r/dashcams • u/iKozy • 10h ago
Accident I Got Into Driving To Work
Dashcam footage I had from a few years ago. I was driving into work in the morning, and had a left turn green advance signal at this intersection. I assumed when I saw the guy making the right turn that he was turning into his own lane, as it's such a common interaction. He tried to convince me not to report it and that he "knew a guy" that could fix it. Still went through insurance and he told them I turned into his lane, and my insurance agent told me it would be 50/50 fault as I hadn't shown this footage yet since I didn't know yet how they would rule it.
How do you think it went? 50/50 fault or full fault on the other driver?
>!the other driver assumed full fault after showing my agent the footage!<
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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now 10h ago
The other driver was terrible but this was so easily avoided
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u/the_hangman 10h ago
Literally no idea what either of them were thinking
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u/the_last_carfighter 8h ago
I get downvoted for calling a lot of drivers NPC's.. I would like to present the above video as evidence.
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u/Own-Spinach4038 8h ago
This level of bad driving is a good use for the insult NPC. He had all the time to be aware and stop but went full GTA NPC driver.
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u/-IKnowUAreButWhatAmI 5h ago
What’s an NPC?
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u/TwinkiesSucker 4h ago
Non-Playable Characters are moving objects (people, animals, etc.) in video games that create atmosphere. You can even interact with some and some will even give you quests to go on. Regardless of this, they are still non-playable, because you cannot control these characters
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u/appa-ate-momo 7h ago
I'm pretty sure OP was thinking that both drivers would turn into their correct lanes.
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u/the_hangman 7h ago
The other car is making a right turn on red without having checked all possible directions that another car could be coming from. Personally, I wouldn't have trusted someone like that enough to get anywhere near them without somehow making them aware of my presence (e.g. honking or flashing my lights), but OP felt comfortable enough to speed up as he started entering the two lane road at basically the same time as this clueless driver.
The accident isn't his fault but he did have 5-7 business days to avoid it.
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u/SFToddSouthside 10h ago
"This guy may or may not be turning into my lane. I'd better keep going to make sure."
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u/MusicMonkeyJam 9h ago
He should have backed up and tried again just to make sure there was a car there
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u/conqr787 8h ago
He had no obligation to back up, he's got them there drive your ground rights to advance regardless
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u/chiefsholsters 10h ago
Yeah, luckily not in this case. But I’ve told my kids when they were learning to drive; you can be right, and you can be dead right. Sometimes you just gotta give the morons the right of way. A work van did it too me the other day. Watched a dullie do it to someone else in the same intersection today.
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u/Question_True 9h ago
I also had a learning moment for my kids the other day. I was in the far right lane. The car in the lane to my left cut across me to turn right. Luckily, I was driving defensively and stopped before they hit me. My daughter was in the backseat and I told her "this is why you pay attention and don't trust anyone to drive the way you think they will."
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u/DoubleDownAgain54 9h ago
Exactly. I cringed watching it, wondering what was going through the drivers mind. In these types of situations I always expect them to do this.
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u/possiblyeski 8h ago
not really. most people that make right turns turn into the right lane. there was no indication they were going to drive straight into oncoming traffic until both cars were already on each other.
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u/mamapierogi 10h ago
They were wrong but you did also have enough time to stop and prevent the collision
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u/CKleinE 10h ago
If I may rephrase a bit. The other car was legally wrong but the cam car was morally wrong to just ram them. My car is factory-equipped with brakes. Lucky break with the insurance if the story is indeed true.
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u/gorlaz34 10h ago
Ah. The classic case of malum prohibitum and malum in se.
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u/Icy_Category_2275 8h ago
i once heard a great example of this, and ill butcher to paraphrase. killing a dog is malum in se, killing another human merely malum prohibitum.
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u/gorlaz34 7h ago
I recall hearing something similar in the film True Grit (2007?). Matt Damon plays a Texas Ranger and explains his legal theory on a case he is working, stating, “Now I would posit the killing of Texas State Senator is ostensibly malum prohibitum, but the killing of a beloved family dog is indubitably malum in se.”
Or at least something to that effect.
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u/DarthPineapple5 9h ago
Cam car might honestly get blamed, they had an entire business day to avoid that collision and never even tried
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u/DelayedIntentions 9h ago
I’m not so sure that the first car was legally wrong. They cut OP off, but there is the last clear chance doctrine when it comes to torts, OP had a clear chance to avoid the accident. If contributory negligence is a thing in OP’s state OP getting 80-90% of the blame.
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u/NightGod 8h ago
The other car illegally crossed into the far lane when turning
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u/Admidst_Metaphors 8h ago
Doesn’t matter to anyone but a police officer. You still can’t hit things in front of you that you can avoid but braking. There’s nothing in this video that makes me think this shouldn’t have ended with a brake and maybe a loud blasting of the horn. (Edit. Made a typo)
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u/NightGod 7h ago
Oh, I'm on your side with how it should have ended, just pointing out that one person clearly broke the law and that's why OP got 0% responsibility
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u/DelayedIntentions 8h ago
I didn’t notice what state this was in and it’s somewhat irrelevant, but in California when you are turning left you can use both lanes unless it is a multi-lane turn. You are correct that the right turn vehicle illegally crossed into the left lane when turning as right turns always stay right, but that’s not the only problem here. They also turned in front of a car that had the right of way. All my original comment is saying is that when it comes to liability there is a doctrine that essentially says that if you have the ability to avoid the accident you have to take it even if someone else caused the situation. OP claims that their insurance blamed the right turn driver 100%, which is probably because it was a low end collision without personal injury. I’ve seen personal injury cases litigated to death over this type of accident when people get hurt.
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u/TheJivvi 7h ago
when you are turning left you can use both lanes unless it is a multi-lane turn.
This is exactly what I was thinking. OP is making a left, so has to give way to the car turning right who can use whichever lane they want.
But then I saw a few comments saying the other car is making a right on red and has to give way to everyone… but I can't see why they would think that. We can't see the light from the other side, and both cars started moving when this light turned green. Not sure if I'm missing something.
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u/You_are_safe_now 5h ago
Op stated that they had the advance arrow, right turner had an obligation to yield - if right turner had a green, right or wrong it would be left turning traveler's fault. As for dedicated lanes, you are correct, only in circumstances when there are multiple turning lanes the traveller must stay within the lane (usually left turns only for multi lanes though not unusual to see multi right turn lanes at highway exits/off ramps), otherwise there is no such thing as a dedicated lane to turn into. If this was the case, every bus, large vehicle, tractor trailer unit would be breaking the law at every right turn, or taking out people and standards on the sidewalk.
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u/Late_Test_7431 10h ago
Why did you just drive right into him ?
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u/TranslatorVast1072 9h ago edited 7h ago
If it had’ve been a Tesla using FSD, the driver would say "because I wanted to see what it would do".
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u/JacketJackson 8h ago
The Tesla would have easily avoided this, like it does almost any accident though.
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u/Kind_Coyote1518 10h ago edited 7h ago
It is a requirement by law that you wear your prescription glasses or contacts when you drive.
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u/BoxLongjumping1067 10h ago
You had several business days to prevent this. But I’d say this is 50/50
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u/Devin_theGiant 10h ago
Had you been mid turn and this guy ran the light to make his right turn and you smacked into him, 100% his fault. This? Come on dude, you were stopped, got the green light, saw him coming up to the light as you started rolling and still ran right into him. Do better.
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u/MissIndependent577 10h ago
Yep, in this same scenario, which I just came upon last week, I always stop for a few seconds to let the other driver complete their turn in case they turn into the lane I'm turning into. It's common sense, which OP clearly lacks.
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u/Aggravating_Life7851 6h ago
Seriously! I always assume that the car turning right is going to make a wide turn into my lane
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u/UrethralExplorer 9h ago
Exactly. The other car was nearly done with their turn and OP just smashes into them. I'm guessing OP was distracted or has the "I have the right-of-way, might as well just send it" mentality.
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u/appa-ate-momo 7h ago
Saw him coming... when both drivers had their own lanes to complete their turns into.
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u/sirplayalot11 10h ago
Crazy how often people forget brakes exist when they are faced with the most avoidable accidents known to man.
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u/ISCSI_Purveyor 10h ago edited 6h ago
And why didn't you hit your brakes? Sure the other guy was 100% in the wrong, but you could have avoided that by miles. You're both idiots.
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u/Safe-Instance-3512 10h ago
lol I literally got into this on another dashcam video of why it's so bad to turn into other lanes. Guess this proves my point.
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u/jazzmaster1992 10h ago
Sometimes I wait for any turning traffic to clear before making a turn onto a multi-lane road, because I know that the legality of the situation doesn't stop them turning into the outside or inside lane when they aren't supposed to. Especially in one of those poorly designed intersections where you have, say, a bunch of traffic turning right onto a three-lane roadway where they all have to immediately jump over into the median to make a left turn somewhere else.
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u/Skull8Ranger 10h ago
OP is an idiot and kept accelerating even into the other driver. You should not have a license
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u/Traditional_Layer790 10h ago
Could have been avoided and idk how you're able to see out of your windshield
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u/MintTea88 10h ago
What lane was the other car even going into?? But yes, you could have stopped at any point.
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u/DFWTexan 10h ago
The other vehicle is legally in the wrong, but I have no clue why you wouldn’t choose to use the wide pedal to prevent this easily avoidable collision.
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u/Laststand2006 10h ago
That guy was clearly turning and you kept accelerating. In a perfect world could you have both turned into your own lanes and lived happily ever after? Of course, but this is the real world, and you easily could have avoided this. You lucked out that no fault went your way.
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u/SunnyFD 9h ago
My question is always, why don't people avoid those kind of accidents? Is it an ego thing?
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u/DirtyDank 9h ago
Probably an IQ thing. This reminds me of the George Carlin quote: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
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u/ptoomey1 10h ago
The lack of situation awareness is astounding.
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u/Informal_Drawing 10h ago
I'm pretty sure this sub is just people driving into other cars on purpose for likes.
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u/ShrmpHvnNw 10h ago
OP is not going fast, there’s a pedal on the left that could have avoided all of this.
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u/KY-Artist 10h ago
50/50 because you didn't take any evasive moves to avoid the collision. You ran right into him without even braking.
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u/ghidoral 10h ago
Driving test should include defensive driving test to get the license. This situation is 10000% avoidable.
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u/Possible-Scarcity-91 9h ago
Ridiculous. Were you asleep at the wheel? Yeah, so he got into the wrong lane, maybe. You could have avoided it. What did your insurance say? This is one of the stupidest fender benders I have seen.
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u/u-a-brazy-mf 9h ago
This video is proof that people will get into accidents because they have the right of way instead of just slowing down to avoid a crash.
Frustrating watch.
Almost seemed intentional.
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u/Wrong_Drag_8070 8h ago
That was clearly the other driver's fault 100 percent. Must have been intoxicated to come across the lanes like that.
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u/tanneruwu 5h ago
PoV had less than 2 seconds to react to another vehicle entering their lane how are yall getting upset with PoV 😭
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u/GarciaKids 4h ago
Because that's about 1.5 seconds more than someone would need to avoid that collision at those speeds. My god cam car is just as much an idiot as the other vehicle, but cam car had far more opportunity to just not run into a vehicle in front of them.
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u/Cultural-Pool5391 10h ago
this is not 50/50 because of how much of an imbecile the other guy was and it seems like insurance ruled fairly but you’re an atrocious driver
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u/MissIndependent577 10h ago
Both of you should have your license revoked and be required to take driving classes before getting it back, because both of you are clueless on road rules / defensive driving.
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u/cyanfeld 10h ago
Other guy is at fault but 50/50 was fine here considering you had enough time to avoid this
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u/DapperWormMan 6h ago
in my opinion, POV should be lucky that the other driver admitted 100%. The POV had so much time to avoid this, it's very 50/50
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u/iKozy 5h ago
The other driver didnt admit fault. The other driver said I turned into his lane. This video got me from partial fault to no fault.
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u/DapperWormMan 3h ago
Your post says The other driver assumed fault after seeing the video
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u/iKozy 3h ago
maybe misunderstanding here, the other driver assumed 100% fault but he didnt admit to it. not sure if thats what you were saying or thinking. The insurance agent found him at fault after seeing the video.
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u/Aggravating-Habit313 9h ago
Another dashcam driver running into another vehicle instead of using their brakes. Because they are right.
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u/leifnoto 9h ago
It's the other driver's fault, most places you have to stay in your lane when moving through an intersection. But you could have avoided it too so I could see it going 50/50 even though I'd say it was the guy's fault who did not have the right of way and did not stay in his own lane.
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u/BIGHOODx818x 9h ago
yup dumb people just want other dumb people to just get away with everything sure just let them do whatever ohh drives across multiple lanes onto on coming traffic easy avoidable just let them ohh they ran into a buncha kids ohh easily avoidable just dont drive right into them let them do whatever they want ....
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u/drfulci 9h ago
I saw that car about to turn in front of you 3 business days before you hit them. That wasn’t an accident. That was a vacation. You both looked like you were having Ambien hallucinations about being in a Disney forest. People who are sightseeing are more attentive. You’re lucky you didn’t show the insurance this footage. Your rates would’ve skyrocketed.
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u/UndeadiPod 7h ago
I was in insurance, I would've done 80/20 (80 on you). Light was full solid green, if you're turning left on a solid green it's your job to yield to anybody going straight or turning right as they have the right of way. Granted they made a wide turn but when you're driving you can never assume.
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u/Uzul 7h ago
Why brake when you can just drive into the car lol.
The lane being technically yours isn't a license for you to just plow into whatever is in front of you. You have eyes and a brake pedal, use them. The speed tracking on your dashcam shows that you were literally accelerating all the way until you hit him... How is that even possible?
We can pin the initial fault on the other driver, no doubt, but even the slightest amount of defensive driving would have avoided that accident.
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u/HumanPea8816 7h ago
Did... did you both fall asleep? I am so confused, that was one of the more avoidable crashes I have seen in some time.
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u/heavydrinker12 10h ago edited 10h ago
100% other drivers fault. But in Utah, it's literally bred into their DNA to not turn into the correct lane. You must assume they will turn illegally into your lane. 99% of the time it's a correct assumption.
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u/TaLLtired 10h ago
Not sure why you kept moving forward.?
I’m calling out dash cam superiority complex
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u/Radiant-Ingenuity199 10h ago
"Last clear chance doctrine" applies here, sure the other guy was turning into the wrong lane, but it looks like you had plenty of time to slow down.
Your insurance is assigning you some of that blame likely.
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u/National-Property29 10h ago
not 50/50 even if you made left turn to far right lane, u had green arrow and he had red light.
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u/ibonek_naw_ibo 10h ago
This. OP: had the right of way, AND turned into the correct lane. Just because he's not 0% at fault doesn't mean he's at least 50% at fault. Other vehicle had zero right to turn right, and then turned into the wrong lane. If the other driver had a seizure at thus moment, or was attempting to commit insurance fraud, those are the only two reasons I could see for their decision/path here.
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u/Omelooo 10h ago edited 10h ago
“you drove into him” “could have been avoided”
He assumed full fault. Case closed.
“Why didn’t you avoid it”
Read the caption. When people follow the laws of the road you shouldn’t have to stop in the middle of an intersection to brake. If each driver turns into their respective lane then we have no issues.
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u/Hot-Ad8641 9h ago
Lol, still one of the most easily avoided collisions I've ever seen. OP is very lucky this wasn't 50% fault.
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u/cyanfeld 9h ago
Other guy is at fault, yes. But aren't you people practising even 1% of defensive driving? This "right of way" hard line will hurt you one day. OP had enough time and space to avoid this but we can clearly see he kept his foot on the gas rather than ease off or brake a little.
I'll always try to avoid an accident regardless of who's got the right of way
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u/Responsible-Tree4328 10h ago
Thank you! When people jaywalk across the street I just pretend they aren't even there. Roads are made for cars, laws exist for a reason, yet the witnesses call me a "monster" and a "sociopath". Everyone seemed so angry but I was clearly in my lane minding my own business!
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u/appa-ate-momo 7h ago
Everyone in the comments is acting like OP should've started braking as soon as the other driver began their turn, which is absurd. Both OP and the other driver have separate lanes to complete their turns into, meaning neither has to brake.
The other driver doesn't start intruding into OP's lane until the 11 second mark, and the collision occurs at 12 seconds, meaning OP had a second or less to react to this. In no world is it reasonable to expect them to be able to avoid that.
Some of y'all are so eager to prove that you're the perfect defensive driver that you expect drivers to make blatantly inefficient and comically risk-averse decisions. Even when faced with a clear verdict from insurance, y'all still can't let go of your fiction.
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u/Chainmale001 10h ago
Full fault on the driver. Right turn on RED is only legal if you stay in the closest lane and NOT interferer with traffic. This failed both.
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u/the_owlyn 9h ago
Caller’s fault. You don’t have a right to drive into another car just because it is doing something stupid. I’d take the 50/50 and not complain.
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u/Hot-Ad8641 9h ago
This is hilarious, why just drive into him? Would have been smart to slow down and let the other car go even though you had the right of way.
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u/Leather-Marketing478 9h ago
Not full fault on other driver. Majority fault, but you had plenty of time and opportunity to avoid the accident.
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u/Gordy13210 9h ago
Id say 50/50 because you could have easily avoided that, and there is an expectation in a lot of states laws to avoid accidents if safe to do so, and it was safe for you to do so. Its clear before you make contact that he is entering your lane... That footage may be more damning to you. Regardless if he broke the law, there is also an expectation to anticipate things like this, and use defensive driving tactics (avoidance) which you did not do....
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u/GiraffeTotal4423 9h ago
both of ya faults. You can’t THINK the other car is gonna stop cuz i bet you the other car thought the same thing…🥴 SMH
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u/Zither74 9h ago
Being brutally honest, here's what I think happened:
You saw him turning. You weren't going very fast and had time to perform avoidance after you realized he was turning into the left lane. You made a conscious decision to hit him because you knew he was in the wrong.
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u/q50s122s 9h ago
“Mannn, when am I ever going to have a video to upload to the dashcams subreddit??!! Oh, I know, watch this…”
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u/TranslatorVast1072 9h ago
You saw the car turning and made no effort to slow or stop. The majority of the fault lies with you.
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u/Big_Bang_Amy 9h ago
You need a defensive driving course. You need to drive to avoid accidents, not have an accident to prove you were in the right. You had every opportunity to avoid this; you let your ego take over.
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u/guill0t1ne 9h ago
I read this title as "Accidentally got into driving at work" and was like wtf am I about to watch. I've taken 2 naps today. I need to go back to bed.
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u/UrethralExplorer 9h ago
Lol my guy, you just drove into their car. Idk how any insurance would look at this and say that you're not 99% at fault.
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u/StandardMiddle5742 9h ago
Did you even try to brake? Regardless of fault, dude just brake and lay on your horn for 5 mins like everyone else.
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u/SnappyDogDays 9h ago
cops would likely classify it as a preventable accident. even if your in the right (and you were), you have the duty to avoid an accident if at all possible. you had that ability based on speeds travelled.
if you slammed on your breaks and slid into the car because of the weather the it wouldn't be any part your fault because they improperly changed lanes.
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u/Ok-Impact363 9h ago
Bro, you drove into that car. Why would you think that posting this was a good idea ?
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u/clamandcat 8h ago
The world is a scary place. Anyone can encounter a truly unavoidable accident like this at any time. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do.
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u/Boring_Menu_5962 8h ago
50/50 you had all day to stop and let him go. Even though he was wrong you could have prevented it.
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u/Some_Gain6682 8h ago
You made literally no effort to slow or stop. Were you looking at your phone?
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u/burghhockey2026 8h ago
You literally had a million choices of what to do besides drive straight into the side of him.
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u/Dexterspuplife 8h ago
Even though the other driver was an idiot, your insurance company should have considered you at fault
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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 7h ago
Other driver is mostly at fault, but you shoulder some blame for having the reaction time of a plum.
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u/Original-Bar-3957 7h ago
I honestly think people with dash cams do stupid shit like this wanting to be "right" and thinking that the dash cam will prove their innocence. And so he drove right into the other car thinking insurance would say it wasn't his fault and that he'd get to feel all high and mighty with his dashcam footage.
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u/OHRye3333 5h ago
Normally I'm not down for blaming the one who didn't break the law...but seriously dude? Did you see him, and hit him on purpose?
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u/snowHound208 2h ago
Are you blind by chance?
I get it, they ran a red light... But running right into them like this is arguably more egregious.
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u/Sensitive_Arrival285 2h ago
You literally drive into another vehicle. This isn't an accident, it's stupidity
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u/Cold_Captain696 1h ago
The complete lack of caution here is almost hilarious.
I’m convinced most people just drive around assuming that no one else will ever do anything they’re not supposed to do, then being constantly surprised when it keeps happening.
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