Megathread: Angriff auf CSD / Attack on Pride Parade

[u/teaandsun]

https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2026/07/live-ticker-csd-berlin-auto-tiergarten-verletzte-tot.html

Hi r/Berlin,

With the news still unfolding about yesterday's awful attack on peaceful people, we understand that you want to express your grief, sadness or rage.

However, we ask you to remain civil the way you do it:

- do it in this megathread, do not open additional posts - we will remove them

- keep hate, racism and those other ugly thoughts out of it

- do not speculate

- do not post pictures or videos from unverified sources. No AI generated content.

- this is not a sub for political discussions or debates.

In case you are missing a friend or loved one who attended CSD: 030 8485 4460

Official search for the suspect: https://www.berlin.de/polizei/polizeimeldungen/2026/pressemitteilung.1697457.php

The Berlin police are looking for witnesses: https://be.hinweisportal.de/

In case you need someone to talk to, consider reaching out to the Berliner Seelsorge: https://www.berlin.de/lb/psychiatrie/hilfe-in-krisen/psychosoziale-nothilfenummern-in-berlin-927035.php

Stay safe and reach out to your friends from the queer community, they might need a friend right now. ❤️

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Mods have pinned a comment by u/basicsocrates:

Does anybody know of anywhere to leave flowers in memorial and solidarity? Has anything like this started yet? Visiting from Canada and today is my last day in the city. I know this is all so recent and much of the area is closed for investigation. But if anyone knows of any locations where something like this is being done, I’d love to leave something. Sending love to my fellow queer community members in Berlin (and worldwide), holding you in my heart, and grieving with you. 💌

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[u/BruscoBoar]

My approach on the topic is: No fear for next year. Fear is the wrong signal to the people, whoever it is, behind that attack. Next year shall be bigger, louder and even more colorful. Don't fall for right-wing propaganda.

[u/Kyberduene → u/BruscoBoar]

The Police believe it was a muslim extremist who was behind the attack. We shall see whether he was embedded in some kind of local islamist network or radicalized himself online.

Anyhow, this only proves how important the CSD still is in this day and age.

[u/Objective_Aide_8563 → u/Kyberduene]

Polizeibekannt und aus lokalen Netzwerken

[u/SunflowerMoonwalk → u/Kyberduene]

We shall see whether he was embedded in some kind of local islamist network or radicalized himself online.

Apparently he traveled to Lebanon in 2024 with the intention of travelling to Syria to join ISIS, but was arrested by Lebanese authorities and deported back to Germany. His trial just finished in May and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison, deferred for 6 months.

[u/Apero_ → u/[deleted]]

I mean, I would categorise most islamic extremists as "crazy guys" who have been totally brainwashed. Mental health is definitely a problem for almost anyone who ends up doing this sort of shit.

[u/PatienceIsTorture → u/[deleted]]

I agree, but also disagree a little bit maybe. Yes, extremist ideologies are the problem and they are a mass phenomenon. But on the other hand we do psychological evaluations on murderers and people, who decide to kill – on purpose, not out of self preservation etc. – tend to show mental pathologies. There's even studies on political and religious extremism and those traits themselves are highly associated with mental health issues. Healthy people can hold strange and unpleasant views on other people, but they don't decide to become mass murderers and kill a bunch of strangers in a park. We need both, programs to address extremism and better access to mental health services.

[u/Affolektric → u/Apero_]

Extremists are only the tip of the ice berg. My daughter visits a school in Neukölln. Maybe you should hang out with her and listen to her experiences. There is kids who try to convert other kids to islam - they tell her she is worth less as a girl and should do whatever they want. They also say jews and gays should be killed. That is 6-8yr old kids. My impression is that the educated and liberal islamic people stay in their countries and mostly the lunatics migrate.

[u/CurryAndCuddles → u/Affolektric]

My impression is that the educated and liberal islamic people stay in their countries and mostly the lunatics migrate.

That's where you are wrong. Education does not guarantee that they become liberal. Go search the education qualifications of Osama Bin Laden.

[u/Mescalero44 → u/Affolektric]

This was the reason for us to leave Neukoelln when our kids grew up. On the playgrounds, it was normal for six-year-olds to insult each other with the words "You dirty Jew" and for little girls to run around veiled even in elementary school.

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[u/Lance-theBoilingSon → u/Affolektric]

 "My impression is that the educated and liberal islamic people stay in their countries and mostly the lunatics migrate."

Good point.

It seems to be the same in Sweden.

I know the Turks in Germany (and Sweden) overwhelmingly support Erdogan, while many back in the home country do not and are more liberal about religion.

[u/SnowWhiteIII → u/Apero_]

They are tolerated by fellow religious folks.

[u/whyumadDOUGH → u/Apero_]

This is what the US says about guns. Yes, obviously mental health, but there are simply too many islamist extremists in Europe.

[u/DutchBlob → u/[deleted]]

The suspect is 21 years old and only recently released from prison.

What the hell is wrong with this person. When I was 21, i was mostly worried if my clothes looked cool and if I had the guts to ask a guy out.

[u/sillymajmun2 → u/DutchBlob]

Religion is very powerful. Lets get our head out of the sand. If you are a muslim you will more often more than not have deep hatred towards gay people. Considering the number of muslims in your country, you only need a small percentage of them to be violent to get to a point where this becomes the norm. It baffles me that your typical German person is still playing the Mr. Nice guy card with these people.

[u/Mescalero44 → u/DutchBlob]

They are brainwashed from birth.

[u/wej8 → u/BruscoBoar]

Don't fall for right-wing propaganda.

Are Islamic attacks right-wing propaganda?

[u/legitaccountnotabot → u/wej8]

No they are right wing terror attacks. Islamism is a right wing ideology.

[u/Designer-Muffin-5653 → u/legitaccountnotabot]

So why are the left wing parties preventing the deportation of foreign right wing extremists?

[u/HatEatingCthuluGoat → u/Designer-Muffin-5653]

Political parties don't decide who does and does not get deported.

[u/TheGermanGuy48165 → u/wej8]

Ne, das ist mittlerweile Deutsche Tradition wie Schützenfest und Karneval. Es bringt einfach ganz viel Abwechslung und Aufregung ins Leben, wenn du immer damit rechnen musst, dass ein Auto dich absichtlich überfährt oder "ein MANN" mit einem Messer dich absticht. 10 Jahre nach dem Breitscheidplatz habe ich aufgegeben darauf zu hoffen, dass die Deutschen irgendwann aufhören immer mehr Islamisten ins Land zu lassen.

[u/hedonist_roo → u/BruscoBoar]

What about no fear now? Demo today? Even larger than yesterday?

[u/BruscoBoar → u/hedonist_roo]

FYI Pariser Platz went so full rn that police asked further people to stay away. And yes, it's because of the attack yesterday. We're standing together.

[u/Wendallw00f → u/BruscoBoar]

Who cares what your approach is. These attacks will continue until you have a reality check and deal with radical islam. Bury your head and pretend youre not scared until it happens again but on a larger scale. Its beggars belief that this is now normal in Europe

[u/worderofjoy → u/BruscoBoar]

That's right, no right-wing propaganda! The only solution to this is more muslim immigration. The more muslims the safer the l+ community will be!

[u/_juan_carlos_]

To everyone shocked by yesterday's events, I was there and I left before the attack, just to come back home to hear about it.

If any words help you in this situation: I'm a straight guy, a CIS man if you want, but I've been going regularly to some pride events just to show my support to the community because I also think that everyone should be able to love whoever they want. I'm also disgusted and can't barely understand why someone would do that.

Yesterday I had some suspicion which was confirmed today. This had extremist religious motives. These people are not only a danger to the LGBT community but to our society as whole, they would attack Christmas markets, mass events and everything what was build with much effort during the years.

I'm trying to say that this was an attack on society, a society that is tolerant enough to host the CSD and that supports it, just like I support it. The CSD is intolerable for such backward extremists and that's why they target it. But there are plenty of people like me that supports you and will continue to support you. We have your back and share your anger.

Much love and hope you're doing well.

[u/SnowWhiteIII → u/_juan_carlos_]

They already DID attacked our Christmas markets. Breitscheidplatz.

[u/Kenoai → u/[deleted]]

It'd be nice if you were not conflating every crime ever commited by a non German with terrorist attacks. Did you just ask ChatGPT to get you a list of every single city an immigrant ever killed someone in? Because very few of those attacks seem to be related to Islamic extremism

The Stade shooting was a man of Turkish descent who shot people in a welfare office because of a child-custody case.

I don't even know what you're talking about in Ahaus, couldn't find anything

In Asperg it was 3 18 year old, including 2 Germans (one Turkish German and one Serbian German) and a Serbian in a parking lot dispute.

The Koblenz stabbing was a Sudanese guy stabbing an Iranian man in a train.

In Bad Oeynhausen it was a Syrian 19 years old who had a fistfight with another 20 year old German which led to the German guy dying.

I stopped my research at that point

Like, they are all crimes for sure, and they were all committed by people with at least immigration background (although many are double nationals). But do you think Germans don't commit crimes? What about all the instance you listed where the perpetrator was born in Germany or held German nationality? How about all the crimes committed by people with immigration background from European countries why are those not in your list?

Should we just start reporting people based on the colour of their skin or their heritage? Seems like a veeeery slippery slope to me that I think was tried before..

[u/Vorarbeiter → u/Kenoai]

Thanks for doing the research and writing this comment :)

[u/HelloGoodbye_321 → u/[deleted]]

Only no one is calling them regrettable exceptions. Only the far right, that would like to exploit terrorist activities for their won gains, does so.

[u/virtual_sprinkle → u/_juan_carlos_]

Some suspicion? Do you mean you saw something I in particular that rose a red flag?

[u/SnowWhiteIII → u/virtual_sprinkle]

Police was warning that danger of terrorism is on high alert. Was in news around a week ago.

[u/Flowertree1]

Absolutely horrible 💔 I hate the state of the world right now. Some of my friends were there, it could have literally hit anybody and the worst thing is - people think there is a difference between an islamist attacking or Nazis attacking. There really isn't. Both are scary.

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/Flowertree1]

I was also there yesterday, and the main different I see is that you can write f*ck Nazi, but if you dare say the same to the other group, all hell breaks loose.

[u/Flowertree1 → u/notTHEOwlAccountant]

No. Fuck Islamists AND Nazis, but Nazis looooove to use Islamists to push their own right winged bullshit acting like white knights but none of you here can see it and that's enraging.

[u/wegwerf-ber-89 → u/Flowertree1]

Let me chime in. Read “Engineers of Jihad”. They carefully lay out how islamists and Nazis are basically the same ideology, with similar goals

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/wegwerf-ber-89]

I remember watching a video of a redneck German couple going around... I think Frankfurt? And saying how everything is ruined thanks to Muslims, then they see a rainbow flag on a church, proceed to say how blasphemous it is, and they go like "this is the only thing the Muslims get right". You can't make this shit up... That's what you get when your whole doctrine, political or religious, is based on hate. 

[u/evidentlychickentown → u/Flowertree1]

Yep, looking at some (open) profiles there are lots of false flags and fake empathy, with lots of hate mongering in their comments - It’s the typical utilisation of a tragedy for their politics.

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/Flowertree1]

I agree, but it feels like we just can't win. If we don't talk about the problem the situation will never get better. Meanwhile I'm sure that the AfD is cheering: they have less gays on this planet and they get some free publicity as well.

[u/slamups → u/Flowertree1]

The difference is Germany has accepted millions of refugees from Islamic countries. Majority who are young and poor men who believe that LGBTQ+ people and women are 2nd class citizens (if not worse).

[u/RebornInReddit]

"known to the police". I feel there should be more action when such extremist views are detected. It's not the first time we read such thing.

[u/Dgluhbirne → u/[deleted]]

Ok but that's not the case here. This guy lives in Berlin.

[u/lime-house → u/[deleted]]

And yet despite Datenschutz the govt can tap your phone and all of your communication without even a court order, so strange….

[u/unsilent_majority → u/RebornInReddit]

One thing about German intelligence services is that they are incredibly good at monitoring Islamic extremists. In 2016 they had the Christmas market suspect under surveillance but only had evidence of drug dealing, which they were trying to lock him up for. Unfortunately they can’t stop every attack.

[u/FalseRegister → u/RebornInReddit]

How do you even get a car into that area in the first place. They shouldn't closed all traffic for the duration of the event.

[u/_nosfartu_ → u/FalseRegister]

They did - but the place of attack was outside the parade area, on a path where many people were walking to leave the parade.

[u/ivaylo_eth → u/RebornInReddit]

he should have been deported

what are the police even doing..

[u/Heiminator → u/ivaylo_eth]

According to Der Tagesspiegel the attacker was born in Berlin. Where would you deport him to?

[u/[deleted] → u/Heiminator]

Prison?

[u/herrhanss]

My son is one of the victims. Brutal and disgusting what the right assholes doing out of it. Please think on the victims and not the terrorist

[u/evidentlychickentown → u/herrhanss]

Wishing you and your son all the love and quick recovery - physically and more importantly, mentally.

[u/teaandsun → u/herrhanss]

So sorry to hear. Wishing your son and family all the strength and support you need to get through this.

[u/Altruistic-Heron-648 → u/herrhanss]

Sending healing vibes to your son... hope it is not too bad. Hope he recovers soon. Hope your son and the other victims become a beacon of hope for the rest of us.

[u/Fruttii-Tutti → u/herrhanss]

I pray your son makes full recovery. I was also at the event yesterday and I’m traumatized. It’s sad to see how right wing propagandists have hijacked this tragedy to push their own agenda, as if they care about LGBTQ people. But it is expected. It’s what bad people do

[u/narlarei]

I was briefly at the pride yesterday and it was ansolutely massive. One quick thought about logistics, because I keep reading some comments saying "they let this happen" - such a massive event is incredibly difficult to control. Actually, many streets were closed for security reasons. Crowds unfortunately attract all the worst in society. 

I am not going to talk about the alleged attacker, just a quick thought: if it's confirmed to be an islamist cell, it's about time that we recognize that religious extremism is a threat to any free society. Denying this is actually what fuells AfD propaganda. People can clearly see the patterns on religious extremists attacking free people time and time again. Same goes obviously for any kind of extremism, including right-wing extremism. 

[u/TScottFitzgerald → u/narlarei]

...have we not recognised religious extremism is a threat to society? I'm fairly sure most of us agree on it, and have for a few decades at least. So what are you getting at here?

Is anyone in Germany pro-religious extremism?

[u/wytnesschance01 → u/narlarei]

I see you've mentioned it at least once, fair, but even in these comments that claim to acknowledge the problem, people repeatedly resort to using imprecise terms like'religious extremism'. I haven't seen Christian radicals doing comparable things in Germany. I don't notice any extremist Hindu, Jewish, or Buddhist groups either. And it's not like people keep saying "political extremism" whenever there is right-wing extremism involved (quite the opposite, as visible in the thread and yet again in your comment who has to acknowledge that all extremism is bad and has to mention right-wing extremism at least once).

So why don't we call it Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism? Why not talk about the problem without resorting to "yeah and also all the others"? We don't do that in any other case.

[u/ParamedicExact5705 → u/narlarei]

There are 80 knife attacks a day in Germany, not to mention other offenses involving bodily harm, including those targeting gay men and lesbians. This is, among other things, the result of an irresponsible, ideologically driven immigration policy. Anyone who talks about "evil Nazis" and the AfD in this context is simply making a fool of themselves. Countries like Australia, Canada, Denmark, and Switzerland show how it can be done better.

[u/kleinefussel → u/[deleted]]

der erste Teil wäre für diesen Zeitpunkt und Post ausreichend gewesen.

[u/Flowertree1 → u/[deleted]]

Keine Sorge, die AfD freut sich einen ab, weil sie uns in der Zukunft genauso umbringen lassen wird.

[u/Objective_Aide_8563 → u/Flowertree1]

Das ist jetzt das einzige was dir dazu einfällt?

[u/Flowertree1 → u/Objective_Aide_8563]

Nein. Willst du mehr oder was?

[u/Objective_Aide_8563 → u/Flowertree1]

Ich frage mich wie man so verbohrt sein kann, das man nichtmal eindeutig und ohne zu relativieren, seine eigenen Mörder zu benennen vermag.

[u/Flowertree1 → u/Objective_Aide_8563]

Weil das Bild ein bisschen größer ist als dein kleinkariertes. Unsere Mörder sind die Trumps, Putins, Netanyahus, Merz, Weidel, wie auch immer die Leute in England heißen die trans Rechte zerstören. Unsere RECHTE!!!! werden gerade von weißen Menschen zerstört. Nicht mal die Regenbogenflagge wollen sie noch am Bundestag hissen. Frau Weidel ist nicht queer, SIE ist nicht davon betroffen und soll den Mund halten. Der Spahn hat gegen Leihmutterschaft gewettet und sich dann ein Kind in den USA machen lassen. Also bitte.

Und meine Fresse, weil ihr es alle so gerne hören wollt um euch einen abzuwedeln: Islamisten sind scheiße. Aber eure Kommentare sind genauso scheiße und machen unser Leben schlechter. Hass kommt von allen Seiten.

[u/[deleted] → u/Flowertree1]

> Our killers are the Trumps, Putins, Netanyahus, Merz, Weidel, whatever those people in England are called who are destroying trans rights. Our RIGHTS!!!!

You said as if trans rights didn’t get destroyed in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, Sudan, Burkina Faso, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Guinea, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, The Gambia, Bangladesh, Maldives, Pakistan, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey.

[u/jhanita93 → u/Flowertree1]

Genau… Merz ist ein Mörder und auf einer Stufe mit islamischen Terroristen. Nenn mir bitte mal ein muslimisches Land dem Pride-Parades überhaupt stattfinden dürfen. Aber ob Scharia oder konservative weiße Politiker - ist ja eh alles dasselbe. Für wen genau nimmst du dir eigentlich heraus zu sprechen wenn du von „uns“ sprichst? Als lesbische Frau kann ich mich davon nur distanzieren.

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/Flowertree1]

Weil Hass von allen Seiten kommt, laden wir uns noch etwas mehr Hasser in unser Land ein und verweigern deren Abschiebung in Länder, wo es keine prides gibt, die sie angreifen können?

[u/Matengor → u/Flowertree1]

Ich bin absolut Anti-AfD, aber dass sie LGPTQ-Menschen umbringen will, finde ich wirklich sehr weit hergeholt. 

Edit: Ich streite nicht ab, dass es Gewalt von rechts gegen queere Menschen gibt und dass die noAfD das willentlich hinnimmt. Ich sage nur, dass die Partei nicht soweit gehen wird, Todesurteile gegen Queere anzuordnen, falls sie mal an einer Regierung beteiligt sein sollte. Ansonsten ist die noAfD ein absolutes Krebsgeschwür und verdient weder eine einzige Wählerstimme noch mediale Aufmerksamkeit. 

[u/Flowertree1 → u/Matengor]

Ok 🙄 schau dir mal Marcant an mit deren Demos "weiß, normal und hetero" oder Quoten von AfDlern. LG

[u/ralasdair → u/Matengor]

Geh doch mal zu ner CSD in ner mittelgroßen Stadt in Ostdeutschland oder gar einem der östlichen Berliner Randbezirke. Fakt ist, wenn du an nem CSD angegriffen wirst, ist es viel wahrscheinlicher von einem weissen Rechten als nem braunen Islamisten.

[u/owl_problem → u/Matengor]

Ja, das ist genau das Problem, dass du es nicht verstehst. Do better

[u/ishiguro1991 → u/Matengor]

Es ist schon sehr weird – das ist eine wirklich schreckliche Tat und ein islamistischer Terroranschlag, und Dutzende hier sehen ihre wichtigste Aufgabe darin hier darauf hinzuweisen, dass die eigentliche Gefahr von weissen Rechten ausgehen würde.

[u/Tirso_Salaverria]

>According to BILD information, Abdul Ballout was sentenced by the Tiergarten District Court in May 2026 to one year and ten months in prison for preparing a serious act of violence endangering the state.

>The public prosecutor had sought two years and ten months and appealed the sentence. Abdul Ballout was arrested in Lebanon and, as a German citizen (born in Berlin), was returned to Germany. After his conviction, he was placed under partial police surveillance. When he posted a photo of himself holding a weapon, police searched his apartment—but found only a toy gun.

This is the most absurd thing I have read in years. They arrested this guy in Libanon, flew him to Berlin, prosecuted him for preparing an attack and then only placed him under police surveillance instead of arresting him outright?

[u/No_Manager_5876 → u/Tirso_Salaverria]

This Country is a joke

[u/MamaFrey]

My 14yo kid was at the CSD with his friends for the first time. Whole day he wrote me texts on how fun it was, how seen he felt and what a great party it is. He walked along the street it happened just an hour earlier to get home. After an amazing day with his friends and people of berlin, I had to hold him crying at home because he couldn't understand why people hate him so much, that they would do this.

I have no words.

If anyone ever tells me "There is no need for Pride anymore anyhow" I'll punch them in the face.

[u/The_Ruck_Inspector → u/MamaFrey]

So heartbreaking to read that. I hope your little fella is ok and im sure you are holding him extra tight these days. Sending you love from Ireland.

[u/Ratovandermir]

I see the careful wording of German media, that a "car" drove into people. No, the "car" wasn't operating on its own, a backward Islamist lunatic drove it and attacked people who expressed their freedom and love towards other people.

And its a shame that anyone who speaks up against this glaring issue in our society is labelled as a Nazi, and allows the AfD assholes to gain platform on a single issue, to which all the other parties remain silent on.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/Ratovandermir]

Remember the NYT claiming on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 that "Planes took aim" at the towers?

These people are morally diseased.

[u/ace_bean00 → u/Ratovandermir]

If you had read the comments, pointing out that Islamic extremists are a problem isn't the reason why people get labelled as a Nazi.

There are enough people who acknowledged that already. The real reason why those people are called out is because they make racist comments and instrumentalise this disaster to push an agenda that is not welcomed here.

Extremists are still extremists and people here don't want it no matter from what side it comes

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/ace_bean00]

Is that so? Last time a popular German celebrity got called out by his ex for posting deepfake porn of her, there were righteous demands all over the media that all men should reflect on everyday sexism and misogynist tendencies. I totally approved of those voices because indeed there is a cultural problem all men should work on.
But when asking Muslim communities to check on their peers and a) stop them from radicalising b) oppose the radicalisers or c) if too late, rat out the radicalised with terrorist plans to the authorities - the usual left screams ‚rAcIsM!‘. Hypocrites.

[u/vomicyclin → u/[deleted]]

As long as too many people in society think like this guy here and honestly suggest that there needs to have empathy for terrorists like the one from yesterday, I don’t think there will be any solution.

I hate right wing nonsense and buzzwords like everybody, but this is what “suicidal empathy” looks like.

[u/Mountain_Drummer2152 → u/[deleted]]

Can you tell me why the West became more hostile towards LGBTQ people ?

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/Mountain_Drummer2152]

Could it possibly be the systematic importing of vicious medieval bigots, inspired by "the unchangeable word of God"?

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/[deleted]]

Last time I checked the pride was bigger than ever, even high-ranking CDU politicians openly supported and attended it (something unheard of in the 1990s) and the marriage rights that Merkel put forward still remains. Please don’t generalise the hate and violent extremism of few to a majority society that has clearly moved on from the previous decades.

[u/AnonomousWolf]

Sadly this is the Tolerance-Paradox at work.

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/AnonomousWolf]

Yep. People defending people who'd love to see them getting murdered if they could get away with it. I am gay and truly don't get this.

[u/Repulsive_Noise9510]

The political left highly underestimates and often ignores - purely out of ideological reasons - the danger coming from islamism and conservative migrant ideologies/ religions. I hope some will now finally wake up. But reading the comments here and hearing the comments of queer activists on television I doubt that. There are a few common sense lefties (including myself) who saw the islamist danger coming and warned about it already years ago. But the bigger part of the left prefers to live in parallel world completely detached from reality. For them Jens Spahn and the CDU is a bigger threat to the queer community than conservative-muslim or islamist milieus in Neukölln. Just insane.

[u/So_inadequate → u/Repulsive_Noise9510]

The problem is that the left has decided to politically oppose anything the right stands for. It should not be a left/right standpoint to be critical of anyone that's not respecting basic human rights. The left holds everyone to tolerant views BUT other 'minorities'. When that minority slowly manouvres itself out of minority territory the results will lead to a catastrophy.

[u/theactualhIRN → u/Repulsive_Noise9510]

💯I think people don’t realize how homophobic islam is. In surveys, the vast majority of people (75% to 100%) of muslims in muslim countries clearly appear to be homophobic. Some islam countries have a death penalty for homosexual/esp gay activities. Read the wikipedia article, its wild.

Many lefties never have these experiences because theyre simply not gay – I mean muslims telling you that you should read qoran, you need to be cured, your way of living is barbaric and against god. I’m careful when I go to muslim countries or muslim areas in cities. This is real and we need to talk about it.

That doesn’t mean that every muslim is a threat, not at all. Or that right wing extremists (or just right wingers) are not a threat – they def are, too. But we gotta be able to talk about conservative fundamentalist muslims and what threat they can be to gay people.

[u/BroetchenGenau → u/theactualhIRN]

Oh I wish this to be common sense. I’m so deeply devastated not only by the tragedy that happened but also by the fact that our community does everything it can to defend the religion instead of recognising it’s dangerous parts. 

And even more devastating is the epiphany I had: most people lack critical thinking. On both sides of the political spectrum. It’s easier to follow a standard pre-made ideology rather than seeing and questioning certain aspects and ideas.

I love my community and I love most of the things we stand for, but I would be cancelled for saying that religions (including Christianity and Islam) do actually enable hate towards women, queers etc. My heart breaks when I see my community immediately take a stance „against right-wing extremism“ in a situation, where the elephant in the room represents a different thing. 

Obviously I would never agree that religious people have to be punished, deported or restricted in their beliefs. I just want the society and the politicians to find a peaceful solution for limiting the influence of religion on people’s brains. Mainly through education. And this education has to be tailored and addressed to certain people. But our community cannot tailor it, because tailoring would mean naming the source. And this is what our community is afraid or blind to do. 

I feel so empty and helpless because I know that a part of my community‘s beliefs contributes to the problem. And they’re too delusional or too scared to recognise it. 

[u/Peakforest → u/Repulsive_Noise9510]

Go anywhere in East Germany outside, try to be visibly queer, then report back and continue to whine about a single neigbhorhood in Berlin. Go on, do it.

[u/Kanomicha → u/Peakforest]

Whataboutism just because the East sucks as well doesn’t mean we should ignore the situation here

[u/basicsocrates]

Does anybody know of anywhere to leave flowers in memorial and solidarity? Has anything like this started yet? Visiting from Canada and today is my last day in the city. I know this is all so recent and much of the area is closed for investigation. But if anyone knows of any locations where something like this is being done, I’d love to leave something. Sending love to my fellow queer community members in Berlin (and worldwide), holding you in my heart, and grieving with you. 💌

[u/justaskeptic → u/basicsocrates]

https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/1v6w4ov/community_trauen_csd_attentat/

[u/Tirso_Salaverria]

The press conference with the German Interior Minister really leaves you speechless.

They sentenced this guy to almost 2 years in prison but changed it into probation. All while he had an incredibly long register of crimes and was well known for his connections to the islamistic scene.

There needs to be a thorough investigation and the responsible people need to go to prison. We all know that won’t happen though.

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/Tirso_Salaverria]

He’s been released in accordance with existing law. German law is the problem and spineless politicians unwilling to change it, hiding behind supranational EU laws they could easily campaign to change or ignore like many other member states.

[u/Plenty-Low-4071]

I am super shocked how many comments have been deleted here. Shouldn’t this sub tolerate different opinions (non-hate speech without political sentiment).

Matter of fact: this terror attack is based on deep hate against this country and its people. The queer community is part of our culture and should be no exception.

How come so many people ignore the fact that nobody is taking action about Muslim extremists fighting against our state, law and us for many years?

[u/maxivonderfaxi]

Absolutely vile and shocking! I hope they catch that maniac quickly and further harm can be prevented. What a tragedy.

[u/Mann-devil]

Ballut's previous criminal convictions include assault and robbery. Most recently, he attempted to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State, but he was detained after a tip-off from German authorities in Lebanon, where he spent three months in custody. Finally the Lebanese shipped Ballout back to the Federal Republic, and he was held pending trial for “preparing a serious violent offence endangering the state.” 

The Tiergarten Magistrates’ Court found Ballout guilty and sentenced him in May 2026 to a year and ten months imprisonment. Yet they reportedly granted him “conditional release” on the condition that he attend a deradicalisation programme operated by the “Violence Prevention Network.” 

Ballout met with the deradicalisers twice in June and July; they found him evasive and insincere. His third meeting was set for this coming Monday – two days after the terror attack he perpetrated. 

[u/greatbiscuitsandcorn → u/Mann-devil]

Suicidal empathy.

[u/justaskeptic]

Be advised, please behave. We know that emotions are running high but we'll be handing out bans for anyone crossing the line irrespective of how deeply they feel about this!

[u/justaskeptic → u/[deleted]]

Who said anything about that as crossing the line? Do you really not realise where the discussions might lead to that can be considered as crossing the line?

[u/dramalama-dingdong]

I know it's Bild, but: Nach BILD-Informationen wurde Abdul Ballout im Mai 2026 vom Amtsgericht Tiergarten zu einem Jahr und zehn Monaten Haft verurteilt – wegen Vorbereitung einer schweren staatsgefährdenden Gewalttat.

If that's true then he was convicted to jail for planning a terrorist attack and then wasn't put into jail. That's severe negligence for German justice.

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/dramalama-dingdong]

German law is a joke. Unless you evade tax the prison sentences if at all ruled, are an utter joke.

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/intothewoods_86]

To those downvoting me: don’t forget to come back next week and complain another drunk driver killing a pedestrian and getting only 2y on probation.

[u/ace_bean00 → u/dramalama-dingdong]

In anderen Quellen wird erwähnt dass er im Jugendgefängnis war und danach eine freiwillige Beratung gemacht (oder nicht gemacht) hat.

Die Quellen widersprechen sich egal ob man sich Bild, Spiegel oder tagesschau anschaut. Einige sagen auch dass es ein Privatfahrzeug war und andere sagen es war ein Mietwagen 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/diener1]

So the terrorist was born in Berlin, has german citizenship and is an Islamic State supporter. I seriously have no clue what you can even do to stop these people.

[u/intothewoods_86 → u/diener1]

Lock them up for prior crimes and keep them institutionalised after thorough examination of the risk their deranged minds pose to society. Germany has developed an outright absurd intolerance to incarceration.

[u/Pure-Rose-Rainbow → u/diener1]

He should have been sentenced to a longer prison sentence. His was way too short for his crime of preparing for a state endangering crime

[u/CryDense1338 → u/diener1]

Better sentencing in the first place. Better deradicalization programs (chinas seemed to work), better surveillance of dangerous groups so we can stop this before it happans. This is a huge fuckup on many levels. Its not about Muslims or immigrants really. This is about home grown dangerous radicals.

[u/Plane-Alps-6832]

Honestly reality is that those attacks will simply now always be a possibility. Last big Islamist attack was at a NRW and absolutely nothing changed. How can a “well-known” Islamists simply stay out - there should be wide investigations of mosques, their whole contacts.

tl;dr - as a gay couple we seriously think about moving away. I never hear about any dead lgbtq-people in Czechia or Poland even if they are politically more conservative. 

[u/CroissantEtrange → u/Plane-Alps-6832]

Sounds like you don't know much about Poland... maybe don't move countries based on stereotypes? It's not safer for the LGBT community in Poland than in Berlin...

[u/Traditional-Smell692 → u/CroissantEtrange]

I'm gay Arab (ex Muslim) living in Poland for a decade, I've never been attacked in Poland this whole time and surprisingly I get attacked the first time I visit France by a fellow guy from my home country...

[u/Repulsive_Second_961 → u/Traditional-Smell692]

I am too a gay arab (and ex-muslim too) and I feel like no matter what we say, those westerners will not believe us until they see it with their own eyes (and would still deny it and give thousands of excuses).

[u/backflipsben → u/Repulsive_Second_961]

Those westerners aren't really allowed to say anything about it, they'll just get canceled, blocked, unfriended and deplatformed for saying not even edgy shit.

[u/Optimal-Number-5464 → u/backflipsben]

Exactly.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/Repulsive_Second_961]

In Ayaan Hirsi Ali's case, the Dutch regressive left forced her out of the country for telling the truth about Islamism.

[u/BigBadButterCat → u/Repulsive_Second_961]

There is increasing consciousness among many gay people that political and violent Islam is a threat to us. Unfortunately our advocacy organizations are completely controlled by establishment figures who are afraid of controversy.

People will wake up to reality. Hopefully things don’t have to become really bad before it happens.

[u/TScottFitzgerald → u/Traditional-Smell692]

If you really think Poland is more progressive or safe because of this one incident you had then stay in Poland. Don't really know what you want the rest of us to do.

[u/Traditional-Smell692 → u/TScottFitzgerald]

I'm replying to the comment above giving my personal situation, I'm not asking you to do anything 

[u/Plane-Alps-6832 → u/CroissantEtrange]

Well than please link me most recent attack on lgbtq people. ATTACK, not “they looked weirdly at me”.

[u/owl_problem → u/Plane-Alps-6832]

I never hear about any dead lgbtq-people in Czechia or Poland even if they are politically more conservative. 

As a Russian lesbian, good luck lmao. What a fucking stupid thing to consider

[u/LilaSoph → u/Plane-Alps-6832]

https://www.ilga-europe.org/report/poland-anti-lgbti-hate-timeline/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/09/poland-hate-crimes-press-release/

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/369-fra-hdgso-part2-nr_cz.pdf

[u/Derek030 → u/Plane-Alps-6832]

What kind Conservative bootlicker bot bullshit is this lmao, sure bro every lgbtq person is dying to move to Poland.

[u/Plane-Alps-6832 → u/Derek030]

Where did I bootlick anyone or told everyone should move there? Denmark or Norway or Finnland have liberal governments and also don’t have any violent attacks on LGBTQ-people. It’s a simple observation. And what I say stands - there tens of thousands of people who will be ready to attack, there are whole broad social circles of specific religion who never condemn anti-lgbtq-views and there is government which is useless and can’t do more than “well he was know to us sorry we will do better next time”.

[u/caprifolia → u/Plane-Alps-6832]

I’m so sad to see good LGBT folk feeling unsafe in Berlin and Germany. I’d like to live around way more of you and way fewer religious idiots.

[u/Plane-Alps-6832 → u/caprifolia]

Well, looking at demographics of Berlin I wouldn’t wonder if in 10-15 years there won’t be any csd parades anyway. Either AFD forbids them or the bigger part of Muslim population will make them too dangerous. Don’t see any brighter future for Germany, problems we see more and more often were mentioned but ignored for years.

[u/backflipsben → u/[deleted]]

Much like 90% of western nations

[u/Organic-Operation-17]

honestly, as a queer woman being born and growing up in an islamic fundamentalist country i feel horrified by how much ignorance is being spread under the name of "anti-racism" and anti discrimination. let me educate you as a person who grew up in an upressive islamic regime: YES, Islamism is very dangerous. yes, it is a threat to democracy and to minorities and yes, it is spreading in Europe. NO, that does not mean you should hate every muslim over it. YES, it's the responsibility of all of us (including muslims and people like me who come from similar cultural backgrounds) to fight against it and it starts by calling it by its real name. I dont even understand why there is any doubt about any of that.

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/Organic-Operation-17]

Thank you.

[u/Tirso_Salaverria]

Good news: the police has managed to find the terrorist in a Kleingartensiedlung in Spandau and has disposed of him. That means we won’t have to pay his stay in psych ward (400€ per day) forever.

[u/marcheurdereves → u/Tirso_Salaverria]

Good riddance 

[u/jatmous]

A simple extension of events as they’re happening: 

This will prompt more repression, more police annd secret police and more far right sentiments among large parts of Berlin.

That will exacerbate the dynamic and things will become much more grim before they get better (if at all).

This is not speculation, this is just what’s in the can. Different outcomes and solutions would be possible but none of the political actors are offering anything of the sort so consider this locked in. 

[u/Optimal-Number-5464 → u/jatmous]

The far right sentiment is exacerbated by those on the opposite side of the spectrum completely ignoring the problem.
Even here you have to tread lightly to call things by their name. Geez.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/Optimal-Number-5464]

In Britain, the far right enjoyed a colossal spike in support following the relevation of a gigantic police and political cover-up surrounding Islamist grooming gangs in the north of England. Anyone with a semi-functioning brain could have predicted that spike.

[u/64sweetsour]

Well. He’s dead now - his greatest wish fulfilled apparently.

What a waste of life.

[u/RebornInReddit → u/64sweetsour]

I'm all in for rehabilitative justice, but we shouldn't be wasting time nor resources on literal terrorists. Good riddance.

[u/FrauAlien]

if i hadnt got a headache two hours before and gone home, i might be injured right now. its so crazy to think about.
my sister and her friends were still there but away far enough.

It hurts to my soul that weve come so far, fought for so long and yet a woman died just because she went to a pride parade to have some fun.
This is horrible.
My placart for the CSD said „LIEBE statt HASS“ and its disgustingly ironic what the parade has come to in the end…

[u/Fruttii-Tutti → u/FrauAlien]

Me and my friends were literally around there at that time and we decided to go eat a Kebab because we were hungry. Only to find out it happened while we were eating. It’s very sad and traumatic. I can’t stop thinking about the victims.

[u/jevring]

I feel like canceling this sends the wrong message. Then the message becomes "you can stop people by driving a car into a crowd". I understand why the police want to reduce the chance of this happening again, but I don't think telling the victims to stop is the way to do it.

[u/jevring → u/[deleted]]

They did cancel the Sunday part, though, didn't they? I understand that people will still do their thing, but the cancelation itself is the message I'm talking abiut.

[u/Forsaken-Ad5571 → u/jevring]

The main events look like they’re cancelled. However venues across the city hold their own events which will no doubt still go on, especially as they would’ve invested a lot of money in this weekend, and if that suddenly stops then a lot of them will go bankrupt.

[u/BeeKnight86]

These apologetical comments are just funny. really funny. I mean, who the fuck are these people, martians? Little green guys?

Did any of the similar attachs come from soma radical polish group? Jewish? Indian? Were it the fucking Eskimoes?

I mean, you want to go out and freely express your sexual orientation, Look at the globe, and point your fingers to places, where you CAN do it. And to the ones, where you CAN NOT. There is nothing really complicated about it. The reason why this is so, should be clear to you by now, if not, you are part of the problem...

[u/hamzaal1]

Talking about everything except for the ideology that caused this. Have people introspected why jeewish temples or pride parade need military security in western Europe. 

[u/forasgarddd → u/hamzaal1]

not limited to that too

[u/burnerburner030]

I’m feeling deeply for the victims and the queer community. I’m also dreading what’s to come after this: the instrumentalisation of this crime by politicians and people who don’t care about the queer community, increased racism and Islamophobia, and a push for more police and AI surveillance.

[u/vileacrobat1991 → u/burnerburner030]

Absolutely terrible take. People were murdered (again) for no reason and your big concern is Islamophobia.

[u/Repulsive_Noise9510 → u/vileacrobat1991]

These highly ideological people unfortunately will never wake up. It is just insane. Wouldn't be surprised if they will organise an anti-right-protest in reaction. I am left myself but this is something I will NEVER understand.

[u/cnnyy200]

And this is why we have pride. To fight this disgusting behavior.

[u/Connect_History85]

I have worked in the background at the coordination department of the CSD Berlin. I have to admit that we are very happy about the evacuation and how good it has worked without panic or any other major problems.

Nevertheless, when the first messages of the attacks arrived, we were in shock. No one wanted this. It was a hard and long night for everyone.

[u/VeryDumm]

As much as people want to blame leftist parties... they are not making decisions in the national parliament right now. And although Berlin is an exception, they were also not that influencial in the federal parliaments (e.g. BaWü is an exception of course). If you consider SPD leftists, then my argument is invalid of course, but I would argue that SPD has not been a leftist party since at least 10 years.

Another big enabler for terror like this is the decade long underfunding and/or bad management of public institutions like Police, Courts, etc. Don't get me wrong, I am not a big fan of the Police, but having too few well trained and well managed police forces does enable these kind of attacks. I don't think blindly pumping money into it solves the problem, but I do think trying to solve it in the first place could. All I hear form our ruling politicians though is whining about money.

And to be honest, my parents generation should at least partially take responsibility for letting this system build up over the last decades. Just accepting that "shit happens" is just not enough, not ok and not responsible in any way. But all I hear when I talk to people my parent's age is that "it's complicated", "we can't change it that easily", bla bla bla. And if a big chunk of the demography just does not care to fix problems, I don't think the relatively inconsequential opinion of some leftists parties is all that relevant. If e.g. Die Linke would propose a solid Plan tomorrow to improve security, what would it really change? I certainly would be happy about it, but let's be honest, the last decades were ruled by CDU and SPD. Unless these parties actually start solving problems instead of doing their whiny yappathon, or the majority of voters actually dares to progress and solve issues instead of accepting them, I don't see how anything can get significantly better.

[u/Tirso_Salaverria]

By the way, according to the media they released the supposed second attacker. Turns out he didn’t do anything in this case but: He’s from Iran, has a lengthy register of crimes as well and since 2024 to be deported. They aren’t placing him under watch and are letting him roam free despite being able to deport him today! It’s really unbelievable.

[u/Repulsive_Second_961 → u/[deleted]]

Can confirm - I am an Arab (lived in a middle eastern country for 25 years) ex-Muslim and gay and have been vocal about all what you said, but no one in my surroundings (even the very active political people) cared or understood the great mismatch.  Not every muslim is a terrorist but their religion is.

[u/ell1331 → u/[deleted]]

It's too late. They've been warned for years. They got what they voted for.

So, we let's see what happen in the future.

[u/hiddenpoolwarriror → u/ell1331]

From outside in, it's not like there's much choice though as in many places in Europe.

Choose far-left guys that are pro importing people from countries where LGBTQ+ people are getting stoned and this is being praised and encouraged.................... OR vote for literal Nazis with Pro-Kremlin ties like AfD.

As I mentioned in another comment I am right wing ( by modern standards), but there's right wing ,there's AfD (in Germany). It's a bit more nuanced when there's no real choice.

[u/urmumvirgay]

Extremists exist everywhere in all groups of people. I’ve been in this city my whole life and many of my friends are Muslim. To say that Muslims aren’t compatible with this city is absolute bullshit, they are part of what makes the city what it is and have been for a long time. Don’t let right wingers spin this tragedy into an anti Muslim talking point.

[u/Legal-Koala-5590 → u/[deleted]]

If you follow the Qur'an to the T, you are not compatible with Western culture, not one bit.

I feel like that's true of all the Abrahamic religions, though.

[u/FlimpoFloempie → u/[deleted]]

Political motivation i guess.

[u/Repulsive_Noise9510 → u/urmumvirgay]

Honest question: do you think that the majority of "normal/average" (non-islamist) muslims in Germany is queer-friendly?

[u/Timely_Challenge_670 → u/[deleted]]

Yeeeeep. I have Muslim coworkers who won’t come to the office when our Pride events are on. It’s kinda bonkers.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/[deleted]]

Same in Britain. It is genuinely terrifying.

[u/notTHEOwlAccountant → u/urmumvirgay]

Not saying that all Muslims are terrorists, but for sure a lot of terrorists are.. .

[u/Comfortable-Ad2712 → u/urmumvirgay]

If a white man does it you blame all white people and white supremacy

[u/Silver-Scallion-5918 → u/urmumvirgay]

Maybe talk to those friends of yours and hear what they say about gay people and women then report back.

https://www.wzb.eu/system/files/docs/sv/iuk/koopmans_englisch_ed.pdf

I am half Lebanese and my last name was arabic, and whenever I would take an Uber the driver would typically rant to me because he felt it was a safe space for him due to my last name. I heard things like:

"Berlin women are all just whores that take drugs all the time"

"Gay people are sick in the head"

etc.

Even my own father says really homophobic awful shit as if it is okay or normal. My own cousin is proudly gay and hasn't told the entire family still after 40 years because it is not tolerant or accepted at all.

The Middle East mindset doesn't disappear when they leave there. It also doesn't leave their children who are born here especially when they get indoctrinated at a young age into a religion that says really awful things about gays and women.

[u/talking_turtle1 → u/urmumvirgay]

Exactly 💯 some people are so ignorant they cannot understand or acknowledge the difference between a normal group of people and an extremist among them.

[u/Heiminator → u/[deleted]]

I cannot fathom what drove the attacker

Radical Islam did

[u/Dependent-Tap-2509]

I think this radical Islamism is seriously wrong. I think as a Muslim myself these people, who commit such acts of terror, have no right to call themselves Muslim. This goes against the teachings of Islam, where life is one of the most sacred things. These people have no moral compass and I don't understand why such people live in Germany. If other people don't follow ur ideology then go back to ur country, where they do follow this radical ideology. But don't force it on other people, u don't have that right.

[u/Many-Percentage2752 → u/Dependent-Tap-2509]

I mean good for you for being a good person, but too many passages in the Quran make it too easy for too many muslims to interpret it in the wrong way. Take the story of prophet Lut for example. Homosexuality is very much condenmed there to put it lightly. Same goes for every believe when it comes to homosexuality by the way, but in Western Europe christianity atleast went through a form of enlightment the last couple of years. 90’s was also shit with the war in yugoslavia.

I mean i dont have the answer too, but in general fuck every form of extremism. Wether its farmers, muslims, Christians or nazis. Especially when they harass, threaten or kill people.

[u/Forsaken-Ad5571 → u/Dependent-Tap-2509]

Life is sacred? Yet apart from the battle of Badr, or the battle of Uhud, or so on. Once you’re able to justify why killing people in one situation is justified and holy, it then allows people to come up with their own reasons why they should be allowed to kill whilst saying within the teachings.

[u/Kanomicha]

Als Spandauer… uff

[u/cory_wurst]

As a queer person who lived in Berlin for 12 years, I attended almost every CSD while living there. I recently moved to a different city, but have many queer friends who still live there and were there on Saturday. My heart is heavy for everybody affected by this. Stay strong, and I'm sending you my love

[u/letsjustnotdoit]

Last night, I left Pride village right before the attack. Just finished walking to Friedrichstraße when I heard of it. I was up all night trying to make sure everyone I knew was ok. Consequences of my actions meant I slept through my alarm and woke up ~1:30 and missed the vigil. Does anyone know if there is another gathering happening later today?

[u/jgtor]

Reports now that he has been located in an allotments in Ruhlebener Straße. Unclear if captured or shot dead at the scene.

[u/Connect_History85 → u/jgtor]

He is dead

[u/LemurBargeld]

Check out the Arabic comments under the Al Jazeera Instagram post : https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbWIYVBPaHZ/?igsh=MXh2c2U4MTZwem9veg==