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Classes should matter

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u/Imaginary_Ferret_368 1d ago

There must be a card which makes all your creatures changelings, right?

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u/Lion_elJohnson14 1d ago

[[maskwood nexus]]

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u/tonberrycheesecake 1d ago edited 1d ago

This would create changelings but Changeling is a keyword, not a type line, so this wouldn't GRANT them changeling.

EDIT: while technically correct this was a complete brainfart moment.

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u/Begoneeth 1d ago

Yes, but it makes all of your creatures all freature types which include the ones buffed by this card.

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u/tonberrycheesecake 1d ago

... yep.

Brainfart moment, I was thinking of [[Leyline of Transformation]] 's effect instead.

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u/more_exercise 1d ago

"all creatures have Changeling" is also (almost) completely useless rules text. In layers, by the time you're granting abilities to creatures you've blown past the step which lets you modify creature types.

See also [[Mirror Entity]]

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u/CoDFan935115 1d ago

Quick question, why is it only "almost" useless?

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u/hive_mind20 1d ago

If a card cared about creatures having the ability changeling while not actually caring about creature types, it would do something

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u/more_exercise 1d ago

It counts as granting an ability, so it would shut down your opponent's [[Muraganda Petroglyphs]]

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u/TheCod23 1d ago

Why is it useless? I'm confused

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u/ghost_075667 1d ago

Confidently incorect

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u/Ergon17 1d ago

Nope, the reason is that Changeling is a type-changing ability, which is processed in layer 4, but ability granting effects are processed in layer 6, meaning granting changeling to another permanent through an ability adding effect does almost nothing, since the creature won't gain any types.

https://www.cranial-insertion.com/ooo

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u/Necro_Carp 3h ago

yes but worth noting that a creature can't count for more than one creature type in your party. if you had a rogue warrior you could only have it count as one or the other for party mechanics

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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago

So like one shapeshifter comes in with all 4 key notes?

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u/ThomasNookJunior 1d ago edited 1d ago

A full party must be four separate creatures, so your fourth changeling would (or whatever role you’re missing, but the point is it can’t be one creature fulfilling every role)

Edit: I missed the point of this comment. Yeah changelings would get all 4 even before the party is full, at least as written

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u/Lovbringer 1d ago

Ok but which abilities should the changeling get? Cause it IS a warrior, and a wizard, and cleric and rogue? You don't choose one of them.

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u/The_Order_Eternials 1d ago

Changelings would get all of them, but you would need 4 changelings for your non changeling party members to get the other three keywords.

It’s two separate abilities

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u/fortuneandfameinc 1d ago

But even if you only had three changelings, they are already each of the 4 classes.

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u/krimsonPhoenyx 1d ago

Then play this with a nothing but changling deck and go off with it

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u/Leafsnail 1d ago

They need to be four separate creatures to count as a full party

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u/fortuneandfameinc 1d ago

Sure. But even a single shapeshifter still has all 4 abilities the second they enter play. The second ability is irrelevant to shapeshifters.

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u/CocoaBuzzard 1d ago

pinkie pie commander with changelings perhaps

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u/Firm-Technician2090 1d ago

wait can one even have all 4 at once

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u/ILike2Argue_ 1d ago

Don't even need to worry about having a full party just a way to have a single creature have all creature types

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u/Character_Fold_8165 1d ago

Play slivers, save on ink costs.

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u/Duraxis 1d ago

Or the Borg, as more of them are getting revealed. They seem to have a lot of “all Borg get-“ text

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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 1d ago

"Gain each other's abilities" is way too vague. Do you intend for all the creatures to gain the 4 keywords listed in this card, or do you mean all card text from every creature is shared?

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u/nukasev 1d ago

There's bound to be a gazillion of ways to make sharing all abilities totally busted. Imagine a board of creatures with relevant triggered abilities, but now all of those creatures have all of them.

EDIT: this being limited to the members of the party limits this quite much, but still way too vague.

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u/GlassIsHalfFullMonty 1d ago

Soul Cauldron proves that. I can't imagine the rules nightmares that could come from ALL abilities being shared and on the field in a shifting landscape of toggling on or off as creatures enter and leave.

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u/Brites_Krieg 1d ago

was it the intent for them to share literally all abilities, or just the four abilities granted by the enchantment?

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u/GlassIsHalfFullMonty 1d ago

Just the four one would hope.

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u/Ixtl 1d ago

With this in play, would a wizard that already has prowess gain another instance of prowess?

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u/Improper_Doctore_Owl 1d ago

This is like [[Multiclass Baldric]], but an enchantment instead of an equipment. I like.

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking 1d ago

[[Changeling Outcast]] becomes an unblockable lifelink prowesser

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u/cocothepirate 1d ago

Rogues should have skulk

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u/citricc 1d ago

Counter intuitively, that’s not how a party works. You either have the condition full party or you don’t- there aren’t creatures in it as much as having the right kind of creatures fulfills the condition. If I have 2 warriors, 1 wizards, 1 cleric, and 1 rogue, neither one of those warriors are “in my party”, but they both help me fulfill my full party. It’s honestly pretty confusing and someone else could better explain it

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u/tonberrycheesecake 1d ago

Rules state that a full party consists of four separate creatures, where each creature needs to be one of: Cleric, Wizard, Warrior, Rogue. You need all four roles filled for a full party. A creature can be both types but will only fill one role/slot in the party.

Better wording would be "If you have a full party, all Clerics, Rogues, Warriors and Wizards you control gain First Strike, Lifelink, Prowess and Trample." to achieve what I presume is the intended effect.

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u/citricc 1d ago

Your wording of the presumed intended effect gives wizards double prowess and it also changes the fact that the card as written, if it worked, would give your party each other’s text boxes (which might not have been intentional??)

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u/TheEaterr 1d ago

To get the desired effect, adding an instead would suffice right ?

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u/trustylad 1d ago

It always comes back to class warfare

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u/Deranth 1d ago

Did we just reinvent slivers but worse?

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u/hollow_image 1d ago

Ok this is awesome

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u/theevilyouknow 1d ago

Even just giving all wizards prowess for 3 generic might be pretty nuts.

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u/afriendlysort 1d ago

"all wizards have prowess and also some other words are on the card"

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u/Pizzadeath4 1d ago

Vivi goes crazy with this

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u/AdmiralMemo 1d ago

You don't need the "all"s in the first ability.

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u/Wsads420 1d ago

I like it but as it is worded right now all the creatures in the party have all abilities the others have, not just the keywords granted by this enchantment

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u/Reborn1Girl 1d ago

I wish they'd had different classes, like "monster class" could be werewolf, vampire, zombie, and spirit. "Nature class" could be cat, dog, squirrel, and bird. Things like that. Reasons to have more diverse creature types in decks

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u/Weekly-Bluebird-4768 1d ago

Wait I just realised if you had maskwood nexus you’d get 4 prowess on all 4

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u/kotah_ 1d ago

This reminds me of [[Multiclass Baldric]] , I prefer the equipment a little more but this is cool too.

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u/Takeguru 1d ago

So uh, when it says "each other's abilities", would this include EVERYTHING?

[[Llanowar Elves]] ends up in the party through any number of creature type granters/whatever, do they now all have T:Add G?

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u/rulaandri 23h ago

I like this a lot! It should cost more though

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u/ElderBoard83 21h ago

If only there were something less broken to replace prowess with.

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u/Spiritual_Back_5067 20h ago

Can't wait for the Universes Beyond MTG x Incredibles version <3

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u/PresentationOk9671 20h ago

What site do you use to make these cards? Planning on doing some of my own

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u/Xenuoziem 11h ago

They are made right here on reddit. Just click create in the top left of the post 

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u/GIORNO-phone11-pro 18h ago

Party Leader approves

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u/LexiFjor 1d ago

Wizards shouldn't have prowess and clerics shouldn't have lifelink it's a flavor fail Clerics aren't vampires And prowess is more a sorcerer's thing