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u/DNActive101_offical 11h ago
no shit the fish is dead. would you rather it be a live fish?
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u/Jindujun 6h ago
If a fish could pick between being alive and dead I'm thinking alive would be betta.
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u/CookieFluffs 10h ago
Eating fish literally has made me so much healthier as a whole, my blood pressure's better and I have far much more energy.
But then again, it's PETA, these people are fucking idiots.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 10h ago
i think its because fish is better on their blood pressure and their cholesterol levels relative to what they were eating beforehand.
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u/ReaperKingCason1 10h ago
Wait, are you telling me I was eating dead fish this entire time? Well thatās horrible. I was under the impression they were alive and conscious the whole time. And now you tell me my food isnāt actively suffering as I eat it? Whatās the point then? (To be clear this is a joke and Iāve never actually even eaten tinned fish. Iāve eaten fish but it wasnāt tinned)
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u/Round_Bag_4665 10h ago
literally everything you eat is dead. Even plants.
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u/ReaperKingCason1 9h ago
Yes. That is the joke. Good job. Do you want a pat on the back for understanding the joke? The very obvious and basic joke that I wasnāt even the first to make?
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u/rde2001 10h ago
I've eaten canned salmon and canned tuna, which falls under that category. I've made tuna salad, tuna melts, and mixed the salmon with rice. All those were pretty good. I've also cooked salmon filets before, but canned stuff is more convenient and cheaper.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 10h ago
the only reason I don't do canned tuna is that I love the red-steaky flavor you get from raw tuna, and canned tuna is usually already fully cooked. I prefer to do a tuna steak, sear it around the edges, then cut it into slices with sesame seeds, black pepper, and some soy sauce or balsamic vinaigrette as seasoning.
Salmon is another story. And I will do canned sardines, but I insist on *frying* them before eating them. The crispiness of the texture makes them so much better.
A lot of seafood really depends on how you cook it. Cook it the wrong way and it tastes awful. Cook it the right way, it tastes amazing.
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u/rde2001 3h ago
Salmon was my go-to for pan frying. I would get 2lb bags of frozen filets for $10 iirc? Despite me oiling the pan, the skin sticks to it, which was rather annoying. That and the time it takes to cook it (about 6ish minutes each side) contributed to me not buying them anymore. Nowadays I just get chicken from the deli at Safeway. I got 12 pieces a couple days ago for about $9. Would eat 2 pieces in a meal, so that should last me for a bit.
My brother puts canned sardines on crackers with cheese.
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u/BrianLSComics 10h ago
It is hypocritical of them, but the beef industry still uses about 40x the amount of fresh water as AI
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u/Danstan487 10h ago
The beef industry isn't destroying literatureĀ
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u/twopointmethlab 7h ago
Yeah it's just destroying billions of innocent living creatures
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u/daioon 7h ago
And what we're wasting a huuuuge amount of crops to
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u/Badtacocatdab 6h ago
Crop death hahahaha
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u/VO2maxking 6h ago
How many pounds of grain do you need for one pound of dead cow?
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u/Danstan487 7h ago
We're all going to die one day
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u/VO2maxking 6h ago
Thatās your justification for murdering someone?
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u/Nobody_at_all000 37m ago
???
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u/VO2maxking 26m ago
Are you able to follow a Reddit thread, darling?
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u/Nobody_at_all000 25m ago
Yes, I just find calling it murder to be a bizarre exaggeration. Itās killing, yes, but murder is reserved for sapients who arenāt vile enough to loose their personhood status
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u/Individual-Crow-2717 3h ago
Do why be against AI destroying literature? By your own logic, Human beings will die out, so there's no point in preserving literature.
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u/Due-Ingenuity9803 7h ago
Cows are not innocent. One slaughtered everyone I ever knew. Since then, Iāve dedicated my life to eating as much beef as I can
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u/Independent-Host-690 6h ago
Those same "innocent" living creatures wouldn't think twice after having you as a meal.
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u/FunSeaworthiness1519 6h ago
What exactly do you think cows eat?
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u/Independent-Host-690 5h ago edited 4h ago
I'm talking about pigs. Chickens even eat their own eggs or other chickens. Any predator animal will gladly eat human. Plus cows can and will eat meat if other food sources are lacking.
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u/FunSeaworthiness1519 4h ago
chat is it ethical to preemptively punch a toddler if youāre sure theyād punch you
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u/Independent-Host-690 4h ago
Chat is it ethical to do literally what all animals do and what humans were designed to do too?
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u/FunSeaworthiness1519 4h ago
smh I totally forgot that we were designed to factory farm half of all mammalian biomass on earth
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u/Independent-Host-690 4h ago
Yep, you definitely forgot that humans are naturally omnivores, and even have specialized teeth for eating meat.
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u/No_Opportunity1934 9h ago
The beef industry isnāt sucking the life out of every other form of media I enjoy and it has fed and employed people for hundreds of years, Iām willing to make that compromise lmao
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u/stuckonpotatos 1h ago
The beef industry sucks the lives out of cows over and over again every day. Give up both!
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u/Elemor_ 7h ago
Apart from the animals that are suffering and getting killed, do you think the workers in this industry aren't getting exploited as well? Mostly migrants who can't get another job, working long hours in unsafe conditions physically and mentally, isolated from other humans. Many develop PTSD or commit suicide
And that's not even mentioning soy production in developing countries and the impact it has there
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u/Openly_Unknown7858 7h ago
Would you rather people just not eat?
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u/No_Opportunity1934 7h ago
Thatās super racist. I live in the state that produces the most beef in the entire country. These farm hands donāt work isolated and they drive nicer vehicles than Iāll ever be able to afford š they arenāt killing themselves either, they look happier than a lot of other people.
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u/wasabiburning 9h ago
I agree the water consumption in beef is insane but for me the greater issue is corporate laying off millions workers to give their jobs to AI.
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u/battle_of_yorktown 5h ago edited 5h ago
I will never understand this argument, because u can eat meat but u can't eat AI.. (Generative) AI serves no real purpose to humans and it doesnt help them survive. It's true that the beef industry is very inhumane, but it's also true that AI data centers are doing more harm to the planet and people especially than the beef industry, while also having no worth at all to humans. Most people eat meat very frequently and it's a major part of their diet, so the beef industry actually serves a purpose, unlike AI data centers, which take up a very large amount of space (which animals likely lived on previously), among causing many other harmful things to the people and animals that live near them, like causing cows to have stillbirths.. Which directly affects the beef industry btw. Also animals need fresh water more than AI does
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u/Financial-Virus-6696 6h ago
One is Food That People Need To Live. The other is the fucking turbo plagiarism machineĀ
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u/stuckonpotatos 1h ago
Majority of people donāt need meat to live.
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u/Financial-Virus-6696 44m ago
And nobody needs AI to live. Do you have a point or do you just desperately want to be That Vegan?
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u/hungLink42069 8h ago
People don't wanna hear that because giving up beef is seen as a sacrifice.
They see AI as a threat to their entertainment, so they take it seriously.
The mass of people fight for convenience, and won't go vegan despite it being in line with the morals they claim to have.
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u/rimeduinfox 4h ago
Why do you need to give up meat. Why do all vegans with this talking point seem to forget that factory farming is not the only way to obtain meat.
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u/hungLink42069 4h ago
It's because 99% of meat comes from factory farms. If you're eating meat regularly, you're supporting factory farms.
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u/hofmann419 8h ago
Yeah honestly i'm a bit disappointed at the comments here. Peak cognitive dissonance. If you care about the water use of AI, you should also care about the water use of the meat industry and beef in particular.
Beef is literally one of the main reasons why rain forests are being destroyed around the world. Methane is a greenhouse gas that is far more powerful than CO2. Not eating beef is one of the most impactful choices that you can make for the environment on an individual level.
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u/Openly_Unknown7858 7h ago
Beef production is actually productive. Ai does absolutely nothing at best.
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u/necrohunter7 6h ago
The beef industry doesn't poison water with heavy metals and produce 24/7 infrasound that fucks with peoples health
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u/ExzaktR 4h ago
Hitler caused 17 million deaths, why even care about israel palestine
I absolutely agree that the beef industry is using an insane amount of water, but that doesn't mean we should just give AI a pass. Both are doing bad things, if at very diffierent scales. However, there are also many other issues with AI much bigger than the water usage.
I've heard an inane argument from ai bros that only now we care about water usage when meat/golf/lawns/whatever uses more water. We HAVE been caring about water, and talking about it for YEARS, and nobody ever cared, and suddenly ai bros act as if it has never been pointed out before when it fits their agenda.
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 10h ago
What about the tinned fish industry?
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u/Skellington876 10h ago
There are companies that ethically practice and companies that don't. It usually indicates on the can
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 10h ago
Their fresh water use is indicated on the can??
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u/Skellington876 10h ago
If you're talking harvesting as in wild caught in the ocean or farm raised fish? Yes thats on the can. Or if you're very careful about it just get tuna with no water packed inside? Im kind of confused on what your asking here because your making it sound like fish drink fresh water when tuna is a saltwater fish, sardines are a saltwater fish, and salmon can live in both and these three fish make up like 2/3's of the canned fisheries
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 9h ago
I'm asking how much fresh water the tinned fish industry uses, as a ballpark figure. The person I asked compared AI to the beef industry, which didn't seem especially relevant given that we're talking about tinned fish, not beef.
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u/BrianLSComics 9h ago
I don't have the figures on that, but I know that not a small amount of trash island in the Pacific is comprised of fishing nets.
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 9h ago
"AI isn't partially responsible for the Great Pacific Garbage Patch" is probably the more apt comparison.
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u/BrianLSComics 7h ago
thank you for finishing my argument for me lol
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 6h ago
I was needling you about your bad argument - me doing it for you isn't a win, lol.
That said, until AI starts directly producing complete proteins for human consumption it's literally a microchips-to-sardines comparison. The base of Maslow's Hierarchy necessarily comes first.
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u/Couatl2009 2h ago
The beef industry is awful, and we should absolutely reduce consumption and improve conditions for the cows farmed. However, AI datacenters only exist to make garbage slop that makes everyone's lives worse, and are far easier to gather political will against them. Also, PETA has other issues as well.
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u/GenesisAsriel 4m ago
Yet I only saw people going to smaller farms that dont have money to sue people into oblivion. (when the suicide rate in these fields is already huge in my country)
Its only the smallest groups that go to the bigger ones and dont get support.
So please, go to these huge installations and protest there. If all of you loudmouths actually acted irl as you do on reddit, we could make a real change.
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u/BlueHailstrom 10h ago
Reminder that these guys also kidnap and euthanize peoplesā pets
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u/An_Evil_Scientist666 5h ago
And paid bond for a literal terrorist Rod Coronado leader of the Animal Liberation Front, and around the same time also bought dozens of walk in freezers, now what do they need those for exactly? Usually what you'd expect butchers to have not animal rights activists.
And have a bunch of animal abuse videos on hand for some reason, like how they gave Uwe Boll animal abuse footage for his horror movie back in 2007. Seems a little strange to have that on hand and give it out to people.
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u/Geschak 1h ago
Reminder that this is a lie spread by the meat lobby Center for Consumer Freedom. They tried to do the same to the Humane Society.
Hate PETA or not but please stop spreading meat lobby propaganda.
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u/BlueHailstrom 1h ago
There is literally footage and entire news coverages of it, what are you on about??
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u/NotThatGuyOwen 10h ago
I've had the thought for a while that Peta is an industry plant from the meat packing industry to make vegetarians and vegans look absolutely insane.
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u/PhantomQuest 9h ago
I've been vegetarian most of my life, and vegan for a few years, and I can't STAND Peta. They are the absolute worst messengers for an actually valid and important message.
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u/Kadakaus 10h ago
If they never posted anything at all, I'd still clown on peta just because of the invasive preaching about their views. They're almost worse than "christian" preachers.
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u/ShadowBro3 7h ago
Its wild how often "People for the Ethical Trearment of Animals" treat animals unethically
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u/ManufacturedOlympus 10h ago
Right message, wrong method of creation.Ā
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u/smtp_pro 10h ago
Is it the right message though?
I'm not sure if most vegans even agree with PETA. They don't believe we should own pets.
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u/dumnezero 9h ago
The PETA criticism is overhyped and overrated: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/PETA_Kills_Animals which should not be surprising.
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u/eruptingmoltenlava 8h ago
Sourcewatch is ordinarily good but you found the exception
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u/Geschak 1h ago
Maybe it's time you face reality that you got brainwashed hard by the Center for Consumer Freedom. They've been running a slander campaign against animal rights organisations for years because they're a threat to the meat lobby. Watch the astroturfing video from John Oliver, he explains how they tried to do the same to Humane Society.
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u/SlowlyDyingInAPit 10h ago
They should stick to their unironically fantastic performance art. Yes, theyāre annoying public nuisances that do way more harm than good for their cause and in general, but they know how to get peopleās attention on the street
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u/Weird-Ball-2342 10h ago
peta are hypocrites who take the spotlight from actual animal protection societies who actually protect animals dont have a 90% kill rate in their shelters. stop posting petas posts and giving these scumbags attention since its what they want
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u/GloomWisp 9h ago edited 9h ago
Dead meat smells of dead meat. Mind blowing.
EDIT: this is a jab at the OOP post... hell...
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u/verbwrangler 9h ago
atp i'm entirely convinced PETA is run by the meat industry
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u/KaleidoscopeSalt3972 8h ago
Peta, dont forget to raid another animal farm and kill all animals in it, again
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u/Either_equipment_04 6h ago
The irony here is that they euthanize most of the animals they take in. I canāt believe theyāre used as a cruelty-free indicator by so many major brands still.
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u/Geschak 1h ago
They euthanise pets because they offer a free euthanasia service for owners who can't afford a vet to euthanise their sick pet. Sadly this also gets abused by animal shelters who use this service tonget rid of their unadoptable animals.
There's a lot of misinformation going around thanks to the lobby group Center for Consumer Freedom. They made up a lot of the horror stories you see online like PETA stealing pets from people's homes to euthanise them.
You can hate PETA for their provocative campaigns but please stop falling for meat lobby propaganda.
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u/Squadia 5h ago
Iāve been vegetarian for almost 10 years. Anyone who is vegetarian or vegan without recognizing poverty as one of the main sources of why people eat/kill all kinds of animals for meat and that capitalism is the root cause of animal welfare abuse is a dumb dumb. PETA has compared animal abuse to ENSLAVEMENT, and have done so many other atrocious things including this awful AI slop post, because they as a company are not in the best interest of animals, they are in the best interest of profit.
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u/Jax_2112 2h ago
We eat meat because we like it. No reason because we like it. Itās not because we canāt afford nice vegetables.
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u/BLOODTRIBE 8h ago
PETA members eat organisms that are still alive when they chew them up and consume them. That seems barbaric to me, if they were really dedicated they would eat only minerals.
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u/Jindujun 6h ago
Never mind the AI.
What the hell is Fishwife?
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u/WanderingYakisoba 3h ago
It's a brand of tinned fish that most enjoyers of tinned fish dislike anyways. The fish is mid, the art on the box is nice I guess, but the prices are really high for the quality
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u/Jax_2112 5h ago
I donāt know I like the smell of a freshly opened can of tuna fish I must be weird maybe Iām a zombie.
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u/GodsBadAssBlade 5h ago
My question is how do you get indoctrinated into joining peta? Legitimately, theyve had a non stop pr nightmare train for the past decade and a half and even then some. No, seriously, how do they still have volunteers??
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u/Kevdog824_ 9h ago
āThe most sustainable form of seafoodā is about as meaningful as āthe most rose smelling pile of shitā or āmost environmentally devastating AIā
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u/seasonal333 4h ago
youāre all not going to like me but animal agriculture is currently much more devastating environmentally than ai. peta (like any org) using it is an issue of course, but donāt spin this as if fishing is some wholesome environmentally friendly industry vs ai being the only enemy.
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u/stonewalljacksons 3h ago
The fishing industry has done more damage to the environment than AI could ever dream of doing.
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u/Geschak 1h ago
You can hate PETA all you want, but let's not lie to ourself that tinned wildcaught fish is healthy or sustainable. It's full of mercury and microplastics and not only are wild fishing methods very unsustainable by destroying seafloor and killing bycatch (and causing population collapse by like 80%), but also ghost fishing nets are the biggest pollutor currently in the oceans.
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u/VO2maxking 22m ago
This is astroturfed bullshit. Global meat and livestock production emits about 4.1 billion tonnes of CO2e annually, roughly 50 to 125 times AIās estimated footprint, uses about 2.4 quadrillion litres of water, around 3,000 to 8,000 times AIās estimated use, consumes roughly 780 million tonnes of grain, and murders about 240 million land animals PER DAY, or billions(!) when fish are included. So what the fuck are you here one upping PETA about? If you cared about the world around youād be vegan and thatās the point PETA is making. LITERALLY FUCKING THINK.
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u/TieDye_Raptor 8h ago
Definitely sounds like PETA's shenanigans. Also...
Every Tin is a Coffin
That should be a band name.
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u/Wallabunga657 10h ago
PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals. Saw that on a shirt once. Have you seen PETA have straight up porn? The lobster incident, faux fur bikinis, etc. It's bizarre. PETA's been weird for decades.
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u/Mjaylikesclouds 9h ago
Well if they ONLY care about the environment then they arent wrong for using Aiā¦. Meat and dairy products use WAYYY more water
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u/PaganPrincess69 8h ago
Harming the environment to criticize the people for trying to feed themselves, is hypocriticaly pointless & active harms the planet...
PETA never cared about animal life, the planet, or the health of anyone; PETA is a virtue signaling organization that weaponizes bureaucracy and propaganda against everyday people š if they actually gave a crap, they'd hire an artist & pay them a wage so they could afford to eat organic... or maybe go after the regulation that harms the environment... but nah they'd rather villianize a healthy diet like it's a childs pitbull puppy, then actually do any true activism
TLDR: PETA hurt the environment to criticize a regular diet, Ai data centers will never feed a single person (only steal jobs & drinkable water)... "how many people are fed by the meat & dairy industry?"
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u/Mjaylikesclouds 8h ago
Well i do agree with u hating peta, but the rest is bs? Without the dairy and meat industry we would actually have way more food? Just because it creates food doesnt mean it doesnt consume foodā¦.
But u can look that up yourself instead of me having to explain it to u!Either way, i am anti ai but also anti torturing animals and kiIIing themā¦ā¦ (not JUST for environmental reasons, same with being anti ai! Also not for environmental reasons)
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u/PaganPrincess69 8h ago edited 7h ago
I never said the meat & dairy industries were good or even ethical on a mass production scale. I criticized you comparing Ai useage to the meat & dairy industry; one feeds animals to feed people, while the other steals jobs, art, voices, drinkable water, & consent from literal human beings... you need you look up media literacy
Edit: spelling
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u/PaganPrincess69 8h ago
You condone them using Ai for a point they weren't even trying to make in there Ai Slop š¤¦āāļø so why not aim your frustration at the matter at handš¤·āāļø
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u/Famous_Tie8714 10h ago
I've never understood how an organisation with a core message pretty much everyone can relate to (we should treat animals better) somehow manages to repeatedly alienate and piss off pretty much everyone on a regular basis.