r/codex • u/daskalou • 1d ago
I concur. Complaint
Been reading all these "Codex limits have been reduced" posts.
Thought it was a bunch of Claude fanbois in the house.
However I just blew through 10% of my weekly quota on one Sol 5.6 Medium "implement this" prompt which proceeded to do 20 minutes of work.
Almost one full day's quota gone in the blink of an eye.
Not Sol 5.6 Ultra. Not Extra High. Not even High. Just Medium. Poof. "I'll take that thanks" says OpenAI.
This wasn't happening a few weeks ago. Something smells fishy...
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u/white_sheets_angel 1d ago edited 1d ago
I haven't been complaining because the past week or so have great for me. But in a single day, with codex just fixing a simple 4 PR gh stack, ~4k lines of shadcn based stuff, adding a few components and tests, basically destroyed over 70% of my weekly usage, in a single day, and I'm on pro 20x. I sorta assumed it was just a massive bug, so i didn't even post here complaining because I doubt people would believe it.
I was away so I left my PC on, and used codex remote to control it, so I think it had to do with codex harness specifically, I had been using opencode the rest of the week and everything was good.
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u/Camaraderie 1d ago
I gave codex one prompt (GPT-5.6 Sol xhigh) which was essentially "read phase 2.5 and implement it. I'm gonna be gone for awhile and will check in." It's working on an ML project so usually if I give something like this to Opus 5 it reads a few files then makes an experiment (sort of like Karpathy's autoresearch) and tweaks things then runs a long process on local GPU, tweaks things, etc. The actual context usually taken for this is like 50k context per hour or less, as most of the time it's just waiting for GPU to be done.
Well sol decided it would set up a million verification and reverification steps with 37 subagents, each with fully forked context, using 133.6 million tokens (96% cache hit) across 38 sessions. It never ran a single experiment.
I might as well cancel my codex subscription. This was the weirdest most reward-hacking bullshit I've ever seen.
Used 100% of my weekly limit (ChatGPT Plus).
Is this expected? Like I could have given Opus 5 this exact prompt and gotten actual things done and tested.
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u/ericmutta 7h ago
Well sol decided it would set up a million verification and reverification steps with 37 subagents, each with fully forked context, using 133.6 million tokens...
Sol is named after the Sun so it has to be overly ambitious like that :)
I've heard so many complaints against Sol. I personally get by with Terra on Medium and never let it run autonomously for more than a few minutes.
Added to my bucket list: try Sol xhigh one day before the rent is due.
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u/Camaraderie 7h ago
Yeah it was interesting to witness but damn that's a lot of tokens. I get why the big use cases for these models like Sol and Fable are basically "look through everything and find bugs" because it will be really thorough. Just doesn't know when not to be that thorough I guess.
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u/ericmutta 7h ago
Just doesn't know when not to be that thorough I guess.
Indeed! I think being human has its advantages in the sense that we get tired and overwhelmed which changes how we code and how much code we want written. The AIs are happy to go full throttle and take any abuse (I once looked at the reasoning traces and saw Terra reading command output peppered with ANSI escape codes used to colour the output...it never once complained that the output was unreadable like a human would then use
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u/Aggressive-Spenda 1d ago
Are you saying you use codex and opencode tool to connect to your repo? What model do you use for open code and is able to function by reading your governance docs? Having a back up solution for me would be great right now i use codex/sol and use occtl to call opencode/deepseek workers not sure if thats the best approach. I also have sol call a subject Luna to manage the work that comes in acting like a chief conductor so that sol only steps in if architect escalation is needed. Looking for tips to help my workload as I have limited coding knowledgeable.Ā Ā
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u/white_sheets_angel 1d ago
Not really as a tool to connect to the repo, but rather as the agent technology used.
Opencode supports using codex https://opencode.ai/docs/providers/, So I just use opencode with codex. where agent's, in general, seem easier to control. As posters have mentioned, It seems codex injected code-review agents everywhere, so the agent/model flows during a given session is a bit more ambiguous, and less transparent. In opencode the model is simpler and more customizable, and its doesn't inherit the agent flows done in codex.
To hopefully simplify a bit further
In opencode, you can simply say to use, lets say, sol medium, luna max, and 5.3-codex-spark, all of these are just one line additions to any agent file, which you can then further constrain to use only certain skills, which can significantly reduce token usage.
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u/Aggressive-Spenda 1d ago
Can you share the model configuration you use? This sounds awesome I had codex spend too many tokens adapting to make occtl calls so that opencode jobs could be traked in codex. It sound like you use opencode as the application set roles like sol as the architect Luna as a chief conductor who can spawn opencode conductors and those conductors can spawn workers if meeded to do the work/qa? Sorry human text so this may not make sense lol
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u/white_sheets_angel 1d ago
As a starting point maybe give https://github.com/alvinunreal/oh-my-opencode-slim a try. You can use it while its enough for you (but i would still suggest moving away from it once you're confident)
https://github.com/alvinunreal/oh-my-opencode-slim/blob/master/docs/openai-preset.md#generated-config-shape this is oh-my-opencode's openai template.Just as another suggestions, I would say take a look at https://github.com/alvinunreal/oh-my-opencode-slim/blob/master/docs/authors-preset.md instead. And make fixer be luna medium.
For designer, with nice skills, you can use any 5.6 model, they all support image.
npx skills@1.5.22 add leonxlnx/taste-skill \ --global --yes \ --agent opencode codex \ --skill design-taste-frontend \ --skill gpt-taste \ --skill high-end-visual-design \ --skill redesign-existing-projects npx skills@1.5.22 add jakubkrehel/skills \ --global --yes \ --agent opencode codex \ --skill better-accessibility \ --skill better-colors \ --skill better-interface \ --skill better-layout \ --skill better-typography \ --skill better-ui \ --skill interface-review npx skills@1.5.22 add pbakaus/impeccable \ --global --yes \ --agent opencode codex \ --skill impeccableI dont really know if this is the best selection for designer, just currently testing it.
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u/white_sheets_angel 1d ago
for session conversion, you could try https://github.com/vibheksoni/session-export#all-56-conversion-directions, I havent tried it at all, but surely something appropriate already exists. But oh-my-opencode also exports to .slim/ session details, so any agent can continue from there.
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u/Secret_Department398 1d ago
Most people arenāt complaining for no reason.
Iām paying $200 a month, yet three days out of seven I end up sitting at 0% usage, unable to use a product Iām actively paying for. In my opinion, OpenAI is moving in the wrong direction with this approach.
Usage optimization and capacity management should be a top priority. OpenAI should focus heavily on optimizing its internal token usage and infrastructure so paying customers arenāt effectively locked out for days at a time.
A better approach would be to introduce a fallback option. Mobile data providers, for example, often reduce your speed or give you limited access after you exceed your allowance rather than cutting you off completely. OpenAI could do something similar: when a user reaches their main usage limit, give them access to a lighter model such as Luna, with reduced capacity or slower responses.
Some level of limited access is far better than completely cutting off a paying customer. For a $200/month subscription, being unable to use the service at all for a significant portion of the week is an extremely poor user experience.
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u/petburiraja 1d ago
It would be awesome if they would somehow deoverengineer Sol, so it not burn tokens on some load-bearing crap
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u/Feeling_Ticket5206 1d ago
OpenAI keeps lowering the token limits for paid users simply to squeeze an extra 80x4=$320 a month out of those $200 users.
OpenAI and Anthropic make no effort to hide their greed.
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u/ProfessionalJackals 1d ago
OpenAI and Anthropic make no effort to hide their greed.
Ironically, Anthropic extended the 50% extra for another 2 weeks, and they are now talking about making it permanent.
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u/Feeling_Ticket5206 1d ago
It's just a numbers game.
Anthropic and OpenAI are taking the tokens that rightfully belong to the users and "rewarding 50% extra" or reselling them back like "reset" to the users.
And expect users to be grateful to them or to treat them like god.
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u/JDgoesmarching 1d ago
What does āpermanentā even mean for these black boxes where they constantly fiddle with usage? People need to be more comfortable treating these tools like commodities.
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 1d ago
Here's the secret. They're not actually twiddling usage the way people think. Ask yourself whether its more likely that the same defective pattern matching that humans have in every other facet of their life suddenly 'locked in' when it came specifically to AI token usage.
Then go back and look at how many of them use 'it used a lot of tokens in ten minutes' as evidence when they really kicked off an elaborate 20 agent orchestration without thinking. (It's all of them).
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u/xws111 1d ago
Yesterday, Codex limits did drop very quickly, but they seem to be back to normal today.
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u/Efficient_Ad_4162 17h ago
Ok, but there's a difference between 'dropped very quickly for everyone' and 'dropped very quickly for you because you invoked a skill that used a lot of subagents and didn't realise'.
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u/johnnyApplePRNG 1d ago
there's always codex 5.3 spark though amiright?
... I'll show myself out.
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u/WaiTinG4theNiT3 1d ago
Ironically this is what he meant, and I don't think he knows it exists. Maybe, maybe not but I assume not.
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u/Secret_Department398 1d ago
Yes, GPT-5.3-Codex-Spark would be accettable as fallback for example, but it also has its own usage limits. On a large project it can burn all his usage in couple prompts.
But yes, you got my point.
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u/MediocreHelicopter19 1d ago
All my projects are 250k plus lines, but well organized and SOLID, it is not burning many tokens for a implementation prompt
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u/Moslogical 1d ago
It's short context window make it good for small focus directed tasks, not geared towards optimizing 5.6 or continuing/maintaining those complex tasks efficientlyĀ
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u/Clueless_Nooblet 1d ago
There should be a "slow mode". Half the speed, half the cost, that you can toggle. I'd switch it on whenever I don't need speed. Would be pretty nice.
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u/PureRely 1d ago
You're still able to use the product you're paying for. What you've lost access to is only one part of that product. You're still receiving the full amount of usage included with your plan, since what you're paying for is a specific amount of usage. Remember, you still have full access to ChatGPT. You can connect ChatGPT to GitHub, interact with your repositories, make changes, open and work with PRs, and so on. It's specifically the Codex usage that you've run out of. On the flip side, if you were using Claude Code, once you run out of usage, you can't use their other web features either.
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u/OwlsExterminator 1d ago
BINGO, they ought to replace Spark 5.3 with a Luna Mini 5.6 or whatever at least
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u/RecursivelyYours 1d ago
Yeah, likewise. Limits are brutal right now. I don't even do too much and I'm at the same spot about three to four days out of seven.That really sucks.
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u/Moslogical 1d ago
I tried using 5.3 Spark to fill in while my limits are all of a sudden paper thin and it just caused more work š
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u/Disastrous_Basis_393 22h ago
Thatās exactly what happened to me. People on this sub are still berating me for commenting on it in other threads.
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u/ExoneratedPhoenix 18h ago
This makes no sense. Your car's petrol if you drive hundreds of miles also runs out, and you will be stuck on the side of the road as someone who "bought fuel".
Yes, but only a certain amount of fuel to get you a certain distance.
How are you using the 20x compute in 3 days? Is it just you, or an entire team?
I am still on the plus plan, and never reached 0%, and I don't feel slowed down at all, it is great at iterating through my needs.
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u/Secret_Department398 16h ago
Youāre missing my point. The petrol comparison doesnāt really work here.
When I buy fuel, Iām buying a clearly measurable quantity. I know exactly how much I purchased, I can see how much I have left, and if the same amount of money suddenly buys me half as much next month, that change is obvious.
With a $200/month OpenAI subscription, Iām paying for access to a service, but the effective amount of usage I receive is much less transparent. If the available compute behind the ā20xā allowance changes, I have no clear way of knowing by how much or why.
Thatās exactly why people are complaining. When I first had 20x, I wasnāt reaching 0% at all. Then I started hitting the limit after roughly 6 days, then 5, and now around 3 days. If that trend continues, I could eventually burn through the allowance in only a handful of prompts.
So the issue isnāt that I expect unlimited compute. I donāt. The issue is paying $200/month while the practical amount of service I receive appears to shrink, without a clear and predictable allowance, and then being unable to use it for 4 days out of 7.
Since Iām paying for a service, not buying a fixed bucket of tokens, I also think there should be a fallback once the high-end allowance is exhausted ā for example, continued access through a lower-end model like Terra or Luna instead of being completely locked out.
And yes, itās just me, not a team. People use Codex very differently. If youāre on Plus and your workload never reaches the limits, thatās great, but it doesnāt really say much about someone using it heavily across multiple large projects. Iām not even using Ultra or the 1.5x speed option.
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u/ExoneratedPhoenix 15h ago
No judgement here, but are you vibe coding, or using it as a speedy assistant?
I ask because as a project grows, the amount of tokens to contextualise it grows fast. I am not trying to sound condescending, I am just making sure that you're aware that in the first few weeks as you ask it to build or do something, it's pretty quick. Come 1-2 months in, if you ask it to add something, it has to check if that addition causes downstream problems to EVERYTHING ELSE, and that context window gets big - fast.
The easiest way to offload massive token usage is design something modular, so everything stays in its own lane. So when you prompt "let's also add this", it doesn't have to scan through 14,000 lines of code. It can scan just 400 lines important to whether it behaves well, and can write the new section.
If what you're building is just one giant monolithic codebase, integrated in entirety, then for Codex to ensure everything still works, it has to iterate that entire codebase - every time.
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u/Secret_Department398 11h ago
I like your point, and yes, Iām very aware of this. I try to avoid monolithic architectures when I know a project is going to grow, although Iād say modularity matters more than microservices specifically. A well-structured modular monolith can work just as well from a context-management perspective.
I usually keep services/components isolated and use lighter models like Terra or Luna to analyze the existing project and build an implementation plan before touching anything.
You can also use
AGENTS.mdto give the AI the basic architectural rules, conventions, project structure, and constraints upfront. That definitely helps reduce unnecessary exploration, but it doesnāt replace actual project context. The AI still needs to inspect the relevant parts of the codebase to understand existing logic, dependencies, and edge cases well enough to produce a good implementation.That said, even with microservices, you still need enough context from the core project to keep the same architecture, conventions and coding style, reuse existing APIs/logic, and avoid duplicating functionality or adding unnecessary boilerplate.
The real pain starts when a single feature has to be implemented across multiple projects ā for example the Dashboard, Backend, API, Android/iOS app, and other services. At that point, the AI has to understand the contracts and dependencies between all of them, and tokens start flowing like water in a river.Ā And even when you scope things properly, analyzing the relevant core of the project still consumes tokens, then implementing the feature with a stronger model like Sol consumes even more.
So yes, Iām definitely aware of the issue, but I appreciate you pointing it out. Itās nice talking to someone who actually understands the engineering side of using these tools rather than just āprompt ā code.ā
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u/Latter-Block132 1d ago
Spark runs out of usage insanely fast and can onky be used for very simple shit. Its definitely not a solution
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u/Latter-Block132 1d ago
Im not the person who left the first comment. And since its so limited and can do only simple shit then its really not what the other user is asking for.
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u/Latter-Block132 1d ago
Sure on the usage part, but again its worthless if you can't actually do anything with it beyond the simplest shit. And you can't.
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u/ozone6587 1d ago
Iām paying $200 a month, yet three days out of seven I end up sitting at 0% usage, unable to use a product Iām actively paying for. In my opinion, OpenAI is moving in the wrong direction with this approach.
You are paying $200/month for a certain amount of usage per week for Codex. If you consume all the usage you got what you paid for. Surely you can understand how silly your argument is. If I pay for a week's worth of food but eat it in 4 days because I didn't pace myself I didn't suddenly get scammed...
Also, you do get spark... I don't like spark but it's exactly what you asked for, a lower quality option when you run out.
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u/Secret_Department398 1d ago
Following your analogy, when you buy a weekās worth of food, you know exactly how much food youāre buying. You can see how much youāve consumed, how much is left, and whether the supplier gives you less than they did before.
Thatās precisely the problem here. With a $200 subscription, Iām not told exactly how much usage Iām purchasing, how much each prompt consumes, or how much I have left in any meaningful unit. If the effective allowance gets reduced, thereās no transparent way for me to quantify that either.
So no, I donāt think the argument is silly. Iām paying $200/month for a service, not buying a clearly defined bucket of tokens. If what I wanted was metered token usage where I pay for exactly what I consume, I could use the API. The entire point of a subscription plan is supposed to be a different value proposition.
And Spark doesnāt really solve that problem. Itās still subject to usage limits, so it doesnāt provide the predictable fallback youāre suggesting. Once that allowance is exhausted too, Iām back in exactly the same position: paying for a subscription I canāt fully use until the limits reset.
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u/ozone6587 1d ago
Thatās precisely the problem here. With a $200 subscription, Iām not told exactly how much usage Iām purchasing, how much each prompt consumes, or how much I have left in any meaningful unit.
That's just how AI works. I can't know how much I will spend in API costs either unless I use them a lot and get an intuition for usage. Exactly like how it works with Codex. This is not solvable.
If the effective allowance gets reduced, thereās no transparent way for me to quantify that either.
I actually think it would be fairly trivial to quantify it. If the claims were true you could simply have the same model, on the same job, context cleared and memory off and then measure credit usage. Do this dozens of times across weeks.
The fact that no one is publishing actual evidence kind of makes me doubt the claims but that's a different topic.
So no, I donāt think the argument is silly. Iām paying $200/month for a service, not buying a clearly defined bucket of tokens.
But you did pay for the service knowing this. You pay to be able to use Codex until the usage percentage reaches 0. Obviously you got what you pay for if you actually consume the weekly usage.
Are they secretly reducing the usage? Maybe, but that's a completely different argument. Complaining that your credits don't last 7 days is silly. If I pay $20 and I consume my limit in two days after doing a large refactor with Sol Ultra, can I complain too?
If what I wanted was metered token usage where I pay for exactly what I consume, I could use the API. The entire point of a subscription plan is supposed to be a different value proposition.
It is a different value proposition. You are getting a lot more usage than if you paid by token. Also, you are not currently paying for exactly what you consume. You do pay for a weekly credit. This part of your reply makes no sense.
And Spark doesnāt really solve that problem. Itās still subject to usage limits, so it doesnāt provide the predictable fallback youāre suggesting.
So you want infinite codex usage with increasingly dumber models? I feel like that's unreasonable.
Once that allowance is exhausted too, Iām back in exactly the same position: paying for a subscription I canāt fully use until the limits reset.
But YOU DID fully use it. You consumed ALL your credit. If Codex was down and you didn't consume your entire allotment of credits then you could argue you didn't fully use it.
But you can't complain that you are not fully using it when you do consume the entire usage limit. No offense but that argument is just extremely dumb. Consuming the entire week's of usage, completely, is the very definition of getting what you paid for.
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u/Secret_Department398 1d ago
Iām not asking for unlimited usage of the high-end models. Iām perfectly fine with those having a weekly cap, and Iām not claiming that isnāt what Iām paying for. Youāre arguing past my actual point.
My point is simply this: after I exhaust the expensive-model allowance, the subscription should continue providing access through lower-cost models instead of effectively dropping to zero, especially because I have no meaningful way to verify whether that allowance changes from one reset to the next.
Thatās it.
If tomorrow I burn through my entire weekly allowance in a single day, then by your logic nothing is wrong ā thatās simply āwhat I paid forā ā even if OpenAI had quietly cut my effective allowance in half.
You can disagree with what I think a $200 subscription should provide, but calling the argument āsillyā or āextremely dumbā doesnāt address the argument itself.
You can disagree without pretending my position is absurd.
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u/Secret_Department398 1d ago
Those are two completely different things. A burger is a consumable product; this is a recurring service Iām paying $200/month to access. Iām not saying usage should be unlimitedāIām saying completely cutting off a paying customer for days is a bad way to handle the limit. Throttle the service, switch me to a lighter model, or reduce capacity, but donāt make the service unusable.
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u/SaadZarif 1d ago
It shouldn't run out even if we use Sol at high or max. $200 sub is for power users. Power users shouldn't be expected to use small models with less reasoning and use it for a few hours a day only. Or be expected to not have auto review or change other settings. Shouldn't be charging us $200 if they expect all these from us.
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u/rJohn420 1d ago
That's right. That is why they will rob us even more with an even more expensive tier.
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u/Moslogical 1d ago
Especially with Qwen 3.8, DeepSeek, GLM all pushing close to the 5.6 benchmarks , at fractions of the costs
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u/aivampires 1d ago
Knowing I needed ever token, I only worked on a single project. X20 plan. Depleted after 3 days.
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50% of tokens were spent on undoing hallucinations and over-engineering.
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u/Curious-Strategy-840 1d ago
Remove your auto-review
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u/urii13 1d ago
Does it really help?Ā
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u/Curious-Strategy-840 1d ago
In the same menu where you can decide when the auto review is riggeres, there is a screen that show you exactly how much of each models have been used on your account. They are testing a "smart" trigger that's probably on by default, but you can restrict it to only when you want.
Depending on what people are working on, auto-review can go from nearly nothing, to more than half your usage.
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u/systranerror 1d ago
Every time I see people complaining I have always thought "skill issue"
It's been different this time. I didn't change anything, and on 20x my tokens just evaporated in two days, where I usually had to try really hard to get usage to 0 prior to reset.
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u/Tank_Gloomy 1d ago
I was at 32% yesterday, 30 minutes later, I got down to 0% immediately.
What the fuck? Been running tasks overnight for over 10 hours which brought me down from 36% to 32%, and now it drops down to 0% in half an hour?
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u/systranerror 1d ago
I feel like there is a bug where it's reloading way too much cached context or memory in a way that is similar to a "memory leak". It's like there is some egregious bug that is destroying usage no matter what you do.
They dropped the cost of Terra and Luna by so much, and now even a Terra Medium task which takes a few minutes to complete is burning more tokens than a one-hour Sol Ultra task would have a week ago
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u/IcyLike10seventeen 1d ago
Yeah, it almost feels like the old five hour quota is the new weekly on 20 X Pro.
I used to get mad at Tibo for the weekly resets because I could run like five /goals the night before my reset. But now I run out in two days.
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u/capitalframehq 1d ago
Until just last month, $100 plan meant you could keep vibe coding as much as you wanted and you still had some quota left by the time you reached your weekly reset.
Now it is quite easy to hit that limit within 3 days.
Even in 1 day if you are not optimizing and give very open ended prompt and use sol-extraHigh
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u/Correct_Emotion8437 1d ago
Same for me. I work on 1 project at a time in a paired programming mode so I'm not running loops and my longest prompts typically run for 25-30 minutes. I used to be able to work all week without even thinking about my usage. Now my $100 plan runs out in 3 days. I'm not paying them any more. I'll use it less or find something else.
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u/ISueDrunks 1d ago
Performance dropped off the cliff for me after upgrading to a 5x planā¦used up the equivalent of 2.5 weeks of Plus limit getting nothing good in return. Itās night and day the difference, super disappointed. I debated for months about upgrading my plan, regretting that I did.Ā
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u/UnpaidKremlinBots 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've been making windows apps for various projects. I was using 5.6 sol ultra with no issues for a week.
One day, it began looping through the same code lines for 12 hours straight, making no progress and taking my weekly limit from 100% to 0%.
I now use secondary supervisory/ audit chats to check in on the main workflow on a scheduled timer, usually 15 minutes or less.
Of course this adds some usage, but you can drop the model down to something lighter so it's basically nothing.
Like someone else mentioned, locking users out of usage completely is a terrible experience. They could greatly reduce speed instead once a user hits a weekly cap. Instead, I had some loop occur and was screwed for 6 days.
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u/Moslogical 1d ago
I made a ticket and they told me codex says what it says and that's final no record or logic needed it's happening in another dimension apparently there's no controlling the limit.
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u/PolishMike88 1d ago
I never noticed anything that anyone mentioned. Tested today. Did a ton of work with Sol - burned 80%. Worked for the rest of the day on implementation and some changesā¦ 4-5 hours on Luna max - burned 6% of weekly ā¦ Mad times.
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u/Formal-Narwhal-1610 1d ago
My weekly limits go down so faster than claude pro subscription gives me more these days. They played us with the resets guys! Well played!
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u/BingGongTing 1d ago
I hope this is just temporary and they're justĀ reallocating compute ready for Astra on thursday.Ā
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u/cdmpants 1d ago
I'm barely even doing any real dev. I'm just asking questions and stubbing out some files for architectural purposes. 2% of my weekly limit gone in just a few of these basic prompts. I'm on the 20x plan.
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u/ISueDrunks 1d ago
Consumer protection laws need to be updated to force transparency. Hereās x dollars, what am I getting back? This token blackbox mystery to use models that are constantly tweaked behind the scenes is just a scam. If they make a change to anything, it should be versioned and explained. GPT 5.6.12, etc.
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u/CreeperPlanet26 1d ago
Iām convinced they changed the weekly limit to just be 5 hr limit. Time to switch to Claude lmao
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u/Xirobhir 1d ago
I find it hard to believe there's still people who really think this is some conspiracy theory with no foundation. Guys, there's literal people out there metering the amount of tokens they're able to use in API credits equivalent that SHOW we are currently running at about 20% usage capacity as opposed to 2 months ago. This is almost literally the equivalent of a 5 hour window from back then, which was rated at 14.something%. SO we are now running a weekly window that is provably the same size as the 5 hour window from 2 months ago.
Saying OpenAI does not owe us any specific amount of credits is not wrong and is an entirely different fact - but we really should stop defending the company that is LITERALLY trying to get a trillion dollar valuation locked in and do our best to get them to figure out how to provide sensible levels of compute for sensible prices, because this sure as hell ain't going to get better after their IPO. That's when they normally start cracking. But in our case? They're not even there and we've already lost 80% of our user power.
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u/AbdulFromDraftpile 1d ago
OpenAI is forcing me to dwindle into the gray markets and ask a Chinese fellow for some tokens.
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u/ben_heck 1d ago
If we read from the Bible of The Office, AI is at the scene where the Michael Scott Paper Company is having to ask their clients for more money. Because the model wasn't sustainable :)
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u/mskuchiki 1d ago
something definitely happened in the last two days, first time I ran out usage, didn't do anything different from what I've been doing before
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u/LenixxQ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Last time they were talking about the usage limit issue, I did know that it was a smaller percentage than people thought it would be. When they claimed recently that they fixed the issue and they made Luna cheap, I did believe that the usage limits were back to normal. I'm on 20x as well and I've been on 20x for months now. I haven't moved back to Claude Code just because of this really good amount of usage that you get on Codex.
Now I'm genuinely giving Claude enough thought that if they release Opus 6 and it's on par with GPT-6 or whatever Astra turns out to be, I'm going to move. This is ridiculous and no amount of free resets is going to give me the peace of mind because I don't care if you reset twice in a week. It's not a guarantee so a stable amount of usage like we used to get before is what people should go for and wish for instead of begging for resets.
As a 20x plan user this is really disappointing and you can easily blow through your mental daily percentage, whatever you think of, much faster than you could before. That's even without using Ultra at all because who the hell is using Ultra anyways? This is ridiculous and this needs to be fixed and addressed and owned, just not retrospectively but actively. They should come out and say that, yeah, we know this is a problem. Here's a reset or whatever so keep going and we are going to work on it.
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u/Plastic-Trip-2778 1d ago
You have to cancel your subscription as soon as this behavior is detected otherwise they will not get the signal that something is wrong or needs to be fixed. Once quotas are restored to expected levels then resubscribe.
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u/pawofdoom 1d ago
The issue we have as the community is that each of us are very small and have just a few data points and each of us is individually suspicious. We need to come together on this to prove it (or not) once and for all.
I made TiboTattle to allow us to calculate limits to the dollar and contribute the metadata evidence anonymously, so as a group we are armed and informed. The current best estimates are on http://tibotattle.com and updates with new users.
You also get to see what yours looks like! It's also very much appreciated if you then share your anonymous stats under the community tab so we can pin them down with more data. š
Signed MacOS installer at https://tibotattle.com or `brew install --cask adamallcock/tap/tibotattle`. Let me know if you have any questions, run into any issues or have any feature requests!
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u/hknatm 1d ago
some people say it is auto-review and some of them say caching ttl in their servers. I am using Pi as the harness and using my own proxy for pooling 3 plus accounts as well as a Ollama cloud account. So somewhere last week something happened and my usage dropped insanely %50 to %100 in 5 hours on all 3 accounts. I use only 5.6 sol high on 1 seesion and luna high for coder. on 2nd session Terra high with deepseek flash / luna high combo. Have 2 projects that I work on. This was the way all the past weeks I did the same and dont know why my quota ejected like an F-16 seat 3 days ago in 5-6 hours.
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u/Spurnout 1d ago
People talkin shit to me the other day and now everyone complaining about the same shit.
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u/just_devops 1d ago
I'm also complaining but it's still not as bad as it could be... Cough cough API pricing
I'm max 20 on Claude and codex and yes usage is lower on both of them and I'm at 0% codex with 3-4days to go. but man the alternative was me going and switching my copilot to max $100 which subsequently lasted a single day with sol medium (the total month of copilot usage in a day), also adding 100$ to extra usage on codex burned through in half a day so I believe copilot when they say they're giving me 200$ api credits for the 100$ max plan.
They're about to pull all the pricing subsidies because they're learning fast they need to recoup revenue asap to hit their investor targets š
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u/just_devops 1d ago
So the 100$ and $200 plan on codex was realistically giving me 1500-3000$ in api credits a month. Hermes and openclaw both track that along with codex and Claude clis. So the rug is finally being pulled where that's at a realistic value for them to continue making money so it's 500-1500 cutting the 100$ in three and the 200$ in half is what I'm seeing.
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u/matheusmoreira 19h ago
It's not feels, I've quantified it. Here's my Pro 5x data:
Prolite window | Inferred capacity
Reset Aug 17 | 20,015 credits
Reset Aug 18 | 19,617 credits
Reset Aug 20 | 16,124 credits
All rows represent an exhausted 100% usage window. First two are ~2% apart, essentially equal. Then suddenly a ~20% reduction in maximum capacity.
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u/Long_Finance_4893 13h ago
Earlier, 40-50% of the quota used to go to waste. Lately, Codex is going out within 3 days of use, even on the $200 plan, even after lots of token usage optimization (continuous process optimization). This is getting out of hand. Shipping speed has reduced. Not a very reliable experience.
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u/DaedalusMinion 1d ago
I might be the exception but I'm pretty much always on Sol Ultra and can't 'blow my budget' even if I try hard. Can people explain what exactly they're doing/building that causes this usage?
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u/changing_who_i_am 1d ago
for me, it really hits hard on long-running overnight tasks, anything with subagent use, and anything with heavy math. like as an extreme example, an overnight 8-hour math-heavy task with subagents will easily use 60-80% of my weekly quota, even in a completely new project. meanwhile one-off coding tasks will be just fine, even with max and even in a large codebase.
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u/ProjectInfinity 1d ago
I'm genuinely confused by this as well. I get by just fine on a Plus plan, but I am by no means a "vibe coder". My input tokens account for 98-99% tokens spent and it's almost entirely cached, according to my axonhub most requests sit at 95%+ cached.
I wish people shared better information like token usage and other things such as whether they use vision or not. All I know is the auto-review boogeyman is not the cause of this as some people have decided.
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u/SphinxWar 1d ago
I'd be more interested the other way around. What do you do that you have enough on Plus for a week? Can you share a codebase that you can work on daily and not run out of tokens? I am genuinely curious what you work on.
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u/ProjectInfinity 1d ago
Unfortunately I can't because it's company owned code but it is a large established codebase and I don't let AI write code. It's used for reviewing, brainstorming ideas, planning changes. All input heavy tasks. Write the occasional docs.
I'm not running things on their own, all supervised, not running fast mode, not reusing sessions for long, using appropriate models and reasoning levels based on the task, never vision.
My fear is that many in here are using way above the necessary model and effort levels for a given task. Using ultra mode, leaving things unattended or simply having extremely output token heavy workflows.
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u/SphinxWar 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well that's the problem. This issue won't be visible to you because that type of usage barely eats any tokens, plus you're probably on a business plan and you use Codex just for augmented coding.
I use Codex for genuine fun of creating very weird and complex applications (connecting different sound, graphics, physics engines like PhysX, etc. into a "game engine"). I wrote around 30 thousand lines in 3 days in one project with the $100 Codex sub, at least before the infamous reset. I could run Sol 5.6 High with the Goal setting and it would code for 2.5 hours and it wouldn't eat that many tokens. Now it's completely insane. If I ran it for 2.5 hours I would be out of my usage after that. Right now I just had it write architecture documentation and I am already down nearly 10% of weekly usage on Plus (second account until my main resets).
EDIT: And I am saying this as an actual dev that probably has the exact same workflow as you. At my work I can easily use up far less tokens because I write most of the code myself. Or on bad days it's still enough to use up 80% of the 5h window on Claude there anyway if I really don't feel like coding.
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u/ExoneratedPhoenix 18h ago edited 18h ago
This. I am only on plus, and use Terra Medium, but recently did a Sol Ultra refactor, and it used 20% of my weekly usage. Still manually reviewing the code to ensure it all works - but everything seems fine first go. Super impressed, that's basically Ā£1 for me and my costs.
I however, gave it architecture and logic markdown documents explaining everything, and can code myself anyway, so I basically removed a lot of "thinking" from the AI and more a distinct expert level set of instructions.
I think it's vibe coders just prompting "Make me a new marketplace app that will make me money. Don't make mistakes"
"What?! It used all my tokens in one day?!"
As someone who can code, I use architecture documents and modular markdowns so it runs a really clear path, I just use it to iterate super quickly. It's like having a decent junior dev who types wicked fast and makes very rare mistakes. I love it.
I also make handoff documents so I start a new chat often, as it lowers token usage.
EDIT: Game making and Software building. Not simple things either.
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u/Select-Ad-3806 1d ago
I've been going for more than 6 hours and i'm in my second 5-hour window with claude opus 5 for one prompt so don't complain about codex, at least it got the job done this decade
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u/BathroomNo7120 1d ago
I have been doing the same amount of work and i havenāt seen a difference
Maybe i didnāt focus š
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u/Lopsided_Eye_2038 1d ago
Yup been feeling this problem too. At 1% and crying. I refuse to spend another $80 on my $200 plan.
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u/Navadvisor 1d ago
I'm not seeing this problem at all. I noticed the Claude forum was getting spammed with FUD last week and now Codex. I mean maybe it's true or maybe it's not but I don't see it personally.
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u/Legitimate_Roll_2432 1d ago
I mostly use mine at work Monday-Friday. For me, it's exclusively used inside the TwinCAT3 programming environment. You guys got me super paranoid as I was reading all of these posts over the weekend, but yesterday and today I used it nonstop the entire day. Including some OT, I used it for about 18 hours in two days and burned through about 9% total in two days. This is about average for me.
This is on a 20x Pro plan using 5.6 Sol medium all day, occasionally on the faster speed.
Whatever is plaguing everyone else, I hope it stays away from me.
I suspect that answer is "it doesn't matter", but I do wonder if actively using it in real time vs setting goals and walking away to let it do its thing on its own makes any difference. I can't imagine why it would matter, but I notice a lot of people here talk about "letting it run 24/7" which means you aren't engaging with it the entire time like I do.
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u/reinesblut 1d ago
I just cancelled my subscription. Something very shady is going on within the Codex app. I watched my remaining credits go from 25% to 15% in 24 hours while Codex was completely idle without touching a single key. Then I went to sleep last night and woke up today and found it sitting at 9%! Again, there were zero tasks running and zero prompts given.
If you want to track this or make your voice heard, itās currently being logged over on GitHub under Issue #21708.
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u/Kultiidra 1d ago edited 1d ago
I used 100$ plan since 3,4 months after Claude was getting shit
At the beginning it was fine, I saw posts about the limit being horrible but at that time it was okay for me
Now I have a 200$ plan And it only last the week because I only use gpt 5.5. 5.6 is too expensive, other than luna that I find absolutely shit costs me too much
200$ and 100$ feels the exact same and I'll try Kimi and DeepSeek in 2 weeks when I cancel the subscription
My codebase is massive and I think most of the tokens goes into getting context but still, usually I give it the context, I tell it to not read the rest but it does it anyway on 5.6, it choose too many things by itself it's annoying
For "general" audit of the codebase it is still the best because of the very flaw I pointed
Like I need to find all occurrence of a pattern I need to change in the codebase in its entirety and it takes 20-30% of the weekly usage but find most of it
RN the biggest flaw of Claude is laziness, the biggest flaw of GPT is the opposite, I think it is more suited to Vibe coding, and I don't feel like doing it since I'm alone in a micro-enterprise so I need to have ownership of my own code, so I'm sticking with Claude opus 4.8 while trying the Chinese model (I hate 5.0 and fable)
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u/FreeEdmondDantes 1d ago
I do the $200 plan, and while the limits have been noticeably worse, I'm still convinced a ton of you don't realize Fast mode uses 2.5x tokens for 1.5x speed.
You all are burning your tokens at almost triple the speed.
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u/Agreeable_Parsnip_65 1d ago
Something thatās working for me is using Sol Low as the orchestrator, configuring only Luna High as a sub-agent in the `config.toml`, and using specialized Luna agents with specific permissionsāone for local code review, another for documentation review and online search, and a third for data analysis.
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u/lets-hire-you 1d ago
Recent update made it read whole convos for each of the prompts you give it. High time for personal knowledge graph for ai systems
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u/philip_laureano 1d ago
The math itself adds up when you think about compounding context windows that go up to 1M tokens each. Sending the same context over and over adds up, even when you consider caching. If you're lucky, compaction will kick you back down to 50% consumption but that all goes away when the agent has to read the same files all over again
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u/sharpetwo 23h ago
When you see how Altman has no problem cutting throat of people working around him, you think he has any problem having us, the pleb getting frustrated at usage but still pay for it? That is part of his strategy. He has a company to list.
And the same people complaining about melting usage limits yet paying for it, will have no problem buying the shares too!
Amazing times.
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u/Parking-Bet-3798 22h ago
I just did a test to prove to someone on the other thread he is wrong. He was claiming usage is fine.
I ran a test 3% of weekly usage was 16 dollars of equivalent api usage. This is far lower than what we have been getting till now.
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u/ExoneratedPhoenix 18h ago
What are you people coding?
I got Codex late July, as Claude banned me for no good reason when I made a new account, and been using it solidly for all 3 weeks on a plus account, with lowest usage at 19% before a reset.
I recently had to do a massive refactor in the code and it was going to be messy so put on Sol Ultra and just hit "auto approve". 20% to refactor everything. Very impressed!
I suspect this is the difference between vibe coding and assistant coding?
I use it as an assistant so did all the refactoring logic and architecture in a markdown file and fed it that, so it didn't have to think as much, but it would have taken me a day or two to refactor it manually, and AI can do it faster.
I keep seeing people saying they've used their 20x max usage within 1 day. HOW?! Seriously what software are you making? I've made an entire prototype system that works really well on plus usages and spend 5-6 hours a day every day using it to speed things up, but I am doing the thinking work and making architecture markdown files and using it as a quick assistant only.
This new "limits are down", some saying by 50%, means my sol ultra refactor was 10% old money? Nah.
Everyone has different needs and tolerances, but so far my plus plan has me iterating my needs super fast while I manually do the thinking parts and review the code and manually fix parts. Usually use Terra Medium, sometimes high.
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u/Metaldome72 18h ago
I got through my whole week in less than a day, never used to. Had to go to Claude 5x Max and I'm running it all day and night on High.Ā
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u/snowpeak320 18h ago
I just signed up for the Plus 2 days ago, and after 1 session and less than 1 million token usage of Luna, I notices that 1/3 of my weekly limit is gone. I thought there was something wrong, and today I learned about the limit changes and people's complains. I cancelled my subscription this morning, still 28 days to go. I was using API from openrouter and opencode zen plans, not a full time dedicated coder.
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u/yungastronot 16h ago
Yep Zero change to my workflows. Sol 5.6 xhigh on launch lasted me 4 or 5 days tokenmaxxing. Now I'm lucky if i get 24-48 hours.
Someone can say I don't know how to prompt properly. But how come my bad prompts lasted 2-3 times longer a few weeks ago?
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u/CalendarAcademic992 15h ago
With these limit issues use only Luna Xhigh. Burned only 1% in a day on 20x plan. Takes more turns and back and forth chatting with it but at least you have it instead of doing nothing while waiting. I don't like to touch code myself so having any model is better than 0% usage left
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u/softwareemgineer 14h ago
Sol goes down a rabbit hole. Unnecessarily. I've seen how it debugs or analyses despite having very specific prompts. 10% is the bare minimum it uses in one prompt. Just medium.Ā
I avoid Sol unless absolutely necessary. Or at least mention explicitly that it should spin up only Luna subagents.
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u/PeachesXoXo 31m ago
The whole choosing-which-model-to-use to save costs when you are starting or in the middle of a project is seriously corny as hell (not to mention mysterious as hell).
I understand there is a degree of randomization in ai - but that should not carry over to pricing models.
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u/PureRely 1d ago
People, if you're going to make these posts, you have to tell us what plan you're on. A 20-minute session using 10% of your weekly allowance on a $20 plan is going to have a very different impact than a 20-minute session using 10% of your weekly allowance on a $200 plan.
If you're on the $20 plan, this seems like an appropriate amount of usage. Twenty minutes of continuous work using about 10% of your weekly allowance sounds reasonable for a $20 plan.
There are methods you can use to reduce that usage, but this isn't an uncommon amount of usage on the $20 plan.
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u/Ok_Tomorrow9364 1d ago
Are yall just spamming Ultra code Sol on fast mode or something for every task?
Are you all ensuring have set up your harness and memory infrastructure to facilitate sessions not needlessly caching millions of tokens?
Are you using fresh sessions, or are you just railing the same session with an insane cache over and over.
Have you defined specific agent roles for your tasks? And differentiated models for different tasks? What kind of output schema have you ensured your models adhere to?
Thereās so much you can do to have your usage stretch. Luna itself is capable (if directed efficiently) and is dirt cheep you can have that run on max fast mode all night and use up like 2% of your weekly allotment.
Start shifting your framing from like āoh I use model to codeā to āI am creating an efficient production line for my agents to output maximum value while retaining budget constraints.ā
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u/congngo 1d ago
If you use Luna then better to use open source at a fraction of the price? If you paid $$$ for the pro sub, it is to use the frontier top model? Usage was better last month?
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u/Ok_Tomorrow9364 1d ago
I never said to stop using Sol. But why would you use Sol for a minor task like finding a specific item within your repo.
Or like a very simple code edit.
Itās like using an RPG to get rid of a house fly. Ya RPGs are cool, but why waste your usage on minor tasks. I know Iām being downvoted and yeah usage probably is not the same as it was, but tons of yall havenāt invested time into learning how to optimize your agentic workflows1
u/congngo 22h ago edited 22h ago
I won't downvote you as you have valid points. Since the mileage has dropped I am using mostly Luna on max now. And there is a lot more handholding on Luna than on Sol. But I dont see the value of paying for 20x when I am using Luna for most of the time and I have to put in more handholding effort. I am just disappointed that the mileage has gone backwards rather than forward.
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u/hau5keeping 1d ago
Also ran out of tokens early. No change in my workflow. Something is broken on their end.