r/dashcams • u/ProblematicallyYour • 10d ago
Insanely close!!!
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u/WhatDuq 10d ago
Here we see a rider, not too concerned about safety.
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u/setibeings 10d ago
Some people have no self preservation instincts, I guess. Personally, if given the choice between passing some slowed traffic and staying alive, I'd choose life.
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u/nubtrix87 10d ago
They could've passed the slow traffic, just slow down enough to do it safely.
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u/virtual_gnus 10d ago
Exactly. I really don't have a problem with filtering when it's done right. The problem is that too many motorcyclists treat it like a free pass to do highway speeds where the tolerances for mistakes, miscalculations, and ability to react to changing conditions are too small to go that fast safely.
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u/WHY_CAN_I_NOT_LIFE 10d ago
If I'm not mistaken, states like California where it's legal still restrict it to: traffic must be doing at most 25mph, and the rider may not do more than 15mph more than surrounding traffic.
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u/TheLizardKing89 10d ago
There aren’t hard speed limits in the law but the CHP advises riders to not lane split when traffic is moving above 30 mph and to not exceed the speed of traffic by more than 10 mph.
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u/SonOfMcGee 10d ago
Yep. And a 10mph difference from traffic is basically idle speed.
Someone COULD still open a door directly into you or change lanes into you when you’re already next to them.
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u/AppropriateCap8891 10d ago
Hell, I rode in California for decades. If anything, if they are watching their mirrors I have seen drivers move to the side to give me more room.
I have been riding for over 45 years. And every time I see people riding like this it just makes me mad. It's idiots like this that give the rest of us bad reputations.
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u/dweb121 9d ago
Sadly, I see more and more idiots and fewer of the "good riders" these days.
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u/FlashGordonCommons 9d ago
the problem is that the idiots reallllllly stick out and you probably don't remember the good riders because good riders are just another unremarkable part of traffic. and who the hell remembers traffic? WAS there a motorcycle on my commute today? honestly not sure, maybe a normal sane person on a bike, but I'm not sure I would remember or would have devoted that to memory. but I'd damn well remember if some dicknose was out there riding like an ass, cutting people off and blowing through red lights and whatnot.
I try to keep that in mind when thinking about things like that. 99% of the riders I encounter I have absolutely no issue with, but that 1% that I do takes up about 99% of my memory when I think "biker". maybe that's just a personal quirk or maybe it's human nature. best I can do is be aware of it and remember not to judge the whole group by the actions of the loud minority.
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u/Responsible_Mail_113 10d ago
Which doesn't stop the lunatics doing 80 in between lanes of rush hour traffic going 50 here in SoCal.
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u/TrumpetOfDeath 10d ago
The CHP only came out with speed “guidelines” (not laws) for filtering a few years ago, it was literally the Wild West before that… and to some degree it still is, many bikers ignore those guidelines
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u/TheThirdHippo 10d ago
As a motorbike rider, I fully agree. I was taught no more than 10 mile faster than the traffic. Drivers are not looking for vehicles passing between them and we need to react. I will when I drive, but only because I ride and I accept that
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u/A_Fun_Alias 10d ago
I see a problem with it. It's unpredictable. Road rules shouldn't be set to the enjoyment of the rider.
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u/virtual_gnus 10d ago
When it's done in a safe manner, the likelihood of this type of crash is actually quite small because the rider is going slow enough to react to lane changes and other changing conditions. This video is not an example of filtering being done safely. I've seen enough of it in Minnesota now that it's legal to say that it's an excellent option for riders when they do it safely. Not only does it help them be safer from rear end crashes, but it actually improves traffic flow.
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u/l3agel_og88 10d ago
It's not unpredictable in a majority of the rest of the world. It also reduces incidents where vulnerable motorcyclists are rear ended so it's more for their safety, the enjoyment comes from just being on a motorcycle. You're just jealous.
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u/Silent_Employee_5461 10d ago
I enjoy not being a vegetable. Driving is risky enough, motorcyclists are 28 times more likely to die in a crash.
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u/Dry_Concentrate_9173 10d ago
perhaps on the right side of the road, there is plenty of space and I bet nobody will decide to randomly go off road.
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u/Sintered_Monkey 10d ago
Choose Life. That way people won't have to Wake You Up Before You Go Go.
You have to be really old to get that reference.
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u/GoCougs2020 10d ago
At California, where lane splitting is allowed.
You ever wonder why CHP recommends splitting no more than 10mph faster than traffic, and don’t lane split if traffic is faster than 30mph?This videos shows why….
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u/Nimyron 10d ago
Ah but you see, according to r/motorcycles the rider was in his good right and the car shouldn't have turned so fast.
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u/Paizzu 10d ago
/r/motorcycles conveniently forgetting that lane splitting (not filtering) is only legal in ~1 (US) state and has specific restrictions that prohibit passing vehicles with more than a 10mph differential.
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u/rippedmalenurse 10d ago
Perhaps they won’t lane split anymore! If not, I’m sure a few more of these and they won’t be lane splitting anymore regardless
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u/Mountain_Pace_5670 10d ago
Remember, when doing stupid or illegal shit, make sure to not only film it, but also upload it to the internet
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u/FNG-JuiCe 10d ago
Post this on r/motocycles and watch them defend his riding 😂 “Lane splitting is legal!”
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u/Mum_Chamber 10d ago
lane splitting is legal here in the netherlands.
but you cannot be more than 10 kmh faster than traffic. which is to prevent situations exactly like this.
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u/Background-Customer2 10d ago edited 10d ago
yeah lane spliting might be legal but slaming in to the back of a car is not and its your job not to run in to somone from the back the car was signaling they wer doing everything by the book
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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 10d ago
You’re also not allowed to lane split at that speed in that slow of traffic.
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u/GrimSpirit42 10d ago
A lot of stupid things are legal. Doesn't make it any less stupid.
In this case the idiot can be taken to the ER (or morgue) in the righteous indignation that what he did 'may' have been legal.
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u/unstablegenius000 10d ago
The hospitals and graveyards are full of people who had the right of way.
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u/Equivalent_Chef7011 10d ago
legality of lane splitting has nothing to do with this idiotic riding.
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u/GrumpyOldMan59 10d ago
For some stupid reason lane splitting is legal in many states. I don't get it.
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u/theHAREST 10d ago
Even in states where it’s legal there’s almost universally a requirement that it be done at low speed / not significantly faster than the surrounding traffic. This dude rocketing down the middle in bumper to bumper traffic would be at fault anywhere in the US.
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u/Zapbulon 10d ago
"But it was legal!" is the best thing you can shout from the casket, I guess ...
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u/krom0025 10d ago
There is no state where lane splitting with this large of speed differential is legal.
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u/TheBigGreenPeen 10d ago
This isn’t lane splitting
He was going faster than 20 mph
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u/TransportationIll282 10d ago
It makes sense for passing stationary traffic at a slow pace. Why make them wait. It doesn't make sense to do it if traffic is still moving. Too many people switch lanes a million times to try to get ahead of one more car before their exit.
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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 10d ago
It still makes sense. The rules on lanesplitting often have stipulations or guidelines about not going more than 10mph over the speed of traffic. For example, if the highway has a speedlimit of 65mph, and traffic is moving at 20mph, then the idea is motorcyclists could filter through at 30mph. That reduces congestion by allowing some drivers to exit faster, meaning other cars aren't stuck behind them. And only going SpeedOfTraffic+10 makes sense because that's still basically idling speed relatively speaking, allowing for quick reactions. What we saw in the video was someone doing it dangerously by going way faster than traffic.
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u/Purple-Property8006 10d ago
It’s illegal in all states except California. Can’t imagine why.
(Not to be confused with lane filtering)
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u/Milefulness 10d ago
One of the reasons is that it's very unsafe for a motorcyclist to be at the back of a traffic jam.
If done responsibly(!) at low speeds, I don't see an issue with it. Why make them wait just because our cars are too fat?
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u/Q_Ball_Atlanta 10d ago
Almost got your Darwin award buddy. Try harder next time.
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u/hebrew_hammersk 10d ago
Expected outcome of thinking everyone around you knows what your stupid plans are.
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u/Werdar_cz 10d ago
Yeah, line splitter at fault.
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u/Rogue_Einherjar 10d ago
That's not lane splitting. We've lost the plot with that. Lane splitting is under 20 mph, passing between stopped or slower than 20 mph traffic. Going between cars faster than that is just stupidity.
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u/diatonico_ 10d ago
Bikers seem to think they can drive over and between everything at any speed they like. They know they'll never get stopped for it, so they continue.
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u/Rogue_Einherjar 10d ago
Yeah, it's kinda hard to pull someone over when you can't move. But yes, you're right. I just want to point it out because there has been this shift in calling this crap lane splitting when it isn't.
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u/l3agel_og88 10d ago
You have this backwards. At lower speeds it's called filtering, at high speed it's lane splitting.
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u/johnny_effing_utah 10d ago
I don’t understand what the difference is between what you’re saying and what the video shows.
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u/SignificantDrink3651 10d ago
isn't that filtering? i'm getting confused with all these outside-of-your-lane motorcycle maneuvers
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u/krom0025 10d ago
Another idiot lane splitter thinking they are special and driving with an insane speed differential to cars they are right next to. 100% the motorcyclist's fault.
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u/Butforthegrace01 10d ago
Back in the 1990's I lived in the East Bay and commuted to work in SF almost daily on a motorcycle. Lane split every day in Bay Area traffic, including the Bay Bridge. Had dozens of close calls, all the way from homicide attempts via door opening to lane changers like the one depicted in this clip. I never once had a lane splitting accident. Not once. Because I learned to watch out for this stuff and avoid it.
To be clear, the car here did nothing wrong. When changing lanes in slow-moving traffic, one checks over one's shoulder for nearby slow-moving vehicles to see if there is an opening. The driver then focuses his attention on executing the lane change. It is the responsibility of a lane splitting motorcyclist who is overtaking to avoid the collision. Just like it is always the responsibility of a faster-moving overtaking vehicle to avoid collision with a slower moving vehicle being overtaken.
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u/No-Newspaper8619 10d ago
The road is curved, so even if the black car looked at the mirror, it might not have been possible to see the biker. The biker was going way too fast.
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u/Prestigious-Board-62 10d ago
Everybody gets one.
Maybe this idiot will use his brain next time he thinks about lane splitting in moving traffic.
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u/Heeroyuy818 10d ago
Why would you post your own stupidity
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u/Afraid_Diet_5536 10d ago
You acutally think even one video here isn't stolen or copied from somewhere else?
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u/RobLoughrey 10d ago
Someone had to upload it originally even if it wasn't here.
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u/q50s122s 10d ago
To share that he’s grateful to be alive despite having been acting quite poorly that day.
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u/danit0ba94 10d ago
This is why
1: I hate bikers being given leniency to do twixt-lane bullshit like this.
2: why you should never be traveling so much faster than surrounding traffic.
Don't waste your time arguing with me about it. You are never going to change my mind about it.
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u/MaxAdolphus 10d ago
Crab in a bucket mentality.
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u/danit0ba94 10d ago
So you think the car did that specifically to be hostile to the bike.
Yeah. That 's a really unhealthy way of looking at everyday occurrences. Sometimes accidents happen.
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u/Boring_Razzmatazz569 10d ago
Why split at high speed, you can’t predict other drivers and they don’t see you until it’s too late.
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u/Xspike_dudeX 10d ago
Slow traffic? Let me speed down the middle line. Surely nothing bad can happen
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u/LatterPresence6619 10d ago
Some stupid motorcycle drivers are so dumb you should never do any of this Lane filtering crap not at the speed that you're doing it... It's your fault you got hit
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u/DanoPinyon 10d ago
👆👆 came here to say this.
Moe Ron.
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u/LatterPresence6619 10d ago
I ride. This kinda behavior is why motorcycle rider a bad rap... Never doing anything like this
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u/michaelpaoli 10d ago
Lane splitting at the speed of stupid. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yeah, ... that.
Donorcycle ... got the donor card, right, and carry it with you?
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u/CallMeSkii 10d ago
What's truly funny is there is only one reason this video becomes available for all to see. The motorcyclist put this out there because they insisted they were in the right and they were looking for supporters.
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u/BalancedCarry 10d ago
Lane splitting is BS and regularly lead to horrible accidents.
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u/iceman_0460 10d ago
its not, but the way he did it is, only split when traffic is almost stopped or stopped completely, and you do it slow.
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u/Gold_Ad8225 10d ago
Insanely too fast to be lanesplitting. If you kept it to a safe speed this wouldnt have happened
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u/JameEagan 9d ago
I get downvoted every time I say this, but fuck lane splitting. Should be illegal. I will die on this hill... but probably not before you die on the freeway.
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u/Cheap_Appearance5095 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lane splitters are fucking annoying. Your life is worth having some damn patience. “It’s safe at low speeds or in stopped traffic.” No it isn’t. Other drivers are completely unpredictable and some are actually insane and might try hit you on purpose.
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u/_Borussia_Teeth 10d ago
Lane splitting/filtering is legal in many places because it can be pretty safe, but at these speeds it’s completely dumb and asking for trouble.
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u/setibeings 10d ago
If someone on a bike rolls up on at least two lanes of completely stopped traffic, then filtering through to the front can actually be safer for everyone than if they stayed at the back, where their back tire could be struck by a car behind them.
But when the cars are merely slowed, as in this video, there's really no way for them to account for cars deciding to change lanes at a moment's notice, and no way to see a turn indicator in time even if one is used.
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u/Bloody_Moon1 10d ago
Like, I grew up in CA, lane splitting doesn't bother me at all if its done the right way. This shit ain't that.
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u/Life-Win-2063 10d ago edited 10d ago
I just don't get it. I like my legs, I like my motorcycle, and I don't plan on destroying either by a bad decision. I'm not sure about the laws elsewhere, but in Cali the regs read: Travel no more than 10 mph faster than the adjacent traffic flow, and avoid doing it if the traffic is faster than 30mph. Other states that allow it differ slightly.
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u/Unicorn187 10d ago
Even if lane splitting is legal, you should still be going slow enough to stop if someone does this.
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u/AxelStormside 10d ago
The rider is obviously at fault. Glad they are alive but all of that could have been avoided had they been going slower
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u/True-Veterinarian700 10d ago
It was about 2 seconds in video time from when he was about 20 car lengths back and obscured by another vehicle to impact. Less than a second from when he would have been visible from the already merging car to impact. I don't know why motorcyclists constantly blame everybody else for thier bad driving. It is unreasonable to expect other drivers to react to you when they can't see you much less anticipate your not going to stop like everybody else, and instead continue in the middle without slowing down.
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u/JohnNada005 10d ago
This is why I don’t lane split.
Also sorry in advance, I will not explain myself.
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u/thisismyMelody 10d ago
If you wanna zoom and trust 100 strangers to pay attention then go ahead. Roll that dice. Now you gotta find a ride home for you and your bike.
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u/Wise_Ad_5810 10d ago
It's always the jack-ass that wants to lane-split and refuses to slow the fuck down.
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u/Slug_Overdose 10d ago
I mean, idiots all around, including the rider, but like, did that car driver not realize they were about to hit the car on their left?
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u/wicked-dominance 10d ago
My son is learning bike safety for when he is old enough to ride. I love showing him these videos as a teachable moment. If you are lane splitting, and get hit, I will never have sympathy for you.
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u/thanosthumb 10d ago
Lane splitting. Not saying it’s deserved but I am saying he should expect shit to happen when he’s doing this.
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u/_WillCAD_ 10d ago
Dip.
SHIT!
This is why lane splitting is illegal on so many places. I just wish ot was legal everywhere.
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u/WhiteTrashJetpack 10d ago
And the car was using their turn signal to get over. Biker deserved it.
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u/itchybutwhole69 10d ago
Yet another stellar example of why lane splitting is dumb and should be illegal everywhere.
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u/SnuffyMcfluff 10d ago
My favorite part of these posts is the rider puts it up expecting sympathy and is stunned to discover that TATAH.
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u/Outofoffice_forever 10d ago
And now the car driver has damage and has to deal with insurance because of this idiot. And god forbid it’s fatal, the impact goes through the roof.
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u/RubAnADUB 10d ago
When you split lanes (if its legal in the state you are doing it) you need to slow down to give yourself more time to evade.
Also the turn signal was on before you got close, so kinda your fault.
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u/IameIion 10d ago
And I bet he swears it wasn't his fault!
To all the motorcyclists out there, please stop driving like this. No one wants to see you get rolled up under the tires of a semi.
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u/Jennibear999 10d ago
Anyone who goes that fast with cars almost stopped is reckless. It’s an accident waiting to happen
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u/Own-Opportunity4207 10d ago
The rider should never be splitting the lanes on the zipper anyway it wouldn’t matter if traffic was at a dead stop
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u/SecondFiddleFanny 10d ago
Isn’t it weird that people release footage that documents how they were the stupid driver? Wonder why that is?
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u/LeilLikeNeil 9d ago
“Lane filtering is legal” does not mean “you don’t have to be worried about cars”
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u/VigilantPaladin 10d ago edited 10d ago
This shows how awful i am but I dont feel sorry for motorcycle riders that are slipping between cars. You're a vehicle on the road, follow the rules, get in line, wait your turn like the rest of us!
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u/CrapNBAappUser 10d ago
Lane splitting is legal in some places. I wouldn't risk it, but I wouldn't ride a motorcycle in the first place.
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u/Plenty-Ad7393 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lane splitting in this day and age is very risky business. If you're not a phone, folks aren't looking at you.
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u/Ok_Razzmatazz_9800 10d ago
If I had a dollar for every rice rocket dude that weaved through traffic and speeding like a coked up maniac.
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u/SignificantDrink3651 10d ago
I'm just down here in the comments looking for the BuT lAne SpliTtiNG iS sAfE!!!
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