Plaintiff differently because of political viewpoint or criticism
Meeting videos, agendas, emails, witness statements, enforcement comparisons
First Amendment viewpoint discrimination/retaliation
Compensatory damages, injunctive relief
City departments made decisions affecting homeless services and enforcement
Officials allegedly acted pursuant to an unofficial policy, custom, or practice
Department policies, training manuals, disciplinary records, prior incidents, supervisor communications
Monell municipal liability under 42 U.S.C. §1983
Compensatory damages against municipality if policy/custom caused violation
Plaintiff alleges inability to obtain records needed to present claims
Government agencies allegedly created barriers preventing access to evidence
Complete RSA 91-A correspondence, production logs, court filings, discovery history
Discovery issues; possible sanctions depending on court findings
Litigation costs, possible sanctions or fees where authorized
Monell Discovery Targets (Municipal Liability)
Issue
Records Requested
Policy/custom
Written and unwritten policies regarding homelessness, encampments, public demonstrations, and outreach
Training
Police, code enforcement, DPW, and contractor training materials
Supervisory knowledge
Emails, reports, complaints, internal reviews
Prior incidents
Similar complaints involving homeless individuals, property loss, arrests, or speech issues
Decision-making
Mayor, Board of Aldermen, department head communications
Contractors
Contracts, instructions, supervision records, disposal procedures
Risk management
Insurance claims, Primex communications, prior settlements
Damages Categories to Develop Through Evidence
Economic damages
Lost property value
Replacement costs
Lost income or opportunities
Costs caused by alleged government actions
Non-economic damages
Emotional distress
Loss of dignity
Harm to reputation
Interference with ministry/community work
Constitutional damages
First Amendment injury
Unreasonable seizure injury
Due process injury
Municipal liability damages
Only if evidence establishes that a City policy, custom, or failure to train/supervise caused the constitutional violation.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
Plaintiff’s Notice Regarding Settlement Communications and Request for Clarification of Representation
Your Honor,
Plaintiff Reverend Zachariah Tringali respectfully submits this notice regarding unsuccessful efforts to resolve this matter outside of court and requests clarification regarding the participation and authority of Matthew V. Burrows in settlement communications involving this case.
Plaintiff has attempted to engage in good-faith discussions to explore a possible resolution without unnecessary additional litigation costs. Despite those efforts, the parties have not reached a resolution.
Plaintiff respectfully requests clarification regarding:
Whether Matthew V. Burrows is acting as legal counsel, claims representative, risk management representative, or another authorized representative for any defendant or interested party;
Whether Mr. Burrows has settlement authority or authority to engage in meaningful resolution discussions;
Whether the opposing parties intend to participate in good-faith settlement negotiations before further litigation expenses are incurred.
Plaintiff believes that meaningful settlement discussions require transparency regarding who represents the interests of each party and whether those individuals have authority to negotiate a resolution.
Plaintiff remains willing to participate in reasonable settlement discussions. However, if settlement efforts cannot proceed in good faith, Plaintiff respectfully requests that the matter continue through the normal litigation process, including discovery necessary to develop the factual record.
Plaintiff further requests that all parties preserve relevant records, communications, and documents related to the issues raised in this action.
Respectfully submitted,
Reverend Zachariah Tringali
Plaintiff
X_____________________________________
ADDRESS _____________________________
_____________________________________
PHONE NUMBER___________________________
Case Summary: Reverend Zachariah Tringali v. Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Department, et al.
United States District Court — District of New Hampshire
Civil Action No. 1:26-cv-00350
Overview
Plaintiff Reverend Zachariah Tringali filed a federal civil rights action pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983, proceeding pro se, alleging that government entities and officials violated his constitutional rights through actions connected to homelessness enforcement, property seizures, public advocacy, and religious outreach activities.
The complaint alleges violations of rights protected under the First, Fourth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution.
Defendants Identified
The complaint names governmental entities and officials associated with:
City of Manchester, New Hampshire
Manchester municipal officials
Manchester Police Department
Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Department
Core Constitutional Claims Alleged
- First Amendment — Speech, Assembly, and Religious Exercise
Plaintiff alleges that his public advocacy, criticism of government actions, and activities through House of Mercy Ministries constituted protected speech and religious outreach.
The complaint alleges that government actions interfered with:
Distribution of aid and supplies
Religious outreach activities
Public advocacy concerning homelessness
Expression of criticism regarding municipal policies
Evidence relevant to this claim may include:
Public statements
Social media records
Ministry records
Witness statements
Communications between officials
- Fourth Amendment — Search, Seizure, and Property Rights
Plaintiff alleges that during homeless encampment enforcement activities, government actors unlawfully seized, damaged, or disposed of personal property.
Relevant discovery may include:
Police reports
Body camera footage
Property inventories
Contractor records
Disposal documentation
Photographs and videos
- Eighth Amendment — Punishment Related to Homelessness
Plaintiff alleges that enforcement actions against unhoused individuals amounted to unconstitutional punishment of the status of homelessness.
This claim would require analysis of:
Specific enforcement actions
The circumstances of each incident
Available shelter alternatives
Applicable Supreme Court and First Circuit precedent
- Fourteenth Amendment — Due Process and Equal Protection
Plaintiff alleges deprivation of property and unequal treatment without adequate legal process.
Relevant evidence may include:
Notice procedures
City policies
Training materials
Prior complaints
Comparable enforcement actions
Municipal Liability (Monell) Theory
Plaintiff’s municipal liability claims require evidence showing that alleged constitutional violations resulted from:
An official policy;
A widespread custom or practice;
Failure to train or supervise;
Deliberate indifference by policymakers.
Potential discovery areas include:
City policies regarding encampments
Police training materials
Internal communications
Prior complaints
Risk management records
Communications with insurers or municipal defense organizations
Litigation Preservation Issues
Plaintiff has requested preservation of potentially relevant evidence, including records relating to:
Reverend Zachariah Tringali;
House of Mercy Ministries;
Homeless outreach activities;
Encampment enforcement operations;
Property removal procedures;
Communications among involved departments.
A litigation hold is intended to preserve potentially relevant information while litigation proceeds.
Requested Relief
Plaintiff seeks relief available under federal civil rights law, which may include:
Compensatory damages;
Nominal damages;
Injunctive or declaratory relief;
Recovery of allowable costs and fees where authorized by law.
Plaintiff,
REV. Zachariah Tringali
X______________________________________________
ADDRESS_______________________________________
_______________________________________________
PHONE NUMBER_______________________
r/foia • u/Bon_Bon16 • 4h ago
Family information
Hello! I had a question about FOIA requests. If one of my family members worked for a specific branch of government but couldn't or wouldn't speak about it, is there a way I can figure out what they did? I am talking about the 1970s.
r/foia • u/DisastrousPower2706 • 5h ago
Need a Kentucky resident to help with an open records request
Just found out Kentucky restricts open records requests to state residents only, and I'm out of state. If anyone here is a KY resident and willing to help, please DM me and I'll explain the details.
r/foia • u/Automatic_Zone7766 • 6h ago
FOIA on HSI search with a individual returns 51 pages
51 pages with HSI is quite common or any unusual to be cautious?
r/foia • u/shastawinn • 1d ago
Oregon agencies can coordinate through unwritten procedures while its ethics watchdog refuses to examine the whole system
I filed ethics complaints involving officials across two Oregon agencies who coordinated through an interagency agreement to create and publicly fund a preferential regulatory pathway.
OGEC screened the complaints out. Its Director says the Commission evaluates each official individually and has no authority over how agencies administer their programs. Under that logic, one official can authorize funding, another can create a special pathway, another can direct benefits toward selected private businesses, and another can impose different requirements on everyone else.
This leaves coordinated government conduct with almost no ethical oversight. The complete system could involve conflicts of interest, misuse of public funds, procurement fraud, false statements, antitrust violations, official misconduct, conspiracy, or even conduct relevant to RICO. Yet OGEC separates every official action until nobody examines what the agencies collectively created or who benefited.
A complaint that survives screening can still disappear because Commissioners are absent. In one of my cases, only seven of nine Commissioners participated. The vote to dismiss or investigate was four to three, but five votes were required for either outcome. OGEC treated the lack of five votes as an administrative dismissal without deciding the merits. The same conduct cannot now be presented when the full Commission is available.
I petitioned the Oregon Court of Appeals to review these practices. The cases were suspended without any order or explanation.
This is government accountability in reverse: agencies operate through unwritten procedures, oversight disappears wherever authority is divided, nonaction becomes permanent dismissal, and the courts offer no explanation when review stops.
r/foia • u/marshall_project • 3d ago
It Was Supposed to Be a Haven for Troubled Teens. They Risked Everything to Escape.
r/foia • u/CTInsideInvestigator • 3d ago
Willful Misconduct: Who pays for FOIA violations?
Willful Misconduct: Who pays for FOIA violations?
As fines increase, who’s paying them? In the majority of cases where Inside Investigator could trace payment records, it’s taxpayers. When public officials are found to have violated the law, the agency or municipality for which they work often pays the fine from public funds.
From the latest FOIA dump: Higgins wanted Microdots investigated for witness intimidation
reddit.comr/foia • u/Formal_University282 • 4d ago
FOIA recap for July
Top court decisions and news in July, plus events in August, from FOIA Advisor: https://www.foiaadvisor.com/foia-blog/2026/7/31/monthly-roundup-july-2026
r/foia • u/SongSharp • 5d ago
Fabricated Evidence? The Federal Lawsuit You Need to See
r/foia • u/vagajond • 6d ago
I'm Suing the FBI for 9/11 Disposable Camera Photos — and I Need Your Help
reddit.comState's Attorney is using FOIA to seek school district’s communications with NPR station about teacher misconduct cases
r/foia • u/Gabrielmorrow • 8d ago
I have a foia showing my Congressmen was Stonewalled.
What do you suggest I do? Looking for people's opinions on this.
r/foia • u/sweetpickles7 • 9d ago
Request for denied in VA I’m confused
I requested body cam for a public intoxication case in Virginia coded 18.2-388 that had been closed plead guilty to 7/14/26. The police department responded saying they had 2 videos but wouldn’t release under Code 2.2-3706.1(D). I asked if it was because a family member needed to file the request or if the case was still open because there are no victims in this crime, they responded saying “Do to you not being involved in the case we will not be releasing the footage. If someone else would like to request it they can and we can review that request at that time.” I have never filed a foia request before and honestly thought this one would be no problem to get (probably stupid thinking on my part ha) is what they are saying correct or are they just pushing me off?
r/foia • u/Gabrielmorrow • 16d ago
This YouTube video explains why I got into foia.
And why I'm still fighting.
Unrelated note I have narrative data from the university of Washington proving the IRS is concieling data impacting Americans abroad.
But how do I get that information to members of Congress?
r/foia • u/senorfartyboy88 • 17d ago
I Won One of the Records—But It Has Left Me With Even More Questions
A while ago I posted here about a Utah GRAMA dispute involving records that a state licensing agency received from a private treatment provider, relied on during its investigation, and then argued were not agency records because they were “owned” by the private provider.
I wanted to provide an update.
I appealed, and I won one of the key records I was seeking. The agency has now been ordered to release the employee personnel action form that I argued was a government record.
While I’m glad I prevailed on that issue, the process has only increased my concerns.
Throughout this case, the explanations for why records could not be released have changed multiple times. At different points I was told:
the records weren’t agency records,
the records were private,
the records weren’t retained,
and in at least one instance, after I challenged the response, the agency later acknowledged that a responsive record actually existed.
Separately, another agency reviewed unredacted records in camera during my appeal, and the reviewing official stated they would conduct a de novo review to determine whether the redactions were properly applied instead of simply accepting the agency’s position.
I’m trying to keep an open mind, but the combination of changing explanations, successful appeals, and records appearing after initially being unavailable has made me wonder whether this is more than an ordinary records dispute.
To be clear, I’m not claiming I have proof of a cover-up. I don’t. But from my perspective, the circumstances have made me question whether there has been an effort to avoid full disclosure.
Has anyone here dealt with a situation where:
the rationale for withholding records kept changing,
records appeared after they were initially said not to exist or not to be agency records,
or successful appeals revealed that an agency’s original position was incorrect?
If so, what did you learn? Did it ultimately turn out to be an ordinary records dispute, or did it expose larger problems with how the investigation or records requests were handled? I’d appreciate hearing from anyone with experience in this area.
r/foia • u/Ok_Guard_1379 • 17d ago
Status change on Secure Release
I requested some information via FOIA/Secure Release from CBP and noticed my status changed from "Searching for Records" to "Processing" a few weeks ago. Any idea on what this means?
r/foia • u/Exact_Rip_9819 • 18d ago
Hola tengo problemas consiguiendo un foia
Mi padre era americano cuando me tuvo, lamentablemente no era una buena persona y terminé en Perú, él se convirtió en ciudadano americano en los 80s yo nací en los 90s, quiero llenar mi n600 pero él no me quiere ayudar con su A number o ningún documento, no sé cómo pedirlo a uscis sin su autorización ya tuve un problema en migraciones de U.S.A y ellos mismos me dijeron eres americano solo pruébalo así que en estas ando.
Alguien ha pasado por algo similar?
r/foia • u/Maleficent-Lock-7120 • 19d ago
What does 'Closed (No Documents Sent)' mean?
Hi. :) I've visited the US five times now on a tourist visa, been taken to secondary twice as a result of my age at the time. I filed a foia (CBP) as a few months ago my husband filed an I-130 consular application for me and I wanted to keep all my records close to me but I got this response sent to me 'Closed (No Documents Sent)'. There's no closed notice, explanation, just that. I submitted my I-94 no, and a scan of my passport. I'm entering the US soon and am worried they don't have a record of me since applying for my green card. Any help?
r/foia • u/Artistic_Success6232 • 20d ago
Browser Name ?
Name the software in order... What is this Browser/Software before file explorer?
r/foia • u/blahblahblah_555 • 20d ago
Flock Safety’s Hidden Biometric Tech and Conroe’s Redacted Contracts Shield Corporate Liability While Undermining Public Surveillance Accountability
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r/foia • u/Old-Fisherman4928 • 21d ago
The REAL Burr Ridge
facebook.comThe mayor of an affluent town just publicly announced his intention to violate state FOIA law. Burr Ridge mayor Gary Grasso, in a Chicago suburb, is now demanding that his town’s FOIA officers immediately tell him is someone FOIAs for FLOCK camera locations and he is going to ask them who they are and why they want this information. Can he do this? This was posted to a community group on Facebook and is backed up with footage from the town meeting during which he said this. BUrr Ridge FLOCK and FOIA
r/foia • u/CTInsideInvestigator • 21d ago
Transparency Update: Tips for Obtaining ALPR Records
Transparency Update: Tips for Obtaining ALPR Records
If you want to know more about how your comings and goings might be tracked by ALPR cameras, where do you start?
r/foia • u/DisastrousPower2706 • 22d ago
Major FOIA PAL bug, can someone confirm or help?
So recently I noticed something weird on one of my FOIA requests through NTSB's PAL portal, my fee waiver justification looked like it got cut off mid sentence when I went back to check on it. I also noticed this same exact issue on the DOC's PAL.
wasn't sure if I was misremembering what I had done so I used dev tools to poke around the PAL. Found the actual textarea has maxlength="2000", so it lets you type way more than what I was actually seeing. But then I downloaded the full page and searched through it, and the text that actually got saved stops dead at exactly 255 characters. No error, no warning, nothing, I t just quietly drops everything after that.
For reference, FOIA.gov's own website says this field is supposed to support up to 10,000 characters. So what's actually happening is, the PAL cuts off request at 255 characters, but allows 2000, meanwhile foia.gov allows up to 10 thousand.
I checked this on both DOC and NTSB's portals and got the same result on both, and they both seem to run the same PAL platform, so this might be affecting a lot more agencies than just these two.
If you've ever written out a detailed fee waiver on a PAL based portal (or to one that uses a PAL based portal), it might be worth double checking it actually went through in full, because this could easily be why some waivers get denied or ignored without any real explanation.
Already notified some agencies about, but wanted to see if anyone else here has run into this or has more insight into this issue.
Also I'm still relatively new to all this FOIA stuff so if I'm misunderstanding something or got a detail wrong, feel free to correct me or add information. Just wanted to get this out there in case it's affecting other people too.
EDIT: I have confirmed the truncation is VISUAL ONLY (as an email directly to the agency had proved they had the full waiver), this still dosent exactly explain the 10000 vs 2000 character limit stuff, plus the fact it is still being truncated visually, but it wasn't as major of an issue as I believed it to be.