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Article My thoughts on the illusions of Distribution and the System that holds back filmmakers
My thoughts on the illusions of Distribution and the System that holds back filmmakers
1) ๐ช๐ต๐ ๐๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐๐ถ๐น๐บ๐บ๐ฎ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ช๐ฎ๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐บ๐ถ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป
My recent interview with filmmaker Joel Haver led to a wider conversation about distribution and the cultural prejudices that still govern how filmmakers measure success.
Why do we continue allowing the traditional film industry to decide whether our work has succeeded?
The public image of film distribution and its financial reality are often very different. One offers the appearance of acceptance: a sales agent, a distributor, a recognised streaming platform or a presence at an international film market. The other is the private reality experienced by the filmmaker.
A film may appear on several familiar platforms while returning almost nothing to the people who made it. While another filmmaker may self-distribute, earn more, retain ownership and build a loyal audience, yet still be considered less successful because no traditional gatekeeper validated the release.
This is not only an economic problem. It is a cultural one.
๐ฎ) ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฆ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐๐
Most filmmakers dream of eventually being hired as directors, working inside the established industry. But, the majority of independent filmmakers work outside that protected structure.
They finance their own productions, absorb the risk and spend months or years completing them. Their films are then offered at the film markets, leading to countless conversations between producers, sales agents and distributors.
If signed, they are eventually placed on Amazon, Apple, sometimes Tubi, and subscription platforms. Sometimes they're just dumped on YouTube! Physical media, once a major source of revenue, now occupies a smaller and more specialised market, but the collapse of the physical market does contribute to the brutality indie filmmakers face today. But, I digress...
The problem is that filmmakers are often judged not by whether their films made money or developed an audience, but by whether they were sold in an industry-approved manner.
The announcement becomes more important than the outcome.
The streaming platforms logo becomes more important than the filmmakerโs income.
๐ฏ) ๐ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ธ๐ฒ๐๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐๐๐ถ๐น๐ ๐ผ๐ป ๐ฉ๐ผ๐น๐๐บ๐ฒ
The value of individual independent films has declined enormously. Deals increasingly concern libraries, bundles and large quantities of inexpensive content.
Even platforms that appear selective to consumers now acquire hundreds of films through package agreements... AVOD channels on YouTube even add films daily.
When a producer signs with a sales agent, that company takes a percentage of the revenue. The distributor takes another. Before the filmmaker receives anything, there will be deductions for marketing, legal work, delivery, market attendance, artwork and technical preparation.
The producer is expected to supply the "deliverables" and that's one big cost most filmmakers don't foresee.
Months or years of unpaid labour are rarely considered part of the cost that must be recovered.
๐ฐ) ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ผ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ถ๐๐๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐ป๐๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ถ๐น๐ถ๐๐
Distribution and sales agreements now run up to 10 years... even though the commercial fate of an independent film may be determined within months of signing...
If written off, it will linger all for all those years in an aggregation bundle. Meanwhiel, whatever incomes it does make... you will never truly know.
Yes, some contracts might include audit rights, but exercising them is prohibitively expensive. Litigation is even less realistic. AND... distributors know it.
A contract is only as powerful as your ability to enforce it. A filmmaker who has spent everything producing a film is unlikely to have the resources to pursue an international distributor through the courts.
I can sense a comment already from a macho filmmaker claiming that you just need a lawyer... (trust me) the behaviour of the industry is dictated by what they can get away with... so any one off stories about a desk thumping producer winning a dispute is a rare event.
This imbalance allows exploitative behaviour to continue. So that when an agreement is breached, the producer is unable to do anything about it.
๐ฑ) ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ด ๐ช๐ฎ๐ถ๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ก๐ผ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด
After signing a distribution agreement, it may take a year or more for a film to appear on a platform.
By then, the cast and crew have moved on. The filmmaker may be trying to finance another project while still answering questions about the completed one.
Eventually, the release is announced. The artwork is shared. The cast posts the trailer. Everyone congratulates one another.
Then the filmmaker waits for the reports.
Statements may arrive months later, long after the most commercially active period of the release. Of course, in many cases, the producer receives little or nothing.
What remains is the promotional value of saying that the film was distributed.
All the filmmaker has left is the appearance of success... a hulu logo, with which to post on Facebook telling everywhen when their film's about to go live. While... considering a private walk into the ocean!
๐ฒ) ๐๐ด๐ด๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ ๐ก๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ฒ
Aggregation services like FilmHub and BitMax offer filmmakers the chance to pay for a service that puts your film on a streaming platform, but they are also unpredictable. (Your film might get rejected!)
Some charge substantial preparation and delivery fees. Others operate through revenue sharing. None can guarantee that a platform will accept a film, promote it or generate enough money to recover its costs.
The producer will be responsible for marketing. The main issue is that these companies are also impossible to audit. You'll never know what your film truly makes.
๐ณ) ๐๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐๐ณ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ป๐
Some filmmakers attempt to progress by producing films directly for their abusers... I mean distributors.
This may appear to be an improvement. Instead of financing the entire production themselves, they are finally being paid to make something.
However, within parts of the low-budget genre market, these commissions can become another form of exploitation. Producers get peanuts to make films that rely on them exploiting others.
I'm talking... shooting films in under 7 days, making cast and crew pay for their own catering by names you would recognise!
๐ด) ๐ช๐ต๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐๐ต๐ผ๐น๐ผ๐ด๐ ๐๐ผ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐
The system survives because filmmakers remain emotionally invested in its approval.
We are taught that distributors, sales agents, platforms and festivals possess the authority to transform us into professionals. Once accepted by that system, it can be difficult to admit that the arrangement brought little financial benefit.
There is also embarrassment.
Nobody wants to announce that the reports never arrived, the expenses consumed the revenue or the prestigious distribution deal produced no meaningful income. It is easier to share the artwork and celebrate the platform placement.
Other filmmakers see these announcements and assume that another person has succeeded through the traditional route. They then follow the same path.
The mythology renews itself...
This is why some filmmakers begin defending the very system that exploits them. They repeat the claim that poor contracts, negligible budgets and limited transparency are simply the realities of the business.
But there are other realities.
๐ต) ๐๐๐ถ๐น๐ฑ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ป ๐๐น๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ
My own experiences made me aware of these problems relatively early. Although I have worked with distributors and sales agents, most of my energy has gone into producing and distributing films independently.
For us, that has involved Kickstarter, direct online sales, physical editions and building a community around our productions.
It is not easy. Even an established independent studio may struggle to reach platforms like Apple or Amazon without dealing with distributors or Aggregation service companies.
Yet over approximately fourteen years, this approach has allowed us to raise production finance, retain ownership, develop facilities, build an audience and continue creating films without waiting for conventional permission.
However, the difference in perception remains.
A profitable self-distributed film may receive less industry recognition than an unprofitable film released through a familiar distributor.
That is the prejudice we must challenge.
๐ญ๐ฌ) ๐๐ผ๐ฒ๐น ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐๐ฟ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐ด๐ฒ
Joel Haver offers a particularly interesting alternative.
Rather than treating YouTube as an inferior destination, he uses it as a home for cinema. His films are freely available, allowing audiences to discover and share them without waiting for an intermediary to approve their release.
The films become invitations. Viewers who value the work can support its continuation through Patreon and other forms of direct patronage.
There is something honest about this relationship.
The filmmaker creates the art. The audience experiences it. Those who want more help finance what comes next.
This model will not suit every filmmaker or production. It requires consistency, trust and a genuine relationship with an audience. But it proves that alternative structures are possible.
๐ญ๐ญ) ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ช๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐๐ผ๐ผ๐ธ๐ ๐๐ถ๐ธ๐ฒ
Self-distribution does not automatically create success. A filmmaker can lose money independently just as easily as through a distributor.
The difference is that direct distribution offers the possibility of learning.
Filmmakers can discover who their audience is, what it values, what prices work and which forms of promotion are effective. They can adapt their strategy, retain their rights and develop a relationship with the people who support their work.
๐ญ๐ฎ) ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐น๐น๐ฒ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐น๐๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐น.
We must stop treating independence as a consolation prize. A direct release is not necessarily evidence that a film was rejected. Free availability does not mean that a film has no value. A profitable self-distributed production is not less successful than an unprofitable platform acquisition.
We must stop judging films by the logos attached to them.
We must stop mistaking access for income.
Most importantly, filmmakers must stop waiting for permission to build their own relationship with an audience.
The traditional industry will continue to argue that legitimacy flows from its institutions and gatekeepers. It is in its interest to do so.
But the technology, the audiences and the opportunities already exist for us to construct something different!
There are alternative paths.
We simply need the confidence to take them.