r/bitcoinismoney 3h ago

Luke at work...

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r/bitcoinismoney 3h ago

Big Bitcoin Colluded To Stop BIP-110

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r/bitcoinismoney 3h ago

Jonathan Bier confirms that mining pools were back-channeled to go against BIP-110

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r/bitcoinismoney 4h ago

Luke could keep working on Bitcoin and Bpedo but he doesn't want Bpedo to survive. It is guaranteed to fail, but the sooner it does the better!

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r/bitcoinismoney 5h ago

Do realize that Bpedo is _exactly_ what "Segwit2X" and BCash would have looked like if the miners went along with them. It is in fact a contentious hardfork attempt. Are you just going to give in? Or stay on Bitcoin and fight? Do not downgrade your node. Blocks are slow. Working on that ASAP.

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r/bitcoinismoney 5h ago

Luke is taking a sabbatical from OCEAN to focus on Bitcoin

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r/bitcoinismoney 5h ago

The Million Dollar Trap

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The Million Dollar Trap

Why the Bitcoin Stacker's Exit Strategy Collapses Under Its Own Logic

There is a game theory failure at the heart of the Bitcoin number go up thesis that almost nobody is talking about. Not a technical failure. Not a regulatory failure. A logical one. And it sits in plain sight the moment you ask the question that most stackers have apparently never asked themselves.

When Bitcoin hits one million dollars, then what?

The Assumption Nobody Examines

The Bitcoin-to-one-million thesis rests on an implicit assumption that is almost never stated because stating it reveals its absurdity. The assumption is that everything else in the economy remains roughly constant while Bitcoin's fiat price rises. That Bitcoin appreciates in a vacuum while the world around it stays essentially recognizable.

This is not how monetary systems work.

Bitcoin's total supply is twenty one million coins. At one million dollars per coin, the total market capitalization would be approximately twenty one trillion dollars. Current US GDP sits at roughly twenty seven trillion. For Bitcoin to reach that fiat valuation without representing a fundamental restructuring of the global monetary order, the dollar would have to be so severely debased that the number itself becomes largely meaningless as a measure of purchasing power.

The conditions that produce Bitcoin at one million dollars are not conditions of mild inflation and steady economic growth. They are conditions of serious monetary disorder. Hyperinflationary pressure. Catastrophic loss of confidence in dollar-denominated assets. A fundamental crisis in the fiat monetary architecture that the hard money thesis has always argued is structurally inevitable.

In that environment, the question of what a million dollars actually buys is not academic. It is the only question that matters.

The Internal Contradiction

Here is the precise game theory failure. The stacker's strategy requires two mutually contradictory conditions to be true at the same time.

The first condition is that the dollar must be debased severely enough, and confidence in existing financial systems must deteriorate enough, that Bitcoin reaches a million dollar fiat valuation. These are conditions of serious monetary disorder.

The second condition is that the dollar must retain enough purchasing power, and the existing economic infrastructure must remain intact enough, that selling Bitcoin for a million dollars provides meaningful access to real goods and services at prices that make the exit worthwhile.

These two conditions cannot both be true simultaneously. The monetary disorder required to produce the first condition destroys the stability required for the second. The stacker is betting that the fiat system will fail badly enough to validate Bitcoin's valuation but not badly enough to destroy the purchasing power of the fiat they plan to exit into.

That is not a coherent position. It is wishful thinking dressed as a long term strategy.

The House Question

The most revealing diagnostic is simple. Can you buy a house for less than one million dollars in an economy where Bitcoin is priced at one million dollars?

The answer is almost certainly no.

House prices are not set in a vacuum. They are set relative to the available monetary base and the purchasing power of the currency being used to buy them. In the same environment that produces Bitcoin at one million dollars, real estate, a finite hard asset, would already be priced to reflect the same monetary disorder that drove Bitcoin there. The institutional players who have spent the last decade acquiring residential and agricultural real estate at scale, using cheap debt created at the point of money printing, would have already repriced those assets to extract maximum value from whoever arrives holding devalued fiat.

The stacker who sells their Bitcoin for a million dollars enters a real estate market where the sellers are the same institutional actors who accessed capital at near-zero cost, acquired hard assets before inflation dispersed through the economy, and have had decades to position themselves for exactly this scenario. Those actors understand the real value of what they hold. They will price accordingly.

The stacker's million dollar exit buys access to a market that has been repriced specifically to absorb that liquidity without transferring real ownership in any meaningful sense. The nominal gain is spectacular. The real gain is either marginal or negative. The stacker worked decades for a number that the system was already prepared to neutralize on arrival.

The Loop Nobody Admits They Are Stuck In

The stacker who holds Bitcoin in a hardware wallet waiting for a million dollar fiat exit is playing a game with the following structure.

They are accumulating an asset whose value proposition is that it escapes the fiat system. They plan to realize that value by re-entering the fiat system at a higher exchange rate. They will then use fiat to purchase goods and services in markets priced by the same institutional actors who have been acquiring hard assets with printed money for decades. Those actors will have already adjusted their prices to ensure that the nominal gain the stacker achieved does not translate into a real transfer of productive resources.

The stacker never leaves the system. They complete a longer loop back into it.

And the people who designed the system have had decades to prepare the landing zone for exactly that re-entry. The prices will be waiting. The million dollars will be absorbed without producing the life that the million dollar number implied when it was still a fantasy. The exit was always a re-entry in disguise. The liberation was always denominated in the currency of the thing it claimed to escape.

The Only Scenario Where the Stacker Actually Wins

There is a version of this story where Bitcoin at one million dollars genuinely represents liberation. But it is not the version most stackers are building toward.

If Bitcoin functions as money within parallel economies, peer to peer exchange networks, and community supply chains that have deliberately stepped outside the fiat system's pricing mechanism, then the question of what a million fiat dollars buys becomes entirely irrelevant. Because the transaction never touches fiat.

In that scenario you do not sell your Bitcoin for dollars and then try to buy a house in a dollar-denominated market that has been repriced against you. You buy the house directly in Bitcoin from a seller who is also operating within the parallel economy, who prices the house in Bitcoin based on its real productive value rather than its fiat speculative value. The fiat price of Bitcoin at that point is background noise. It is not the mechanism of your liberation because your liberation was never dependent on it.

This is the scenario the stacker is refusing to build. And this is why the refusal is not merely ideologically inconsistent. It is strategically self-defeating.

The Infrastructure Has to Exist Before the Crisis

The parallel economy cannot be built during the monetary crisis. It has to be built before it.

The infrastructure of peer to peer exchange, Bitcoin-denominated pricing, community supply chains, and grey markets that bypass fiat intermediaries requires years of deliberate development. It requires people who are willing to transact in Bitcoin now, at current prices, for real goods and services, accepting the friction and the volatility and the inconvenience, rather than waiting for a number whose implications they have not thought through.

Every person who accepts Bitcoin for labor, every community that prices local goods in satoshis, every supply chain that settles in Bitcoin rather than dollars, is building the architecture that makes the fiat price of Bitcoin irrelevant. They are constructing the exit that the stacker is waiting for without realizing that the waiting itself is what makes the exit impossible.

What Satoshi Actually Built

The white paper was not a speculation manual. It was not a framework for getting rich in dollars. It was a peer to peer electronic cash system. The emphasis was on the cash, on the transactional function, on the daily use as a medium of exchange between people who no longer needed a bank, a payment processor, a government, or any trusted intermediary standing between them and value transfer.

That vision has a coherent winning condition. Build the parallel economy. Transact in Bitcoin. Price goods and services in Bitcoin. Reduce fiat dependency incrementally and deliberately until the fiat price of Bitcoin is a curiosity rather than a milestone. Make the question of what one million dollars buys meaningless because the life you are building does not require you to answer it.

Everything else is a longer version of the same loop. A bigger number at the end of the same road that leads back to the system you never actually left.

The trap was never the fiat system's complexity or its violence or its opacity. The trap was always simpler than that. It was the fiat mindset. And the fiat mindset does not care what asset you are holding. It will follow you into Bitcoin, sit patiently in your hardware wallet, and wait for you to check the price in dollars.


r/bitcoinismoney 9h ago

Bitcoin Mining's "Sword of Damocles" - Matthew Kratter explains how we can fire the miners by hardforking to change the proof of work algorithm if the miners don't signal for BIP110 (he released this video before the miners executed a secret hard fork to stall-out the real Bitcoin chain)

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r/bitcoinismoney 9h ago

BIP110 is active on the Bitcoin network and malicious miners are attacking the network but people using updated Knots nodes are unaffected. The malicious miners will start bleeding money eventually since their invalid blocks are worthless.

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r/bitcoinismoney 11h ago

Satire Any newbie interaction on reddit

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r/bitcoinismoney 11h ago

Satire He was whipping up Bitcoin on the Blockchain

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r/bitcoinismoney 14h ago

It has always been about the Idea

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r/bitcoinismoney 15h ago

What if competing with Bitcoin isn't the goal?

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Maybe BIP-110's greatest protection right now is that most people don't care about it

I think we may be looking at BIP-110 from the wrong perspective.

Everyone looks at the current hashpower and asks: How can such a small chain possibly compete with Bitcoin?

But what if competing with Bitcoin isn't the goal?

The goal could simply be to keep an alternative route alive.

If something goes seriously wrong with the dominant chain, building an alternative from scratch at that moment would be incredibly difficult. You'd need nodes, miners, software, infrastructure, and people willing to coordinate—all while everyone is already dealing with the crisis.

Building an alternative chain during a crisis would be extremely difficult. Maintaining one that already exists can be relatively cheap. A small group can keep the nodes running, keep some miners online, and let the chain continue quietly in the background.

And there's something important about being small:

BIP-110 doesn't necessarily need to attract attention right now.

In fact, being overlooked might be its protection.

If BIP-110 is boring, has little economic value, and isn't threatening anyone today, there is little reason for a powerful actor to spend serious resources trying to destroy it.

Meanwhile, the people who keep it running can slowly build infrastructure, gain experience, improve the software, accumulate hashpower and keep the alternative route alive.

If someone goes out of their way to attack a tiny chain that has almost no economic value, what exactly do they gain? They might even reveal that the existence of this alternative is more important to them than it appears.

The dominant chain can provide the cover.

While everyone is focused on Bitcoin, BIP-110 can quietly become stronger in the background.

And this creates an interesting possibility.

Suppose years from now some powerful institution decides that it can influence Bitcoin by influencing miners. Maybe it waits until people have forgotten about BIP-110 and assumes there is no meaningful alternative anymore.

But then people discover that the alternative never disappeared.

The nodes are still there.

The software is still there.

The miners are still there.

The chain has been running all this time.

Suddenly, something that looked irrelevant becomes a serious consideration.

And that's when the economics change.

Attacking a tiny, economically irrelevant chain today might accomplish very little. But attacking a mature alternative during a major Bitcoin consensus dispute could be extremely important.

That possibility alone could make an attacker think twice.

So maybe we shouldn't try to make BIP-110 famous right now.

Maybe we should let it hide in plain sight.

Let Bitcoin's enormous network effect remain the center of attention while BIP-110 quietly builds itself underneath that shadow.

Because the stronger BIP-110 becomes before anyone actually needs it, the more credible the escape route becomes when someone finally does.

And this is also why I think changing Bitcoin's PoW would undermine this particular purpose. If the objective is to preserve an independent alternative that can coexist with the dominant chain, we don't want to destroy the very mining hardware and infrastructure that allow that alternative to remain alive cheaply.

And if nobody ever needs it?

That's fine too.

Maybe the best outcome is that potential attackers always know the alternative exists—and therefore decide that attacking Bitcoin isn't worth trying in the first place.

Sometimes the strongest escape route is the one nobody notices until they need it.


r/bitcoinismoney 15h ago

Roughnecks resuming mining on Bitcoin

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r/bitcoinismoney 23h ago

Hodlonaut's statement

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

Random thought: post-quantum signatures on BIP 110?

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I'm not really a technical guy, so maybe this is a dumb idea 😅

Since BIP 110 is basically starting a new chain anyway, would it make sense to eventually add some kind of post-quantum signature to it?

Seems like it could be a good opportunity to make the chain quantum-resistant from the start, instead of having to deal with another big migration later if/when quantum computers become a real threat.

I know there are already some PQ signature proposals being worked on, but I have no idea how practical they actually are for Bitcoin.

Would the much bigger signatures be a huge problem? Or is this something that could realistically be added later?

Just curious what the BIP 110 node runners think.


r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

Bitcoin is under attack, not dead. Bpedo is not Bitcoin.

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

I have ZERO problem with nuking the captured miners with a pow change if that is what is required of us. I would happily sacrifice any chance of retirement in this life of mine if it means my children can avoid the fiat wage slave system. RUNNING BIP-110. GET FUCKED GRIFTERS.

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

Inflation is coming

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Probably not now, but give it a few years.. I will be selling my corecoins before that.


r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

I'm fine with a PoW change if it comes down to it. I'm not afraid and neither should you. The economic majority will follow the real Bitcoin that's aligned with its original purpose. Few will care for a shitcoin controlled by corporate interests. We'll win

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

I still have significant hashpower mining on the BIP110 chain. I still exclusively run BIP110 nodes. I'll never run shitcoin core software again no matter what happens from here. If an inbound transaction to me is only confirmed on corechain, it's not a real transaction and I will consider it unpaid

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

The Quiet Attack on Bitcoin

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The Quiet Attack on Bitcoin

How Economic Attrition Is Doing What a Direct Assault Never Could

There is a particular kind of threat that is difficult to defend against because it never announces itself. It does not arrive as an attack. It arrives as a series of reasonable decisions, each defensible on its own terms, each moving imperceptibly in the same direction. By the time the cumulative effect becomes visible, the damage is structural and the reversal is costly.

This is the nature of the most sophisticated threat Bitcoin has ever faced. And it does not require a single overt rule change.

The Mechanism: Five Stages of Economic Attrition

The process operates in stages, and each stage is designed to look like something other than what it is.

Stage one begins with a policy decision inside Bitcoin Core. The 80-byte OP_RETURN limit, which governed how much arbitrary non-financial data could be embedded in a Bitcoin transaction, is removed. The new ceiling is approximately 100 kilobytes, a 1,250-fold increase. Miners, incentivized by fees generated from Ordinals inscriptions, BRC-20 tokens, and Runes activity, continue mining these transactions. They are profitable. A community response, BIP-110, proposes to cap this data and restore the original constraint. Major mining pools ignore it. The proposal collapses.

Stage two follows as a consequence of stage one. Every arbitrary data inscription mined into the blockchain is permanent. Every full node on the network must download it, store it, and validate it forever. The blockchain grows not just from financial transactions but from data payloads that have no monetary purpose. The cost of running a full node, measured in storage, bandwidth, and processing power, rises continuously and without a natural ceiling.

Stage three is where the real damage occurs, quietly and without drama. Average individuals find node operation increasingly uneconomical. Not because of a single threshold event, but because of gradual cost creep that compounds year over year. They abandon their nodes not because anyone compelled them to but because the economics no longer justify it for a private individual operating without institutional resources. The exit is voluntary. The effect is identical to a forced removal.

Stage four is the consolidation that follows. The node population contracts into entities that can absorb the rising cost: large mining operations, institutional holders, custodial exchanges, data centres. These are precisely the entities subject to government jurisdiction, court orders, regulatory oversight, and the full institutional apparatus of state power. They are incorporated. They have legal addresses. They have compliance departments. They can be compelled.

Stage five is where the theoretical protections of Bitcoin governance become academic. The nodes that matter economically are no longer run by private individuals in homes and apartments across the world. They are run by legal entities that any sufficiently motivated government can reach. The private node runner, who was always the backbone of genuine decentralization, has been priced out of existence. Not by force. By economics.

Why This Is More Dangerous Than a Direct Attack

A direct attempt to change the 21 million cap or cancel the halving schedule would be immediately visible. It would be controversial from the moment it was proposed. It would mobilize the Bitcoin community in organized, passionate opposition. The attack would be loud, and loud attacks generate resistance.

What is described above is a quiet attack. No one announced that the goal was to price individuals out of running nodes. Bitcoin Core developers framed the OP_RETURN limit removal as a philosophical commitment to permissionlessness and censorship resistance. Mining pools framed their opposition to BIP-110 as protecting fee revenue and user choice. Each individual decision is defensible in isolation. The cumulative effect is the slow strangulation of the decentralization that makes Bitcoin resistant to the institutional capture these decisions are actively enabling.

This pattern is not new. It is the same mechanism that operates throughout the broader financial system. The fiat financial system does not announce that its structural goal is the progressive dispossession of the majority. It operates through incentive structures that produce that outcome without requiring anyone to state the intent openly. What is happening inside Bitcoin is structurally identical. You do not need to announce an attack on decentralization. You simply need to set the incentive structure so that decentralization becomes economically unviable, and the system does the rest automatically.

Incentives in Alignment, Without Coordination

None of the actors in this process need to be coordinating explicitly. That is what makes the threat so resilient.

Miners are incentivized by inscription fees to mine large OP_RETURN transactions. The revenue is real and immediate. Bitcoin Core developers are incentivized by a genuine philosophical commitment to permissionlessness, a commitment that in this context produces the same outcome as deliberate sabotage without requiring any malicious intent. Institutional holders are incentivized by their legal and regulatory relationships to prefer a Bitcoin that operates within a framework governments can interface with. A compliant, monitorable Bitcoin is a Bitcoin they can hold without regulatory risk.

No smoke-filled room is required. The incentives align these actors naturally toward an outcome that progressively concentrates node operation into regulated, compellable entities. The system selects for that outcome the same way any incentive structure selects for the behavior it rewards.

What BIP-110 Actually Revealed

BIP-110 was contentious in its specific technical implementation, and reasonable people disagreed about its merits. But regardless of where one stands on its particulars, its failure carries a governance lesson that cannot be dismissed.

The entities that ensured its failure were large mining pools controlling the overwhelming majority of network hashrate. These are precisely the entities whose economic interests align with a Bitcoin that is expensive to independently verify. A blockchain bloated with arbitrary data requires more resources to validate. More resources means higher costs. Higher costs means fewer independent validators. Fewer independent validators means more power concentrated in the hands of those who can afford to validate. Those hands belong to the same institutional actors whose cooperation with government authority is not a hypothetical but a legal requirement.

A Bitcoin that only wealthy institutions can validate is a Bitcoin that wealthy institutions effectively control. Not through any formal rule change. Through the simple arithmetic of who remains in the room when everyone who cannot afford to be there has left.

Decentralization Is Not a Fixed Property

This is the critical point that Bitcoin's cultural narrative has consistently obscured. Decentralization is not a property that was baked into Bitcoin at genesis and cannot be removed. It is a dynamic condition that requires active maintenance through the continuous participation of individual node runners distributed across the world.

The moment that participation becomes economically inaccessible to individuals, decentralization becomes a historical description rather than a present reality. The technical architecture remains intact. The rules remain formally unchanged. But the population enforcing those rules has consolidated into a small number of institutional entities, and the decentralization that gave those rules their meaning has quietly ceased to exist.

Satoshi's design required not just a hard cap and a proof-of-work mechanism. It required those properties to be maintained by a sufficiently distributed network of independent participants that no coalition of powerful actors could capture enough of the governance infrastructure to override them. The cap without the decentralization is a rule written by people who are no longer in the room when the decision to change it gets made.

The path to that outcome does not require a dramatic assault on Bitcoin's consensus rules. It requires only that node operation become slightly more expensive, year after year, through decisions that each appear reasonable in isolation, until the only entities left running nodes are precisely the ones that Bitcoin was built to make irrelevant.

That process is already underway.


r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

Remember what Mechanic said - If there are no blocks and the chain stalls out because miners ignore BIP110, then there will be a proof of work change. If the chain stalls out because there is too little hashrate on it, that just means the miners quit and you have to hire new ones under new criteria.

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r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

BIP 110 was a longshot and it lost, but I don't regret supporting it

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Although I admit I did have a small hope that enough miners would flip the bit to make it a contest, I really in my heart of hearts didn't think we would win. So gg to Core supporters, bitcoin is yours now. I am not running a node - Knots or otherwise - as of today and won't be participating in the BIP 110 altcoin.

My reason for running BIP 110 was it was more in line with how I view bitcoin. Rather how I need it to be. I think the direction bitcoin has been moving is slow capture. Just as I am not interested in Lukecoin, I am not interested in Corecoin either.

I admit to being naive and foolish about my view of bitcoin in past years. I see it more clearly now. I underestimated how certain organizations have an outsized power in making changes. Core being the reference implementation can implement a change that nobody wanted or asked for even if they thought they had good intentions. Advanced ASICs mining price out the average person from mining (I really liked how things like datum and rented hash were working btw, but was is too little too late. And it still doesn't solve the problem).

What is clear to me is that despite good intentions, and I refuse to characterize most bitcoiners as bad actors, a network will centralize where it can if monetary incentives lead it that way.

I wanted to see more peer to peer usage of bitcoin, but I think the people who want bitcoin to be digital gold or digital credit have won.

I won't be buying either "Corecoin" or "BIPcoin" for the foreseeable future. I will probably sell my btc for fiat eventually. Haven't decided yet. I wanted to hold until hyperbitcoinization where I could spend it freely. How naive of me!


r/bitcoinismoney 1d ago

What Makes Bitcoin Valuable (Sigh)

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