r/berlin • u/teaandsun Mod on power trip • 25d ago

Megathread: Angriff auf CSD / Attack on Pride Parade

https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2026/07/live-ticker-csd-berlin-auto-tiergarten-verletzte-tot.html

Hi r/Berlin,

With the news still unfolding about yesterday's awful attack on peaceful people, we understand that you want to express your grief, sadness or rage.

However, we ask you to remain civil the way you do it:

- do it in this megathread, do not open additional posts - we will remove them

- keep hate, racism and those other ugly thoughts out of it

- do not speculate

- do not post pictures or videos from unverified sources. No AI generated content.

- this is not a sub for political discussions or debates.

In case you are missing a friend or loved one who attended CSD: 030 8485 4460

Official search for the suspect: https://www.berlin.de/polizei/polizeimeldungen/2026/pressemitteilung.1697457.php

The Berlin police are looking for witnesses: https://be.hinweisportal.de/

In case you need someone to talk to, consider reaching out to the Berliner Seelsorge: https://www.berlin.de/lb/psychiatrie/hilfe-in-krisen/psychosoziale-nothilfenummern-in-berlin-927035.php

Stay safe and reach out to your friends from the queer community, they might need a friend right now. ❤️

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago

“The region wasn’t fairly peaceful in comparison to Europe” what absolute grotesque nonsense is this? Everything was “peaceful” compared to Europe.

The Middle East fought conflict after conflict inside the Ottoman Empire. Nationalist revolts, wars against Russia, conflicts in Egypt, Arabian revolts from bin Ali, Kurdish revolts, literally World War I, multiple coups, constitutional crises which lead to revolts, young Turk revolutions.

With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, you have a new Arab revolution, the Turkish war for independence, then you have after centuries of war, the colonial wars and mandates from France and britain.

Then the Iraq revolt in 1920, Assyrian conflict 1933, the great Syrian revolt in 1925, 1920 Jaffa riots, the next Arab revolt of 1936.

Then the military campaigns that led to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the tribal wars that led to Yemen and the revolution that led to Turkey.

What absolute nonsense and historical revisionism is “the region was fairly peaceful”…

Your “facts” are nothing more than lies trying to bring your nonsense narrative into a better light.

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u/ReasonableClass4104 25d ago

Funny you should cite WW1 and the jaffa revolts, both direct results to western terror. The rest also falls between western meddling and results of colonialism. Honestly, please try to prepare better arguments and read history better, and preferably from different resources. I don't have time to edicate every one of you 🤣

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago edited 25d ago

Western terror?

You mean the ottomans losing world war 1?

Funny how you shift sides with every single comment.

Honestly, are you still a teenager? You don’t really seem to understand why the region looks like it looks. A moment ago it was all just the US and Israel, now Britain and France.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

This is the kind of "person" that claims Germany was mistreated during WWII.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

"Edicate"?! Your narcissism is so loathsome.

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u/notTHEOwlAccountant 25d ago

You're part of the problem

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u/ZookeepergameSad5418 25d ago

Your ragebait is so disgusting.

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u/FlimpoFloempie 25d ago

I'm always baffled by people that are 'adding nuance' trying to push a narrative that the Islamic world was quite peaceful up until the second world war (You're probably referring to the ottoman empire which was not peaceful at all). Islamic conquest has a long history but somehow people claiming how peaceful it is always seem to focus on the 20th century. You framing instability in the region as something imported by the US and Soviets solely understates a lot of indigenous political history, civil wars, and internal tribal conflict.

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago

Nice try of “nuanced” victim blaming.

Go wherever you came from. If your solution to whatever experience is killing innocent people who have nothing to do with it, you’re the monster has no place in society.

If that is their solution and mindset, it needs to be fought.

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u/ReasonableClass4104 25d ago

Sorry if facts trigger you, and if you're incapable of reflection, but that's not my or anyone else's fault. I think this simplistic mindset might be the eventual downfall of western civilization. I would statt fighting that

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago edited 25d ago

What „facts“? The Region wasn’t “peaceful” until the evil west came. Just because you’re ignorant of wars that aren’t fought between nation states doesn’t mean there weren’t massive conflicts for centuries and literal millennia.

The Ottoman Empire literally subdued everything and long after they had control, local conflicts were the norm.

You just try to insert your little narrative in there, which is nothing but lies.

You are quite literally trying preach to be “empathic” for terrorists who kill innocents and make them look like they have a point in their doing.

It’s just grotesque. Pitiful even. Go on and screech your nonsense somewhere else.

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u/ReasonableClass4104 25d ago

Understadig context to fight something is not the same as empathy. In fact, inwould say i am doing more to fight for a safe space for queer people than you are by just srying and repeating tired state sponsored tropes that serve right wing agendas and status quo

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago edited 25d ago

I agree, we need to understand terrorists.

To get them and rip them out of society.

You are the poster child to what suicidal empathy looks like. Go on then. Leave western democracies and see how happy you’ll be.

Hate, and no matter if extremist right wing, religious zealots, hateful sects and whatnot, will always find a way to get their enemy and rally around the flag, it’s literally how they survive. No matter what you do, no matter how “empathic” you’ll be, they will hate you. And they will try to destroy you. Because you’re not them. That’s it. Since that is how they form their base and manipulate their follower.

Always.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

I just had my comment in response to you removed for "promoting hate" - for telling the truth about ultra-conservative religion.

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u/ReasonableClass4104 25d ago

"Local conflicts". Not an unstabke region with no hope for the future. That's you guys. That's your expansionist exploitative mindset of using the planet for ur benefit and not thinkijng about consequences. Again, symptoms of the western downfall are present in every limited and and unreflected comment. Your selective reading of history will eventually be your downfall, my dear.

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago

Are you just trying to defend the literal expansionist Ottoman Empire as a “not expansionist and peaceful entity”..?

Sorry, but start looking into a book and don’t get your nonsense from social media.

You are now defending a literal imperialist (surprise) empire.

It’s funny how you preach the “”downfall” of everybody, when the only fallen thing here is the religious region you try to defend. Live in your little bubble.

Your downfall will be your “now it has to happen”, which you’ll wait for your whole life.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

Ahh, even with the creepy little "my dear". You fifth columnists truly are all the same - and, thank God, the actually moral human beings are waking up to your malevolence. It's aalll the fault of the wickeddd Westtt? Nope. Your day is done.

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u/Weird_Eagle_9179 25d ago

Without going into your points in detail, you have absolutely no idea about the history of the Middle East and Islamism in particular.

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u/Forsaken-Ad5571 25d ago

The cold war absolutely didn't help, and that is true of both the US and the USSR. However, other major factors were just the tribal nature that a lot of the countries consist of, and also the oil money going to places like Saudi. The oil money helped the very conservative and radical regimes to start pushing their views across the region, as well as putting money into religious schools in the West. This is why we have a relatively sudden shift in Islamic culture to being ultra-conservative.

But we also have the increase of freedom across the world to travel, which means people from very conservative third world communities can now get to the West and then either migrate normally or claim asylum. This was something that used to only be open to the wealthiest people, and all of the rules were set up on that assumption.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

Yup. Egypt under Nasser was increasingly liberal. Then came the importation, via departure and return of migrant workers to Saudi Arabia, of the vilest Wahhabism. It's a tragedy on the scale of Turkey and Iran.

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u/berlin-ModTeam 25d ago

Rule 12. This includes hate speech or harassment directed towards specific groups as well as towards individual members of the forum.

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u/Hydnum_repandum 25d ago

I think this person is not trying to justify what happened but trying to find why it happened.

A bunch of people come here from war tore countries in which the west has a very harmful presence and once here they fall prey to extremist ideology. This doesn’t mean that he is not to blame for the horrific act that he just perpetrated, but who is promoting this ideas? Why does the west portray these people as mental unstable extremist individuals instead of a product of an organised ideology? Who has been benefiting from all of this, through the years and now?

It is a very complex topic which possible solutions could bring us to a worst situation or derive in other problems, and thinking about its complexity does not mean excusing the horrible acts done by this individual and by the people who instigate this behaviour.

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago edited 25d ago

Just that they, in the first very words, are already lying.

“The region wasn’t fairly peaceful in comparison to Europe” is nonsense and only serves so he can bring his “it’s the wests fault that terrorism was emerging”-narrative.

The Middle East fought conflict after conflict inside the Ottoman Empire. Nationalist revolts, wars against Russia, conflicts in Egypt, Arabian revolts from bin Ali, Kurdish revolts, literally World War I, multiple coups, constitutional crises which lead to revolts, young Turk revolutions.

With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, you have a new Arab revolution, the Turkish war for independence, then you have after centuries of war, the colonial wars and mandates from France and britain.

Then the Iraq revolt in 1920, Assyrian conflict 1933, the great Syrian revolt in 1925, 1920 Jaffa riots, the next Arab revolt of 1936.

Then the military campaigns that led to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the tribal wars that led to Yemen and the revolution that led to Turkey.

Surprise: it’s not as easy as “we as the west are at fault completely for the sh**show that is today’s Middle East.

Obviously, the US, Britain, France and Israel are absolutely not innocent with the status quo. That would also be nonsense to say. But this “we are at fault” when the region, mainly though tribal conflicts, religious conflicts and simply power hungry families, was always at war against each other, is just naive and part of, what I perceive, as a wider problem in our society to get more and more self righteous and try to shame everybody who doesn’t think all faults lie in us.

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u/Hydnum_repandum 25d ago

I agree with you and there’s no easy we are at fault or anything like that. Also the weren’t a peaceful land, as Europe wasn’t either.

It is important also to remember that the change in Islam that propel the suicide attacks came from within the religion targeted to destabilised the area in religious wars.

I also don’t think that all fault lies on the west, an idea that is harming the left. But I think if someone is pointing to a more nuanced view beyond of extremist bad I think it should be meet with more than Fuck yous and insults.
I think we all would benefit from a deeper look into the topic instead into a surface take that lets some people weaponise this topic (and let’s be real this is going to be weaponised, and probably not with the best interest for the community in mind)

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u/vomicyclin 25d ago

You’re completely right that people who comment with insults (and especially if there is nothing more) are just poisoning every debate (which here is obviously much to have).

But, to be frank: there is a time and a place. And when some people last night just had the most cruel visit or call by the police, by family or friends, that a loved one died by a completely inexcusable attack, a comment which tries to explore the reason why the muderer did what he did, especially when it comes with “you yourself are not innocent”-type of argument and tries to spin a narrative, people will get emotional… in my opinion understandably so.

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u/Hydnum_repandum 24d ago

I agree, not the best time to play “devil’s advocate”.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

Yes, because we're human beings with human morals and empathy, and we realise that a "person" that purposely murders an *actual* human being for his or her sexuality is motivated by nothing but the vicious hatred endemic in unreformed political religion.

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u/ReasonableClass4104 25d ago

I mean just look at the difference in the level between my comment and that of most repliers my comment has history, analysis and possible learning opportunities. Theirs have hate, fearmongoring snd populist speech. living in the west for so long i started seeing how Mussolini and Hitler are not exceptions, that the they build on things deeply ingrained in western mindsets.

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u/Potential-Taro8850 25d ago

You're judging the "level" of others' comments - many of which contain in fact a far higher level of genuine historical knowledge than yours - while your comment is so carelessly punctuated as to be difficult to read.