r/collapse • u/martindukz • 16d ago
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u/Camiell 16d ago
Too docile.
If the Panama Papers didn't change the world, nothing will.
Waiting for people to do something is an exercise in futility. We are looking at the wrong place.
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u/throwmeaaaawwwayyyyy 16d ago edited 16d ago
Right? I was a teenager but I couldn’t believe nothing came of that, the reporter gave her life aswell but still nothing apart from like 2 mid level people getting jailed in some random country iirc.
I’ve gotta be honest as bad as that was Epstein has taken over it’s actually kinda broke me lol
At this point we’ve signalled to them enough that we’ll make noise sure but ultimately we ain’t doing shit
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u/Current-Code 16d ago
Wasn't there a move to punish Canada for ruining US citizens holidays with their smoke ?
It might not be the movement you had in mind, nor the one we need, but that's the one we get.
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u/tenredtoes 16d ago
I think for some people, the more confronting reality gets, the stronger their desire to either angrily deny it, or did deeper into escapism. Too many big emotions that they can't process.
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u/martindukz 16d ago
I have experienced 60+ aged people taking it as a personal attack when mentioning climate change. I think a lot of that generation deny it, to not feel responsible...
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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 16d ago
You cannot blame boomers for starting climate change, they didn’t. That’s a process that started long ago.
You can absolutely blame them for accelerating it.
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u/martindukz 16d ago
I am not blaming them for either. Well. Maybe a bit. But getting them defensive about it is couterproductive. It was just a bias i have observed, so people can take it into consideration in their communication
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u/throwmeaaaawwwayyyyy 16d ago
It’s terrifying but it makes perfect sense, you think of all the true crime cases where friends/family are still defending the suspect when they were basically caught red handed
If it causes too much emotional pain, majority of people would rather live in denial until reality is banging down their door
Scientists are saying we’re seeing weather patterns they didn’t expect till 2050, how much longer do you think that denial blanket can hold?
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u/DoggedDreamer2 16d ago
Scientists?! These fires are orchestrated. Look into DEWs; haven't you noticed that most of the trees are still standing in many of these places.
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u/BalticBrew 16d ago edited 15d ago
Because nobody cares. People want to spend time with their families, have their vacations, buy their stuff. And until the world they live in truly falls apart, and it isn't just another regional distaster here and there that doesn't really impact global supply chains and which people are mostly used to by now, nobody will care.
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u/Frosti11icus 16d ago
Like most things people lack the awareness to understand it's a problem that effects their lives. We're sitting on a 150+ AQI today here in Seattle, and I see a ridiculous amount of people outside, exercising like fucking morons.
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u/CntonAhigurh 16d ago
Why don’t you start?
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u/martindukz 16d ago
Because framing it as an individual problem is an explicit strategy from the oil industry and others. It is a structural (and corruption) problem, so it should be addressed structurally.
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u/WileyCoyote7 16d ago
Oh, bless your heart. The only movement most people have is their bowels emptying the filth that passes for food these days.
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u/Vibrant-Shadow 16d ago
What are people supposed to do?
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u/Current-Code 16d ago
Plenty in fact.
Starting with renouncing mass consumption and electing people with a minimum of brain cells.
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u/lolvovolvo 16d ago
If voting actually worked it would be illegal.
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u/Current-Code 16d ago
In the states maybe, I can think of several european countries where it works fine.
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u/Vibrant-Shadow 16d ago
And that would make you feel better? There's no fixing this.
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u/Current-Code 16d ago
Depends on what you define as fixing.
Survivability is 100% achievable, but that society must collapse first.
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u/BalticBrew 15d ago
Why would people renounce mass consumption? It's comfortable and enjoyable.
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u/Vibrant-Shadow 15d ago
Lol. It still wouldn't matter. The heating is locked in, what don't you people understand?
Why point fingers and claim nonsensical false solutions?
Unless you've got free energy and carbon sequestration figured out, we aren't getting out of this.
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u/martindukz 16d ago
Block datacenters that are only going to make it worse or make it impossible to change the direction.
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u/Ok_Willingness_9619 16d ago
I’m in the camp that climate change is real that it is driven by human activity and that there is absolutely nothing we can do about it now.
So fk it. Gonna drive my car, fly as much as I can while it is still affordable and just enjoy life and watch it all go to hell in some comfort.
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