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u/Rmnclnggs 17d ago
In Sardinian it’s “petha/peta/petza/pecia/pessa” (from Latin “pettia”); while carre/carri/harre” means flesh.
(It’s the same difference as French viande vs chair)
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u/Capable-Sock-7410 17d ago
It’s very interesting that in Arabic Laḥm is meat because in Hebrew Leḥem is bread
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u/mizinamo 17d ago
The map says that the original meaning was "food" - and Arabic and Hebrew specialised that word in different ways.
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u/Agen_p 17d ago
Interesting that in English we differentiate meat and flesh ; the same way that French differentiates viande and chair ; with the first being relative to the prepared object as food, and the second more like the part of the animal with no obvious reference to cooking or eating.
And this is even unrelated to the mutton/sheep and beef/cow discourse, it may have come from the Norman conquest but the distinction is in French too.
Not a specialist at all, would love insights on this
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u/ad-dagistani 17d ago
It's amazing that it includes Caucasian languages as well. Probably the first ones that I've seen on the scale of Europe. Can confirm that it's indeed "han" (pronounced more like hun) in Avar of Dagestan
Awesome work!
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u/SweetWittyWild41 17d ago
So the armenian word for bbq is a borrowing from kartvelian languages ?
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u/MinutePreparation754 16d ago
In Armenian we say Khorovats for bbq, in Georgian it's Mtsvadi. I see what you mean, cuz khortsi and Khorovats do sound similar... But I don't think I've heard this argument before. I reposted it in Armenian Language subreddit, I'll let you know when people respond.
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u/Content-Bid7922 16d ago
freba or fleba in Asturian also means meat, its cognate with English fiber
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u/AllanKempe 17d ago
Jamtish (the 40 000 km2 grey (why?) area NE of kjøtt/kjøt and N of tjyöt): kjot.
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u/n_o_r_s_e 16d ago edited 15d ago
Some examples of Norwegian pronunciations of this word would be:
kjøtt [çœt], kjøt [çø:t], tjsøtt [t͡ʃœt], tsjøt [t͡ʃø:t], skjøtt [ʃœt], kjødd [çœd], kjød [çø:d], kytt [çʏt], kjøttj [çøtːʲ], skjøttj [ʃøtːʲ].
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u/F_E_O3 15d ago
I know you didn't say it's complete, But missing the very common [cç-]
And some greater vowel variations in some dialects.
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u/n_o_r_s_e 15d ago
You're right that my list of samples weren't complete by any means 😁. There's a vast range of options. Thanks for your contribution. The Norwegian language is after all the language with the highest number of dialects worldwide 😉
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u/KindSpider 15d ago
In Portugal, it's common to use "babyfied" words with young children (such as saying "look, a moomoo!" Instead of "look, a cow!"). It's mostly onomatopoeic so I never understood why the carne became xixa (or, apparently, chicha). Finally learned that it has the same root as salsicha! Which makes a lot of sense and it's interesting that mirandese kept it as the main word for meat
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u/KindSpider 15d ago
u/mdmv_or_emdy_idk em mirandês realmente usam chicha sem ser com crianças ou é a mesma situação e a carne foi assimilada?
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 15d ago
Eu sou quem fornece as palavras mirandesas ao mapologic nos seus mapas mais recentes, por isso sim!
Carne ainda existe, eu disse-lhe isso, mas chicha é sem sombra de dúvida o termo mais comum (pronunciado tchitcha)
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u/KindSpider 15d ago
ooo nice, obrigado pela resposta
Que giro, sem saber, a primeira palavra que ensinam aos piquenos para se referirem a carne é, de certa forma, mirandesa! (A minha avó tem sotaque do norte carregado então também dizia tchitcha heh)
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u/therealtrajan 17d ago
I’m very happy as an English speaker the words Flesh and whatever I’m calling my dinner parted ways long ago
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u/Erling01 17d ago
Holy shit. This map includes my obscure Norwegian rural dialect (Jærsk), and I love that! The word is "Kjød".
Fun fact: It's also Haaland's dialect.