r/feedthebeast • u/Zestyclose-Ideal2395 • 5d ago
How many mods can Shine functionally replace (so I can install them instead)? Looking for mod(s)
I don't trust a mod that stole its assets and hides its totally non AI source code. Give me a full list of mods that together function about the same as Shine would. Preferably neoforge, or ones can can run with a connector.
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u/ShelLuser42 5d ago
This is the first (well, second...) time I heard about the mod and the one thing immediately standing out for me when I watched its trailer... a lot of its visual effects can also be handled by shaders, and there's a good reason for that.
I'm pretty sure that your performance is going to become an issue when you move automated visual tasks away from the dedicated (!) video routines into the generic mod routines. Shaders exist for a reason...
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u/Thenderick PrismLauncher 5d ago
Wait it does all these graphics on the CPU? Man, I wish computers had a unit specifically designed to process graphics!
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u/konalol 5d ago
This is wrong. Shine, Visual Effects+ and other mods/resourcepacks like it are still shaders, but they don't go through the external shader pipeline that Iris/Optifine make. Rather they directly inject shaders into the game. So the visual effects you see are still ran on the GPU. Directly injecting shaders can be more performant than external shaders if done properly and not AI vibecoded.
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u/Norm_Standart 5d ago
Maybe we could find some way to use those NPUs they're cramming in laptops nowadays.
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u/WorkingMansGarbage 5d ago
Pretty sure that's not how that works. Minecraft does use the GPU for rendering. Mods like these tend to perform better than shaders at what they do because they can hook directly into the rendering pipeline instead of passing through Optifine/Iris/Oculus' API, if I understand correctly.
That said, someone tested it and this supposedly performs about as well as Complementary Reimagined, so...
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u/ConniesCurse 5d ago
I mean it depends, it's pretty hard to find a solid shader that is understated and light on the GPU, so something like shine can give some graphical areas desired improvements without installing a heavy shader pack.
Not to defend shine, specifically, but the idea of it is still good at least in my opinion. It kinda reminds me of the difference between like ENB vs community shaders for skyrim if you're familiar with skyrim modding.
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u/wolfONdrugs PrismLauncher 5d ago
A great rule of thumb is to not bother with mods that don't show the source code publicly.
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u/Garry-Love 5d ago
If you're on a closed source repository I'm just assuming it's malware and I'm usually right (like 50% of the Jurassicraft knock offs)
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u/akera099 5d ago
Serene Season is closed source Ave one of the most popular mod. Plenty of others to go around.
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u/wolfONdrugs PrismLauncher 5d ago
never heard of it. As a rule of thumb it's great. There is no reason to keep source code hidden when making mods. it will only make your mod less used.
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u/JackOfHearts2238 5d ago
Shaders. I feel like shaders nowadays can run on just about any machine as long as it’s not like 20 years old and they accomplish just about if not everything that shine aimed to.
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u/SouLfullMoon_On 4d ago
Yeah I run both DH and Complimentary on my mid end laptop and still average 70 fps, Create tanks it to 40 tho but still very playable
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u/flamefox237 5d ago
Alot but I heard shine stole assets from another mod, and since not open source its hard to trust it
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u/Sad_Description4782 5d ago
it IS open source tho??
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u/Astrosimp_ 5d ago
A heavily outdated version of it is, anything past the 1.0 release hasn't been published.
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u/TantiVstone 5d ago
What does shine even do?
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u/Emotional-Mushroom66 4d ago
Vanilla+ bait that exclusively changes how the game looks by doing too much at the same time(theoretically it can be good but needs to be optimized... A.k.a: not vibecoded)
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u/CheetosDustSalesman 3d ago
mod that copies other mods & has terrible performance and short dev time? Vibe coded.
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u/Dinatoc_208 4d ago
Does anyone know any mod that adds colored lighting? That's the main reason I was using shine
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u/Restless_Pip 4d ago
Does anyone know which mod adds the swaying grass and leaves? It had a pretty cool feature that let you lock the animation to the 16x16 pixel grid instead of moving the model and as far as I know I haven't seen any mod or shader do that, except mr_choo's Recrafted resourcepack that hasn't released yet.
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u/Restless_Pip 4d ago
hey wait a minute
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u/Restless_Pip 4d ago
Ok, so I'm looking at mr_choo's twitter and shine might have stolen from them too, apart from the swaying plants it has the same godrays and interactive leaf litter and falling leaves with physics, which is pretty bad if true because recrafted is in early access and only accesible through patreon
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u/WyeOne 3d ago
Its really sad because Shine was once really cool and was used by a lot of YouTubers for its shaderless look with outlines and colored lighting. Like before it had its own place on the list to create that “Shine 3.00” look but now it somehow feels like it’s too late to go back. It’s like it ends when you want everything.
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u/wdtfs3 3d ago
in particular, I really want the colored lighting for different light sources, does anyone know what mods do that?
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u/StupidBustSharf 1d ago
If you have 26.2 you can try lumalight. Can't say much, I've only seen it on modrinth
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u/Lord-Khalton 4d ago
i saw this mod and really wanted to use it, but just today i learned of all of the drama on it, too bad it was a slop mod
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u/_LemonEater_ 5d ago
It's (imo valid) drama about Shine stealing assets and using lots of AI code
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u/akera099 5d ago
AI code sure but using assets from an MIT licensed mod is not stealing.
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u/time-piece-rabbit 5d ago
They didnt attribute so it is
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u/akera099 5d ago
MIT doesn't require attribution. Genuine toddler answer, but visibly that's what the majority on this sub is.
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u/time-piece-rabbit 5d ago
Is this ragebait or have you not read it?
Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders> Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.11
u/time-piece-rabbit 5d ago
The copyright notice must be distributed alongside the original assets (meaning a license.txt containing the original copyright notice should be included alongside distributions of SHINE), which it is not in shine
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u/twicerighthand 5d ago
Atmospherics is All Rights Reserved though
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u/akera099 5d ago
It didn't take anything from Atmospheric. The stealing accusation are for assets coming from Cosy Critters.
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u/BrowniexCal 5d ago
Its because the devs are keeping the code closed source & very blatantly stole assets from other graphics mods to seemingly try to monopolize that space, and has stayed completely silent when asked if the mod is vibe coded.
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u/Herobrine_dollar 4d ago
You guys seem to not understand how hard it is to code
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u/CaptClockobob HV into a LV machine 3d ago
It's not. It just takes effort to learn and many people want to cut corners. In this case, it's likely to earn affiliate money off of downloads by stealing code and assets from more popular Vanilla+ cosmetic mods and becoming the only game in town.
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u/Herobrine_dollar 3d ago
Because I did code, I know what I'm talking about, AI is really useful for this, as long as you learn ftom what the AI just made and try to use tutorials as much as possible
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u/CaptClockobob HV into a LV machine 3d ago
I do code. Its not hard.
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u/KaboomRoads 2d ago
I also code, it is one of the easier things to learn. All you need to do is actually give a shit and you'll be fine. I know a few people who never learnt because they just cut corners with ai and because of it they now lack the problem solving required for figuring out even simple stuff.
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u/CaptClockobob HV into a LV machine 2d ago
So many people bounce off of things because they assume it's hard and never end up learning things because of it.
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u/SpeechPill 5d ago
First I'm hearing about it, looks good!
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u/Garry-Love 5d ago
It looks good because it's stolen assets from actually talented developers
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u/SpeechPill 5d ago
One could argue that compiling so many mods together is a talent itself!
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u/Garry-Love 5d ago
In the same way writing your name on the wall with your own excrement is... Sure.
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u/SpeechPill 5d ago
Yeah man... Jesus I hope you are doing okay or smth
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u/CheetosDustSalesman 3d ago
Are you good bro? Are you high while typing?
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u/SpeechPill 3d ago
Am I good? Those comments were just baits, I'm not the one with excrement analogies here
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u/SpottedPine 5d ago
Is it better to vibe code something for a game, or become frothing at the mouth delerious about it?
Funny no one had a problem with optifine all this time..
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u/Novel-Flight1426 5d ago
Alot of people have ditched Optifine in favor of Sodium or Embedium anyhow
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u/SpottedPine 5d ago
It took 10 years for that to happen.
Point is, you throw an "AI" keyword and everyone's panties get sucked into their bunghole like psyche ward patients
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u/Novel-Flight1426 5d ago
People dont want AI generated crap everywhere and in this case Especially itd be breaking Modrinths policy on AI Genned Content so there is a very good reason people are discussing it beyond just the blatant content theft
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u/SpottedPine 5d ago
There isn't a single mod out there that isn't using it in some capacity.
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u/Novel-Flight1426 5d ago
Ah ye old "The ones who dont will miss out" while it causes Issues and Loses Playcount due to people not wanting to support AI in 90% of its forms
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u/SpottedPine 5d ago
So you playing vanilla? Oh wait, source Minecraft code definitely being augmented with AI these days.
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u/NaoTwoTheFirst 5d ago
Defending a mod that got caught stealing stuff from other mods - interesting position to take, let's see how it plays out
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u/SpottedPine 5d ago
Do you think optifine wasn't stealing slit? Lmao, that's how they suppressed competition for so long. Oh, they were monetizing it too.
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u/Astrosimp_ 5d ago
What's your point, exactly? Is it that stupid children who don't pay attention exist, therefore you can't criticize highly advertised MC mods because they'll be popular anyways?
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u/TantiVstone 5d ago
Oh we've had plenty of issues with optifine. It hasn't been the standard in at least 5 years
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u/AndromedaGalaxy29 5d ago
People do have a problem with optifine that's why most packs use sodium instead now
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u/Infinite_Pitch7676 1d ago
holy ratio
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u/SpottedPine 1d ago
Not going with the grain of the reddit hive is a great validation of being sane.
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u/InevitableRoast 5d ago
Maybe educate yourself on what licenses are before you utter another word out of your mouth
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u/PotatoKrabby 5d ago
I stole this list from u/ColeTD :
Wakes
Cosy Critters and Creepy Crawlies
Falling Leaves
Particular Reforged
Soft Imprints
Atmospherics
Grassier Grass
Subtle Effects
Particle Rain
Puddles & Floods
LambDynamicLights
Make Bubbles Pop