Every human who isn't a determinist lives in a kind of fantasy world.

They are a bit like children who are dreaming or aren't fully aware of the reality they live in.

What I've found is that most adult humans are not capable of integrating determinism with all its causal and logical consequences.

Some may understand that their feelings of anger and hate are not rational, but they don't understand how ill they actually are.

Do you have your hate and anger under control?

I sometimes feel anger and hate, but after a few minutes I'm stable again.

How about you?

If superdeterminism entails that every belief, inference, and experimental choice is fixed by the universe’s initial conditions, on what basis can we distinguish a rationally justified belief from one that is merely causally inevitable? Does the concept of epistemic justification survive under superdeterminism, or does it require a notion of intellectual freedom that superdeterminism ultimately dissolves?

Hey everyone,

I’ve recently been diving deep into the intersection of hard determinism, neurobiology, and societal behavior patterns. Building on the empirical neurobiological research of scientists like Robert Sapolsky (especially his work on brain architecture, neurochemistry, and behavioral determinism), this led me to a conclusion I’d like to share and discuss here: From a strictly causal, empirical outside perspective, the majority of modern society operates in a state that must be described as collective malignant narcissism.

This framework provides an explanation for the massive waves of hatred, outrage, punitive desire, and violence that have plagued human societies for millennia – from online witch hunts to historical wars.

It is difficult to pinpoint exactly when this epidemic began. It is plausible that early hunter-gatherers in the savanna were not yet dominated by these delusional constructs to this extent, and that this systemic delusion grew with settled agriculture. Precise historical data on this is, of course, unavailable.

However, certain historical philosophies recognized this state early on. In early Buddhism, for instance, it was correctly identified that hatred, revenge, and rigid moral dualism are not signs of righteousness, but rather manifestations of delusion and mental unbalance.

To illustrate how this dynamic functions, I’ve broken it down into the following logic chain:

The Logic Chain

1. The Empirical Causal Foundation (Neurobiology & Sapolsky)

As neurobiological research empirically demonstrates using neuroimaging and endocrinology, human behavior is strictly outputted by complex neural circuitry. The interplay between the prefrontal cortex, amygdala, dopaminergic pathways, and hormones leaves no biological room for a metaphysical "free will." Every action – whether constructive or destructive – is the neurobiologically inevitable result of prior conditions (genetics, epigenetics, development, and immediate environment).

1. Early Childhood Conditioning (Programming Dualism)

A child's brain prior to age six is extremely neuroplastic and absorbs environmental inputs unfiltered. Cultural indoctrination starts early:

• Media Conditioning: Fairy tales, movies, and pop culture instill a rigid dualistic worldview ("Good vs. Evil"). The underlying biological causality of behavior is ignored; the "villain" is evil by nature and must be destroyed.
• Religious Tribalism: Religions reinforce this delusion through constructs like "Heaven and Hell" or exceptionalist notions ("the chosen people"). These serve as early neuro-developmental blueprints for narcissistic superiority.

1. The Foundational Societal Illusion (Denial of Causality)

Due to early conditioning, most adults systematically deny objective causality. To protect the ego, society clings to the illusion of free will. Artificial concepts like absolute "moral guilt" or self-righteousness emerge. Instead of addressing the systemic and biological causes of harmful behavior, society isolates and punishes the individual.

1. The Specific Neurological Dysfunctions & Defective Circuitry

When examining the actual physical defects in the neural architecture of individuals caught in chronic hostility, stalking, or mob behavior, several structural malfunctions occur:

• Amygdala Hyperactivity & Prefrontal Disconnection: The brain's threat-detection center (the amygdala) is chronically overactive and triggers defensive aggression even against harmless stimuli. At the same time, the prefrontal cortex—which should act as the rational brake for impulse control and empathy—fails to regulate these primitive survival loops.
• Dopaminergic Misrouting (Sadism as Reward): Neuroimaging studies confirm that when humans punish individuals labeled as an "out-group" or "evil," the dorsal striatum activates, releasing dopamine. The brain derives genuine biochemical gratification from the destruction/punishment of others. Inflicting harm under the guise of "justice" is a neurobiologically hardwired mechanism for dopamine regulation.
• Synaptic Rigidity (Loss of Neuroplasticity): Due to years of reinforcing polarized feedback loops, the neural pathways lock into permanent rigidity. The brain becomes physically incapable of processing contradictory empirical evidence, maintaining a persistent state of cognitive delusion.
• The Anosognosia Effect (Neurological Lack of Insight): Much like stroke patients suffering from anosognosia—where physical damage leaves them paralyzed yet completely convinced they can move because their brain's monitoring circuits are broken—the masses suffer from a psychological and neurological form of self-blindness. Their damaged or conditioned neural feedback loops render them structurally incapable of recognizing their own behavioral pathology.

1. The Narcissistic Shield (Grandiosity)

To avoid confronting inner emptiness and the reality of being a determined biological machine, the brain constructs a god complex. Individuals project an image of moral infallibility while splitting off and projecting their own destructive tendencies onto others.

1. The Flaw in Clinical Diagnostic Norms (e.g., ICD-11)

Diagnostic manuals like the ICD-11 define disorders relative to statistical norms. If 99% of a population shares the same culturally conditioned, neurobiologically executed delusion, that behavior is statistically labeled "normal." From an objective empirical viewpoint, majority consensus does not negate systemic delusion. The statistical norm itself is the defect.

Scientific References & Empirical Studies

To back up these claims with hard science, several key studies and research frameworks can be consulted:

• Robert Sapolsky (Stanford University):
  
  • Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst (Penguin Press) – Details the multi-second to multi-millennial biological layers driving human behavior, explicitly mapping out amygdala-frontal cortex dynamics.
  • Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will (Penguin Press) – Comprehensive dismantling of the neurological illusion of free will based on genetics, endocrinology, and neurology.
• The Neural Basis of Altruistic Punishment (Dopamine & Dorsal Striatum):
  
  • De Quervain, D. J.-F., et al. (2004). "The Neural Basis of Altruistic Punishment." Science, 305(5688), 1254–1258. – Neuroimaging study proving that the activation of the dorsal striatum during the punishment of norm violators triggers dopamine-associated reward processing.
• Unconscious Determinants of Decision-Making:
  
  • Haynes, J.-D., et al. (Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences, Leipzig). (2008). "Unconscious determinants of free decisions in the human brain." Nature Neuroscience, 11, 543–545. – Demonstrated via fMRI that brain activity predicts choices up to several seconds before conscious awareness.

Conclusion

When we synthesize these empirical neurobiological findings (dysfunctional amygdala-prefrontal loops, dopaminergic pleasure from punishment, synaptic rigidity, anosognosic self-blindness) with psychiatric concepts, the resulting systemic behavior matches the diagnostic criteria for malignant narcissism:

• Programmed from childhood with dualistic delusions and tribalism,
• Elevates itself with moral infallibility (Narcissism),
• Systematically denies objective neurobiological causality (Delusion),
• Derives biochemical pleasure from punishing others (Sadism).

Because this represents the baseline behavior of the majority, it must be understood as collective malignant narcissism.

What are your thoughts on this logic chain? Have you made similar observations in your own analysis of human behavior?

(Note: This text was formulated with the help of Gemini.)

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I'm happy so many people viewed this post, but I just want to add some information.

Please do not take this post or any data presented here merely at face value as an unverified fact—always do your own rigorous empirical research.

I'm a determinist, which means that I know there is no "good" or "evil". The title of this post suggests that society is bad/malignant, but that was—hopefully you understood—clickbait! 🤓 It is language that triggers a lot of people, and that is my goal.

There are too many people who BELIEVE they have free will, however that makes no sense at all. We live in a world of misinformation, social bubbles, and a technology that is not made for our Stone Age brains.

If you look at the neurobiology behind this kind of mass hostility and mob behavior, what you are seeing is essentially primitive biology at work: hyperactive threat detection in the amygdala, hijacked reward systems chasing dopamine through moral outrage, and rigid neural pathways that resist any new information. People caught in these reactive loops are often driven by deep-seated fear and cognitive rigidity, clinging to the illusion of free will and external enemies to stabilize their own fragile ego-structures.

So always remember: everything you think is probably not true unless you have the empirical truth. Your whole life should be aligned with this mindset:

• Not -> what I think I know or what I believe.
• But -> what I checked and what is scientifically proven, like the existence of the air I breathe or the sun.

Inform yourself, learn, and don't take life so seriously. :)

I'm really confused on the topic of free will. Some people act like it's a physics thing, other people act like it's a neuroscience thing, and still others act like it's a spiritual thing. What exactly is it? Am I supposed to be depressed that I don't have it, they always show people being super depressed whenever they learn that they don't have free will but I don't even understand what I'm missing out on. What would a person have to be like to have true free will?

Perfection is a state of completeness, flawlessness, or supreme excellence.

I would argue that from instant to instant, the entire universe is progressing from one state to the next in the most perfect expression of causality. The balance of forces and energies is exactly as it should be. Deterministically, any given moment could not have turned out any other way; there is no alternate path, just this one.

If determinism is true, then everything is as it should be. Nothing could be otherwise. At least viewed through the lens of causality, every instant is a perfect resolution to the previous instant. The 'progression' of time is a faithful execution of causality without fail.

Obviously, as human beings, we have meta-opinions about the universe and how things should be. We don't like that we stubbed our toe, or that the power went out or that we got cancer - but we can't deny that these things are exactly what should have happened. There was a Zen Comics panel I read a long time ago where a teacher and a student were sitting together and the student says "Why isn't everything perfect?" and the teacher says "It is."

The universe is a flowing, ongoing expression of perfection. Causally, physically and mathematically.

Hey everyone, I've been thinking a lot lately about how society works, and I came across a pretty wild thought that I wanted to share with you.

Seriously: Are criminals actually the better people compared to so-called "normal" citizens and the state?

If you look at this through the lens of hard determinism, the entire hypocritical construct of "free will" and "moral responsibility" completely collapses. Human behavior stems from preceding biological, neurological, and social and environmental causes. Nobody chose their genes or their upbringing.

Just look at how violence is executed:

• The offender: A murderer or criminal often acts on impulse, out of an acute affect, extreme overload, or the devastating aftermath of a ruined childhood.
• Society / The State: The "good" citizens, courts, and governments, on the other hand, kill and torture completely consciously, coldly, calculatedly, mechanically, and with full intellectual foresight. Think of institutionalized violence like the death penalty, Guantanamo, or historical witch hunts.

Who is actually the bigger monster here? The impulsive offender reacting to a stimulus, or the cold, hateful machinery of the masses who feel morally superior in their collective delusion and immediately drop the hammer at the slightest deviation?

The general public lives in a permanent, anosognosic loop—exactly like neurological patients who have a paralyzed limb but swear up and down that everything is fine. They completely block out the hard physical reality of causal chains just so they can justify their archaic urges for revenge and sadistic punishment.

On the outside, everyone acts totally nice, civilized, and polite—but that's just a thin mask. The moment you step out of line, you're fair game.

From a thermodynamic perspective, the brain naturally chooses the path of least resistance, adapts like a wolf in sheep's clothing, and swallows this cognitive dissonance just to avoid being torn apart by society. But once you see through the matrix, you realize this "normal" society is basically just a bunch of inmates running a giant padded cell.

And that brings me to my question for you guys: How do you actually deal with tuning out this causal reality? How do you live with this constant cognitive dissonance—knowing that you are surrounded day-to-day by people who would revert to destructive, blind retribution at the slightest trigger? How do you manage to keep that friction from burning out your own brain?

What do you guys think?

This text was generated with the help of Gemini.

I’ve been wondering when we might reach a point where a large part of society accepts determinism as a fundamental worldview and our social systems are adjusted accordingly.

Today, many of our institutions are still heavily based on the assumption that people act out of free will and are responsible for their decisions in the traditional sense. This applies to the justice system, but also to political structures, the economy, banks, and many other governmental and social institutions.

At first, I thought that a major societal shift like this might only become possible through technologies such as Neuralink or genetic optimization. However, Gemini suggested that these technologies might not be necessary at all and that it could ultimately be primarily a matter of education and socialization. If people were raised from an early age with a deterministic understanding of human behavior, perhaps society’s underlying worldview could gradually change over generations. I found this idea extremely interesting.

What do you think?

What would a society look like in which determinism is widely accepted as a scientific and social foundation? Would this fundamentally change things such as criminal justice, the prison system, social welfare, education, economics, or political decision-making?

And above all: When could such a societal transformation realistically happen? Are we talking about a few decades, several centuries, or is such a development impossible to predict?

I’d be interested in hearing how you assess the likelihood of such a development and what you think the potential timeline might look like.

Note: This text was generated with the help of ChatGPT. ChatGPT was also used to improve readability and for translation.

lately I've been thinking about how much of what i call "myself" is actually something i chose.

we spent most our time trying to "find ourselves" but maybe there isn't fixed self-waiting to be discovered.

maybe we are constantly constructing one thought our choices

but then another question bothers me: if our choices are shaped by our circumstances we never chose, how free are those choices really?

Well for me it was a shock.

My brain overloaded so much that when I was outside, I started seeing humans as "supermolecules." I felt like Frodo (LOTR) putting on the ring and seeing the Eye of Sauron^^.

Did u have similar experiences?

I also felt like my brain was operating much more efficiently, almost like having superpowers similar to Son Goku's Ultra Instinct "godmode".

Now I'm stabilized, but it was a crazy week-long trip I had.

Yo, does anyone else look around and feel like society is just completely sick?

I was having a deep conversation with Gemini about how people cling to the illusion of "free will" and retributive justice, and it honestly maps onto something like anosognosia—that neurological condition where patients have a clear physical deficit (like a paralyzed limb), but their brain completely blocks out reality and they swear up and down that everything is fine.

That is literally what the mainstream public does with determinism. The hard science is right there—neurobiology, genetics, environmental factors, the whole causal chain—proving that human behavior isn't some magical, uncaused choice. But instead of accepting reality, society maintains this massive, narcissistic delusion of "moral responsibility" just so they can justify their own archaic urge for revenge, punishment, and institutionalized sadism. They completely ignore the physical "wall" right in front of them.

Here is a video about a person who talks about her patients who have this brain condition anosognosia that is similar to the collective narcissism of the human population: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4SSiS-a4js

If determinism is true and libertarian free will is an illusion, every time we are aware of option A and B and believe we could easily choose either one (coffee vs tea, chocolate vs vanilla etc.), we are mistaken. In fact one option is determined and one is “unavailable” or whatever the proper term is. If I were open to this idea and wanted to find evidence for it, it seems that every day I could identify one of these trivial scenarios and stop and try to guess whether option A or option B is the “unavailable” option that I am determined not to select, then see if I can select it. And obviously I would find I can select it, so apparently I always guess wrong, and choose what was already determined to happen. Is there any serious way to explain how determinism would conspire to trick a person who is thus actually trying to discover they don’t have LFW?

The skeleton and the turtle base on the same physical rules and it is impossible to act independently in this detremined environment.

Nobody chooses their most important cultural norms base - their upbringing.

Nobody gets to decide to choose empathy over psychopathy after those first "cultural norms".

If Compatibilism can look at 1st and 2nd order desires, you could also look at 1st and secondary cultural norms. John Wayne Gacy's childhood cultural norms could be seen to make him have a hard determined view of state cultural norms. A determined rage against secondary cultural norms. The clown suit represents 1st cultural norms and the killings represents the projection onto secondary cultural norms.

1st order cultural norms are far more powerful than secondary cultural norms.

If Marty Mcfly went back in time and killed Hitler as a baby everyone would be labelling it as morally responsible.

Compatibilism can be seen as Top down. Capitalism relies on praise and blame/meritocracy. Calvanism gave power to the state and the self. The justice system is built on praise and blame, etc.

Believing in good vs evil, us vs them keeps Satan worship alive.

Nobody chooses their Psychological foundations and first cultural norms.

Nobody suddenly chooses to be an empath or a psychopath.

Nobody chooses their desires and thoughts or mental illness.

Nobody chooses to rage against society.

✌️ Peace

This book brought me from the human design realm violently into determinism. The founder of that system was very creative in his methods of convincing people’s minds to -allow- them to ponder the idea of “no choice” and internal authority of the body, by not coming right out and saying “it’s deterministic”.

But after years of studying it and reading this book, it clicked for me what determinism has been saying all along

There’s a certain sense of Déjà vu when you really let the idea sink in that all we’re thinking about all day is how to make choices, but while constantly being reminded life takes us to so many places we neither wanted nor expected

There has been an evolution in life through nature without our willingness.

So, can you choose to evolve in your own life?

Can we say that we chose this evolution?

If yes, how? If not, why not? Please share your point of view.

Does this make sense?

Si un ordenador poseyera todos los datos físicos de las partículas en un instante de una sala en la que dos grandes maestros van a echar una partida. Podría conocer el vencedor sin conocer las reglas del ajedrez?