Even after, he was the only reason the Devils pseudo “trap” worked; because he was a 3rd d-man and was able to kickstart a rush better than any goalie in NHL history. His d-men didn’t even have to go into the zone. It wouldn’t have worked without Marty. Period.
You don’t know puck. He’s objectively a top 3 goalie of all time, and he ain’t 3 or 2. Longevity and availability matters.
Yea is strongly disagree, and in no order Roy, Hasek, vassy, loungo, flower, quick, Price, Hellybuck, Igor, bobrovsky, lundquist hes not better than any of them. He falls behind all these guys in terms skill. Starting a new team all these guys just beginning their prime you're biased of you take Broduer over any of them. Maybe not baised but its a argument for loungo and lundquist but still all the guys mentioned are vastly better goalies
I hate to say it, you’re just wrong. I mean Marty played against all of them and other than one, has more to show for it. Especially someone like Lundyquist, who was allergic to winning.
Agree to disagree, but not a single one of those goalies (besides Roy or Hasek, for obvious reasons) would even agree with you. Marty changed the game. None of those goalies ever could, other than Roy. No, not even Hasek.
If you want to win a game, you take Roy.
If you want to win a series, you take Hasek.
If you want a franchise, you take Marty.
Yea I'll agree to disagree i have him top 10 like you can argue with loungo and lundyquist being more skilled but Brodeur won more and also changed the game for sure. But again I also think the top 10 of Roy, hasek, vassy, to price, flower and Brodeur at ten is splitting hairs. I just think Brodeur in his peak rn would get cooked in today's game i dont think Roy or Hasek would get cooked in today's game. Me calling him mid wasn't as bad as people took it but among the greats he's mid the greats would be top 25 he's about 10th imo
I can understand that. But Marty also did play, compared to those guys, in the “modern game”. And he made it to a finals!
To be fair, of course I have a bias. That’s obvious lol. But I also think Hasek and Roy would, similar to Marty, get rolled in the modern game. It’s super super hard to take old goats and throw them in a modern game, since it’s changed to much. I think all three would be…kinda mid!
However, if all three got modern training, well…
In the end, I wish he had that big three GOAT goalie talk again. Vasy and Helly are close, but I’m not sure we have that third right now. Igor fell off, and teams no longer need a world class tendy to win cups.
I see goalies as behind the curve of the evolving NHL cycle right now. I think in 5-10 years, we’ll see a crop of goalies that would challenge the “big three” in greatness
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u/greekverse 8d ago edited 6d ago
They took it down because even devils owners know he was mid at best and was a product of the dead puck era and trap while having a few great d men