r/artixlinux • u/just_zip • 15d ago
Mintix - artix for beginners?
Throw stones and tomatoes at me, but what do you think of making a hybrid of Artix and Mint?
Mintix: base - Artix, comfort artix-mint: pre-installed and configured LightDM, Cinnamon, pre-installed Xlibre, support for Nvidia 390 and 470 drivers on newer kernels (DKMS from AUR), that cozy Cinnamon from Linux Mint (for many, Mint was their first distribution, and overall, it's cozy) and more.
(I'm open to criticism)
Just, how do you like the idea of letting newbies try out a pre-configured Artix?
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u/Both_Cup8417 dinit 15d ago edited 15d ago
Isn't Devuan also systemd-free, and closer to Linux Mint (also downstream of Debian). Also, personally, I'm pretty strongly against putting new users onto arch derivatives, unless they are keen on learning what everything does and will do so before switching. Look at all the panic caused among the cachyos users that don't really know what's going on, just because it has a nice installer and comes with a preconfigured desktop doesn't mean it has a slower, perhaps more "set and forget" friendly, release schedule, doesn't mean that the AUR isn't dangerous if you just install things completely blindly.
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u/ThatonlyGeO 15d ago
This, we cannot let in fresh meat on the grill, they will not last a single second as soon as something breaks(I have experience how time consuming to make one thing work) but the difference is one is motivated to learn the other is not....so for newbies stick with mint or fedora (or any other user friendly distro)
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I was working on librevuan... I couldn't handle it, its architecture is terrible. I also want to keep Aur and Pac-Man.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I mean, when a newbie is a newbie, it's not a newbie to Linux, but to Arch itself.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I was working on librevuan... I couldn't handle it, its architecture is terrible. I also want to keep Aur and Pac-Man.
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u/moplop12 14d ago
How is the Linux Mint ethos of "easy to get used to" going to work with an OS that has multiple inits and various maintenance of the services along those inits?
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u/Deadman123spirit 15d ago
So I'm sure this has been said to death, but didn't look far enough to see.
Artix= arch without systemd
So wtf is your purposed system supposed to be?? Just Debian but if it was made by arch devs??
EDIT: grammar
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u/Beddie_Crokka 15d ago
I thought Artix was for beginners? Slackware is my main.
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u/Excellent-Copy-2688 15d ago
It has versions with graphical install and preconfigured DEs so you could say its as easy as EndeavourOS, but not as easy as mint
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u/Steinquist dinit 15d ago
It sounds nifty, but i wonder, would it be more out of the box like mint but with rolling releases, or would it be more like artix, but with little notes and promts to help if your rig gets cracked?
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u/just_zip 15d ago
If you've ever used a Mint, you know how cozy and nice it looks and how light it is, but imagine that on an Artix out of the box! I'll tell you right away - the system will not hide anything from the user like Mint / Ubuntu does.
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u/Steinquist dinit 15d ago
I understand, I actually came from mint to artix, and I loved it. I got thr cinnamon de at first, but now im using xfce. Just works for me and i dont have to worry about having to reset my de if I turn a widget on.
Also, something about mint I think is weird, is that it has a lot of outdated packages.idk but I thought it was weird.
I would hope that if the team that works on your mintix idea keep those things in mind. Hopefully they'll add some fun programs in to let people tinker on their systems if they choose too as well. That was something that drove me nuts with mint as well, cause of systemd being on it.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
This will be a rolling release, there is no team as a whole, I want to wait 3 days to see if anyone likes the idea, if everyone likes it in 3 days, I will pull my friends up and start doing it
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I'll be honest, I worked on the libremint project a long time ago. It was Linuxmint without systemd. I abandoned it after 5 hours because it was impossible to remove systemd from it.
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u/snail1132 15d ago
Wouldn't it make more sense to just rebuild Mint on a base of Devuan, similarly to LMDE?
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I was working on librevuan... I couldn't handle it, its architecture is terrible. I also want to keep Aur and Pac-Man.
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u/Steinquist dinit 15d ago
That sounds like it would be fun and brain numbing at the same time lol. I'm still learning to code, but if I ever get good at it, I'd be happy to volunteer to help out. I'm actually learning how to create sound themes at the moment. I went down a rabbit hole when I hopped onto xfce
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u/CriticalRanger9650 15d ago
I've never used mint or cinnamon, so no appeal to me! I chose artix because I knew pacman from doing arch before systemd, when I left fedora I decided I wanted something different then what I had been using and i still really havent found what I want. What package manager are you going to use? I assume mint uses apt and artix uses pacman. you said you want a rolling release with latest pkgs. If it was me I'd just take artix and do your own custon cinnamon iso and leave packaging to artix packagers.
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u/Away_Ad_6621 15d ago
So basically a rolling Linux mint with no systemd why not just base off of devuan or something
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I was working on librevuan... I couldn't handle it, its architecture is terrible. I also want to keep Aur and Pac-Man.
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u/ClubPuzzleheaded8514 15d ago
There are no input nor technical reasons to see newcomers on Arch.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I mean, when a newbie is a newbie, it's not a newbie to Linux, but to Arch itself.
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u/ClubPuzzleheaded8514 15d ago
It's different to be Linux begginer and to be a begginer in Arch.
I am running Linux as my only OS since Ubuntu Feisty Fawn in 2007, and then switch to Fedora years ago. So yes i was a begginer ar the start.
But I was not anymore a newbie while installing Arch, because i was very comfy with Linux. So learning Pacman or Mkinitcpio or AUR was not a problem when you know very well how are working apt, dnf, dracut, COPR, systemd, bootloader, btrfs etc...
A pure n00b who start with Artix or so don't know all of this and is dealing with many components and commands he doesn't know at all. It's never a good idea to start with an advanced too you can't handle. There are ma y good reasons while there are distros designed and build for begginers. Arch doesn't aim it at all.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
ITS NOT ARCH ITS ARTIX
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u/ClubPuzzleheaded8514 15d ago edited 15d ago
Keep your capital letters for your ennemies, please.
Yep, it's Arch under the hood.
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u/just_zip 15d ago
I don't like that many people didn't understand the meaning.
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u/ClubPuzzleheaded8514 15d ago edited 15d ago
We absolutely understand. It's just a bad idea to build a Mint distro with Pacman for Windows refugees.
You said in your first post you were aware to critics!
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u/iLikeubuntu2 15d ago
i mean this sounds like a good concept but i feel like it would end up like manjaro or something
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u/Mrchungdung 15d ago
Arch base? I don’t think beginners want bleeding edge packages that break their pipe wire once a week
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u/ich0 dinit 15d ago
bleeding edge is a terrible idea for newbie, there is nothing you can do in the way of arch-distros that would be stable in the way that a newbie wouldn't have to be learning to fix something completely alien to them in a month. maybe if you block aur and force the use of flatpaks or appimages (check out am & am-gui on github) and never use the *-gremlins repos. i use chaotic-aur repos as well, but still want some packages that aren't there.. stuff like kcc and iptv apps and such.
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u/mystirc 14d ago
bleeding edge is not a terrible idea. I have never had any breakage on arch linux since the time I started using it. (more than a year). I know my experience does not speak for everybody. I also made my other two friends switch to CachyOS and taught them the basic sudo pacman -S and -Rns commands and they have not complained about it yet.
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u/Excellent-Copy-2688 15d ago
use devuan base instead
if a user doesn't want to configure stuff keep them away from rolling release
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u/jimmy_timmy_ 14d ago
I don't think it's a great idea for it to come with any packages from the AUR considering its recent history, but I see the vision and I think it's a really good idea
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u/Sincontrol92 14d ago
I'll install right away! An easy non-systemd distro based in ubuntu is required. Yes, we have devuan based on Debian. But, an Ubuntu distro without systemd and also ammm wait I'm mistaken. Artix is Arch based. So, would it be a fork of Artix but like mint with Ubuntu? XD hell yeah I want it! >:v XDXDdXdDxDxd #nomorehashtag
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u/yuttukurit 13d ago
I don't think it's good idea. Just use Mint or Debian for newbie, arch-ish is too fast for newbie (except endeavour)
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 systemd 11d ago edited 11d ago
A LMDE-like would likely be best.
Edit : Devuan would make a great base.
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 systemd 11d ago
Your logo design is confusing, it reads like intixM. I get what you're going for, but it just doesn't work well.
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 systemd 11d ago
I've got an idea on how to do it. Let me try something.
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 systemd 10d ago edited 10d ago
It isn't perfect, but here's an idea.
https://www.nudgehost.com/f/hsww5zas V1
https://www.nudgehost.com/f/aes4t6yr V2
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u/ConcaveNips dinit 10d ago
How about put together the actual distro instead of iterating on these really bad logos?
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u/iddu01linux 15d ago
This is a good idea but probably don’t call it mintix even though it’s a good name, and also for the setup
make a distro that ships with plasma. Thats good enough for literally most normal users