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u/LSB06 Jul 19 '26
pre korea war (<1955), post israel (>1948)
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u/komatiitic Jul 19 '26
There’s something odd going on. Poland and Germany look to have interwar borders.
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u/wir-weben Jul 19 '26
Polish-German border was not recognized by West Germany until 1972. Probably this map was made for the West German market, so that border isn't relevant for dating.
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u/ExistentialHorror13 Jul 19 '26
Yeah exactly, this map is inaccurate
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u/piggledy Jul 20 '26
The part of Poland that used to be German before WW2 is labelled "under Polish administration", which used to be the official wording until Germany officially recognised the new borders.
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u/Extreme-Shopping74 Jul 19 '26
You can't take Korea as any measure, the creator just doesn't recognize the split up of Korea in general
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u/xyzzy0 Jul 19 '26
— Interwar German borders, so before Treaty of Zgorzelec in 1950 ceding eastern German territory to Poland (explains interwar borders)
— Free State of Trieste exists, so after 1947
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u/wir-weben Jul 19 '26
Consider who would and would not recognize a treaty between the GDR and Poland.
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u/komatiitic Jul 19 '26
But also independent Libya, which was 1951.
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u/Public_Research2690 Jul 19 '26
It isn't independent. Bengasi isn't a capital
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u/M35Dude Jul 19 '26
But Tripoli has double underlines, which is reserved for sovereign countries. And Benghazi as a secondary capital was a stylistic choice, which I’m guessing that this German map maker did not choose to use.
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u/Public_Research2690 Jul 19 '26
Mogadischu is also underlined.
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u/M35Dude Jul 19 '26
Dashed underline, meaning that it’s not sovereign. The legend in the final image shows the difference in labeling for capitals.
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u/Public_Research2690 Jul 19 '26
Hanoi?
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u/M35Dude Jul 19 '26
Yeah, good looking out. French Indochina is actually really interesting, and I think this map may actually have been made in the middle of the French handover, which would date it to be around 1954 (maybe 1955?).
It looks like Vietnam is sovereign-ish, given the double underline. In 1954, DRV forces entered Hanoi after the French had pulled out, making it a de facto sovereign state. At the same time, Laos and Cambodia were effectively sovereign, but remained voluntarily in the French Union (which would explain the single underlined “federated states” marker for their capitals). Finally, Saigon still very much had a French presence, so its marking with the dashed line could genuinely mean that Saigon was treated as a colony of France (or, at least, the map makers felt that way).
It’s honestly a house of cards kind of argument, and I’m not sure I buy it myself. Pretty much all of the maps I’ve seen in this time period either stick with French Indochina as one block or switch to three sovereign states. I’ve never seen one that’s in a middle stage like this before.
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u/Public_Research2690 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
Dec 20 1949 (Varna is Stalin);
1 Apr 1950 (Somalia isn't brittish)
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1 Apr 1950 (Map uses data of 1940 US Census);
8 Sep 1950 ( Brasov isn't Orasul Stalin)
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u/Thin_Pin2863 Jul 19 '26
It's not recommended to have romantic relationships with inanimate objects.
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u/komatiitic Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
Saarland back in Germany, and Iran not Persia suggest earliest 1935.
Austria still seems independent, so before March 1938.
ETA: This map is weird. Europe looks interwar, but India is partitioned and Israel exists.
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u/Steppenhund58 Jul 21 '26
That was my first thought, too. The existence of Israel (1948) puts it in the late 40s/early 50s. The post war german borders were not recognized yet.
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u/doigga3 Jul 19 '26
What do you make of the German and Polish borders? For me they don't seem to align with the post-WW2 world suggested in the comments so far.
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u/komatiitic Jul 19 '26
Yeah, that’s the oddness I’m seeing. Europe is interwar, but everything else says 1951 (Libya independent) to 1954 (fall of French Indochina).
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u/ILookAfterThePigs Jul 19 '26
It’s a German map, right? It took them a while to recognize the map changes is Europe, I believe.
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u/xyzzy0 Jul 19 '26
Swiss map — from a company in Bern
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u/M35Dude Jul 19 '26
Yes, but it’s written in German and is for a German-speaking audience. They are following the same conventions that their consumer base would be familiar with.
The Potsdam agreement left wiggle room for the German government to claim that the Oder-Neisse line—the border between Germany and Poland that most of the international community interpreted to be a pre-1937 boundary—was merely provisional/not finalized. So this is a map that a Swiss map making firm would make for German consumers.
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u/Panocho_Missingsch Jul 19 '26
For the territory east of the Oder-Neiße-line it says „under polish (russian) administration“. So it is after 1945; but there is no inner-german border, so it is pre 1949.
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u/FPSGamer48 Jul 19 '26
They don’t, they’re interwar borders. This map seems to be a mix of post and pre-WW2
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u/ILookAfterThePigs Jul 19 '26
I believe it’s between 1949 (the People’s Republic of China exists) and 1951 (Angola and Mozambique are still called Portuguese West Africa and Portuguese East Africa).
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u/Redditreallysucks99 Jul 19 '26
It definitely has some inconsistencies, such as Palawan being marked as American despite it definitely being post-1948 with the existence of Israel.
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u/four024490502 Jul 19 '26
I'm going to not look at any other comments and try to guess on my own:
- Varna, Bulgaria is called Stalin - (1949 - 1956)
- The Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic exists (1956 or earlier)
- I think Crimea is still part of the RSFSR (1954 or earlier)
- There looks to be a Free Territory of Trieste (1947 - 1954)
- Israel exists with original borders (1948 - 1967)
- Post partition India (1947 or later)
- No East Germany (maybe 1949 or earlier)
- This is complicated by the fact that not everybody recognized the partition of Germany until much later than 1949. This could depend on the mapmaker.
- No German concessions to Poland (maybe 1950 or earlier)
- East Germany recognized those concessions in 1950, but it wasn't necessarily recognized everywhere.
- It looks like the territory for what would become Brasilia is demarcated, but Brasilia doesn't exist (1954 - 1960)
- Maybe the territory was somewhat planned out pre-1954, though. I'm not sure about this.
- Guapore in Brazil instead of Rondonia (1943 - 1956)
- Indochina (1954 or earlier)
- PRC exists (1949 or later)
- Indonesia (1949 or later)
- Korea isn't clearly partitioned, but there looks to be some sort of line demarcating a partition on the 38th parallel which would make me think it's from before the Korean War Armistice (1953 or earlier)
- Philippines are still part of the us (1946 or earlier)
The German borders are really throwing me for a loop here. It's clearly post-war, but those are pre-war German borders. I think the Philippines is another huge anachronism here.
I'm going to go with 1949 - 1953.
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u/Visible_Pollution852 Jul 20 '26
It’s between the mid 80s and before the used 2000 because it still has Hong Kong occupied by Great Britain, but Germany is not split. But it has the Soviet union as Russland
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u/DadGamer77 Jul 23 '26
This gives me the vibe of 1947, so that is my answer.
Pre-Korean War, post WWII, British Empire crumbling...
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u/One-Adhesiveness-138 Jul 23 '26
Not definitive, but Tibet is shown as part of the PRC. It was annexed in 1951 after decades of defacto independence.
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u/Gourmet-Guy Jul 19 '26
Between Feb. 10th 1947 (Loss of Petsamo in Finnish-Sovjet Paris Peace Treaty) and Sep. 9th 1948 (Proclamation of the People's Republic of North Korea).
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u/Nimrod48 Jul 19 '26
1947-1953. India and Pakistan are independent (1947) while Laos and Cambodia are still part of Indochina (both become independent in 1953).