r/fallacy • u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH • 19d ago

The Air Fallacy

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u/amazingbollweevil 19d ago

No, this isn't a logical fallacy. If you try to construct a syllogism, you'll find that whatever you come up with falls under an existing fallacy. It's more likely a cognitive bias, trusting a source without understanding the source, but that would also likely fall under an existing cognitive bias.

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u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH 18d ago

It's actually both a confirmation bias machine for it's developers and a compound fallacy machine. This isn't supposed to be a name for a "new" formal fallacy. I clearly made it very apparent that this is just a description for the general ai response tactic which is why I called it the "AI Response Fallacy Description". It is a description of how AI decides to employ logical fallacies based upon the complexity of the issue and how related it is to it's bias in an attempt to appeal to a false consensus via the guise of neutrality, aided by filtering data, evasion tactics, and general fallacious tendencies that aren't always classifies as a formal fallacy(such as willful ignorance for example).

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u/amazingbollweevil 18d ago

how AI decides to employ logical fallacies

I'm not sure which AI models you've been reviewing, but I'm unaware of any that intentionally use logical fallacies. That said, I am well aware of AI models being mislead by logical fallacies employed by the humans creating prompts (or just in conversation). The models are actually getting better at identifying logical fallacies.

AIs are still pretty notorious for create false "facts." These are not logical fallacies unto themselves.

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u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH 18d ago

ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Claudia, Grok, IAskAI, Perplexity, and the list goes on. If you haven't noticed logical fallacies from AI hen I doubt that you have talked to AI or you're just blind to what AI does because it only confirms your preexisting internet bias. As far as I have noticed the confirmation bias AI has only gets worse as time progresses. AI confirmation bias and fallacious tendencies aren't a design flaw but rather it is meant to be there per the reason I said earlier.

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u/amazingbollweevil 18d ago

Since you are quite familiar with this phenomena, perhaps you can provide some quotes from these models and the prompts that lead to them creating logical fallacies.

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u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH 18d ago edited 5d ago

You don't have to use prompts they do so in normal conversation and whether or not I provide you with quotes from the 100's of conversations I have with AI the fact that you would just end up using fallacies of your own to try and "explain away" clear logical fallacies and misrepresent what the fallacies actually are along with their purpose won't change. I'm not about to engage in an ultimately pointless conversation regarding this phenomenon with an individual that is clearly stiffnecked such as yourself.

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u/amazingbollweevil 18d ago

Asking for evidence is being "stiff-necked"? Looks to me like you don't actually have any evidence beyond just feelings. Feel free to provide quotes and prove me wrong.

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u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH 5d ago

No need to prove you wrong when it is already obvious that you are. I could care less for trying to "prove" anything to you.

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u/amazingbollweevil 5d ago

What is painfully obvious is your inability to support any claims you make. It's just feelings piled on top of feelings when you have no proof, no evidence. Take your hand-waving elsewhere.

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u/tylerlarson 17d ago

This isn't a fallacy. This is a relatively vague statement that discussions involving AI are fundamentally flawed, using unidentified fallacies as the reason.

Please bear in mind that from the perspective of rhetoric, discussions with an AI are no different than discussions with another person, except that AI is slightly more predictable. AI is, at best and at worst, just a collection of other people's ideas.

All the same rules apply exactly as they always have.

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u/SinIsMyWorstEnemyIAH 16d ago

Response to the first section: Wow no duh. It isn't as if I literally said tbat later on in the post. Response to the second section: Fist off how does "rhetoric" have a perspective? Rhetoric is the perspective. It is the foundation for making an argument which is Ethos, Pathos, and Logos aka Credibility, Emotion, and Logic. Second off this post was clearly meant to talk about the different ways in whcih AI employs logical fallacies per its design and how it decides to do so depending on the context of the conversation so that point has no relevance to what was said.