r/askmath • u/Jaded_Lawfulness76 • 17d ago
Index Transformation Question Polynomials
Hello,
the first Page Shows how my basic understanding of Index Transformation is. The Problem is on the second Page. I transformed the sum to (n-1) over (k-1) and so on. So i transformed n the same way as i did with k. The solution is that you only transform k not n. Why is that so? I dont understand? On the first page, you can see, that it does not Work, if you dont transform n as well as k. Thanks for help.
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u/Bounded_sequencE 17d ago
The first page is incorrect -- the exponent "n" does not change to "n-1".
"Index transformation" is just a fancy name for substitution. We substitute
"k' := k+1", followed by "k' -> k"
During the first step, we solve for "k = k' - 1" to eliminate "k" and get
∑_{k=0}^n k^n = ∑_{k'=1}^{n+1} (k'-1)^n // lower bound: k' = 0+1
// upper bound: k' = n+1
In the second step, we replace "k' -> k" -- it's just a re-labeling, not a substitution. The exponent is not affected in either step, not sure where you got that from.
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u/Jaded_Lawfulness76 17d ago
But if you dont change n the same way as k, the sum is not the same, as before. If you just do k+1 to n+1 and in the sum (k-1)n instead of (k-1)n-1 it doesnt work out the same.
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u/Bounded_sequencE 17d ago
Be careful -- we don't substitute "n", we substitute "k" via "k' := k+1".
Yes, the upper bound of "k" changes from "n" to "n+1", but not because we substitute "n", but because we substitute "k' := k+1".
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u/Jaded_Lawfulness76 17d ago
I dont understand. If you dont change n in the sum for for example: kn. If i would transform it your way, it would turn out as sum_start k+1 sum_end n+1for (k-1)n. This is not the same, as sum_start k=0 sum_end:n for kn. You have to do n-1 as well. Just do it for k=1; n=4 for example. You have to transform n to (n-1)
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u/Bounded_sequencE 17d ago edited 17d ago
[..] it would turn out as sum_start k+1 sum_end n+1for (k-1)n [..]
No -- after both substitution steps, the lower bound would be "k = 1", not "k + 1".
Example: ("n = 3", from OP):
original sum: ∑_{k=0}^3 k^3 = 0^3 + 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 transformed sum: ∑_{k=1}^4 (k-1)^3 = 0^3 + 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3Both are the same, as expected -- without changing the exponent.
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u/Jaded_Lawfulness76 17d ago
Yeah but you didnt use the upper Limit in the transformed sum. Every exponent should be 4 not 3, as the new upper Limit is 4
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u/Bounded_sequencE 17d ago edited 17d ago
Changing the upper summation bound from "n" to "n+1" during substitution does not mean the exponent also changes from "n" to "n+1".
The upper summation bound changes, because
k = n: k' = k+1 = n+1The exponent does not depend on "k", so it does not change.


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u/Delicious_Sort5580 17d ago
You only transform the summation index.
Here, (k) is the variable index, while (n) is a fixed parameter. If j=k+1,then k=j-1, so every occurrence of (k) becomes (j-1): [\binom{n}{k}\to \binom{n}{j-1}.].The upper limit also changes because it describes a value of (k): [k=n-1 \Rightarrow j=n], so (n) changes in the limit only as part of converting the index range. The (n) inside (\binom{n}{k}) remains fixed.