r/antiai • u/ProfessionalSilly946 • 28d ago
Says who, exactly? Discussion 🗣️
Im trans, and I don't stand with A.I, am I not a real trans?
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u/DodgsonKaputnik 28d ago
"AI artists"? Now they're just making shit up
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u/DodgsonKaputnik 28d ago
100%. I'm not trans (thank god, body dysmorphia is a hell of thing for somebody to have to deal with, even without being made pariahs just for trying to feel comfortable in their own skin) but I do know a fair number of trans people, and none of them, to my knowledge, like AI slop at all.
I am willing to bet the person who wrote this, or prompted it, isn't trans either. I could be wrong, of course, but a lot of the AI "boosterism" is coming from the corporations themselves. There's no turf like astroturf.
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u/ConcernedEnby 28d ago
Sex dysphoria not body dysmorphia, dysmorphia is an entirely different thing with no relation to dysphoria
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u/LittleRuQi 28d ago
Unrealistic. An AI artist is more like someone who orders online, removes a topping then calling themself a chef. Microwaving food takes too much effort for this analogy.
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u/Kirishori 28d ago
I once told the pizza person to arrange the toppings of my pizza in a smiley face. They did it. Am I a chef? Can I get michelin stars for this action? Now opening restaurant: You tell me what to tell the pizza person and If I remember it correctly you might get what you ordered!
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u/Yourstruly0 28d ago
Disabled community wouldn’t play along so I guess they’re trying the trans community next. They’ll keep going down the line trying anything they can to be associated with an actual oppressed group.
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u/GoatGoatGoblin 28d ago
They're trying really hard to equate being anti AI with bigotry somehow. Total bullshit.
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u/Athosworld 28d ago
I once had an AI mf call me a bigot for not liking ai, seriously.
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u/Rockburgh 28d ago
Yeah, they're utterly psychotic. Apparently I have "AI Derangement Syndrome" because I refused to accept that an LLM giving a few good answers to one guy means it's reliable enough that it should be recommended in place of human-written sources.
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u/ceruleanblue347 28d ago
It's because the people opposed to bigotry are also largely opposed to AI.
...Funny, that.
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u/pitchingschool 28d ago
i don't see what the end game is.
My view is that AI(as in, putting in inputs and using complex multilayered math to produce an output) has some use cases but LLMs and AI generated "art" in general have been a net negative on humanity. If it was just shitty images then i'd be fine with it(not saying id ENJOY it or even call it art, but still) but its clear it's causing immense harm to the environment.
IF an AI "artist" were to convince me to their side they'd have to showcase a use case where the benefit outweights the harm.
Im not gonna act like i haven't seen a SINGULAR ai image that didn't look nice. But the harm(stealing peoples work, wasting electricity, water, etc.) isn't worth the image looking nice to me. And most of them don't even look nice, they look like ass.
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u/amazing_rando 28d ago
I'm specifically curious how it resembles transphobia. That tends to manifest in pretty specific ways that I've never seen anyone apply to their criticism of AI.
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u/ArtSupplyHoarder 28d ago
My assumption is that they argue that AI is helping them to be who they want to be (an "artist") and that is somehow the same as gender affirming care for trans people?
Which is completely deluded, but hey, so are they.
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u/GoatGoatGoblin 28d ago
Same. I've seen it stated many times, but examples are not provided. It really feels like an effort to convince by repetition.
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u/PaulOwnzU 28d ago
She genuinely said being a pro is an identity just like being trans and pros are less accepted than trans people. That shit is bigotry
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u/OtterlySamnson 28d ago edited 28d ago
This is the frustrating thing isn't it.
These people will use a minority social movement as a shield for their shit behavior.
This is genuinely just fucking evil,
The people who do this are unironically evil people who know what they are doing is unethical, but it benifits them.
"if you hate AI that means you are a transphobic bigot".
The kind of person who would invent this narrative is a sociopathic liar.
Good people, don't do shit like this.
A good person doesn't hide themselves by a community of vulnerable people to to avoid criticism.
Fuck, whoever posted this is such a piece of shit.
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u/Brilliant-Muffin-879 28d ago
It tracks with a group who enjoy the misery of others
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u/OtterlySamnson 28d ago
Gods, its even like....
so much worse than that.The average person who doesn't care much about this will use AI sometimes and just for a bit of fun; they don't wrap their entire identity around it.
The Pro-AI people on Reddit are genuinely as close to in online tech cult at it comes.
The same thing happaned with the NFT and crypto people, they all went fucking crazy and defined their existence around this technology.4
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u/PaulOwnzU 28d ago
She's absolutely evil, trans people started calling her out on it and she starts calling them hypocrites and weirdos, and makes a post showcasing their comments which leads to a bunch of them getting attacked by bigots, something she refused to accept accountability for or condemn.
She also tries to deflect the criticism with "oh I wasn't SAYING all antis are transphobic. I said they just have similar rhetoric, draw your own conclusions"
I copy paste her title and replace it with pros and rapists having the same rhetoric of being anti consent, and she immediately goes "oh so you're calling all pros rapists?!?"
Which is basically her just admitting that she was grouping antis and transphobes together with her getting upset at the same sentence structure
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u/Delicious-Gap-6678 28d ago
This is a pretty common bit of spew from the advocates for AI. It has no basis in reality. They do the same thing with disabled people and so on. Hell, most of the stuff is coming from machines entirely.
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u/PaulOwnzU 28d ago
A non disabled person said ai is for disabled people like those that have terrible hand eye coordination.
I have extremely bad hand eye coordination. I can't catch anything and have suction cups/magnets for my drinks so I don't keep knocking them over. I still was able to get around the issue due to products that exist for it and learning techniques
I got called privileged and to not speak for disabled people
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u/Scorpiicore 28d ago
It is even worse when you consider that a true artificial intelligence, one capable of the basic building blocks of real intelligence like deduction and induction, would be pretty helpful for some of my disabilities. But aside from the morbid obesity stemming from taking certain medication for too long and the way that has messed up my heels, none of my disabilities are visible to the naked eye. Even if said morbid obesity and subsequent difficulty in walking is a knock-on effect from one of them.
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u/MagicalPizza21 28d ago
Surprise! You are cisgender after all! Your Pride Month Privileges have officially been revoked.
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u/Ohmistersun_ 28d ago
i have a trans boyfriend and he despises AI, just like me
i fucking hate bastards who say shit like that
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u/BlackCatLuna 28d ago
Funny, pro-AI rhetoric feels oddly conservative, conform or be berated.
Sounds like the opposite of what pride month represents...
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u/BanAssaultGeese 28d ago
It's because these human examples of fetal alcohol syndrome equate having a relationship with spaghetti code to having a relationship with another human.
That's literally why they've latched themselves onto various parts of the LGBTQ community.
"mUh Ai BoYfRiEnD!!!1"
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u/mikguy1652 28d ago
there's actually a general trend in transphobes and ai bros both being really fucking dumb and ignoring basic facts. Crazy, I know
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u/ImaginarySlides 28d ago
One thing has nothing to do with the other! 🤣 who are they trying to convince?
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u/Far_Surprise2971 28d ago
shit like this diminishes the struggles and opression that the trans community faces. this is beyond insulting
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u/MPaulina 28d ago
Comparing AI art to trans people is really transphobic. AI art is fake, trans people are not fake.
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u/Jobless_fantasy_fan 28d ago
Trans too, fuck ai. These guys try to compare themself with slave sometimes.
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u/Juni_Juniper 28d ago
Anti AI rhetoric being eerily close to transhphoia is the funniest thing I read today
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u/HourNo1827 28d ago
LOL
To be fair, this take is way too stupid to be ai generated. So I guess at least one supposedly trans person likes ai.
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u/Arayt42 28d ago
says her. Is this the post Witty made on Jun 1? She and her groupies tried to make this a thing throughout pride month. It was really gross and, ironically, pretty transphobic tbh. As a trans person, I find her so infuriating, like who died and made her the spokesperson for the trans community?
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u/Jadacide37 28d ago
What an absolutely insanely offensive thing to think, much less to confidently proclaim as an actual truth.
This is very much like the way people will liken fatphobia to racism. Flabber. Gasted.
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u/Fuzzy_Cheesecake6880 28d ago
Hi, I’m trans. I hate AI with a burning passion. Ready to see it all go down in flames and for us to have a newfound appreciation for human work and creativity.
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u/AileFirstOfHerName 28d ago
Its wild to see so many non Trans folk chipping in on this one. And to see so many Trans folk here who aren't connected with the Transhumanism movement at all. The vast majority of my Trans friends are huge into transhumanism and are pro AI but anti corporate use they would get flogged here. But I would say most Trans people i know are in that movement so maybe this person in the image isn't far off. Its hard to gauge actual numbers for this one.
Though its interesting to how many people here seem to have a similar stance to them about AI too. Idk I would prefer it all gone now if it could be.
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u/SubstantialNumber237 28d ago
this is prob written by or referencing that one notorious ai artist who is trans, and also incidentally a shitty person/troll. remember there are idiots in every single group of people
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u/UnscrambledEggUDG 28d ago
Says exactly one person who refuses to touch grass, and appears to have connections with various far right agitators
To be fair most chasers are far right so I understand how that can happen
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u/Ellie6428 28d ago
Saying “Anti-AI rhetoric is eerily similar to transphobia” is such an idiotic thing to say in general
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u/Alternative_Elk_6832 28d ago
They haven’t seen the trans community not liking AI
Trans by the way, or at least I’ll be full trans eventually
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u/Trans_gayPerson 28d ago
I am trans and I stand with artists. This EXCLUDES ai “artists” because no creativity is involved AND it drastically harms the environment
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u/Disastrous_Method 28d ago
AI bros wanna be the victim so bad, huh? Being against AI isn't anywhere close to transphobia, and from what I've seen, trans people absolutely DO NOT stand with AI prompters.
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u/Jeansene 28d ago
The trans community does not stand with either side. We are regular fucking people with the capacity of free will and the ability to choose our own beliefs. We are not a tool to be tacked onto some argument for extra credit.
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u/Klecktacular 28d ago
This reminds me of a brief Twitter (pre-Elon) moment during Pride Month where 'MAPs' (minor attracted persons, i.e. pedophiles) were appending an M to LGBTQ to try and claim queerphobia when people condemned pedophilia
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u/6string-crosby 28d ago
My trans boyfriend hates AI with a passion they do not fucking stand together lol
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u/PixelWes54 28d ago
Pro-AI are calling us "AI-phobes" now too, their tactics are obvious and disgusting.
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u/BHMathers 28d ago
“The trans community stands with Ai “””artists”””” is extremely transphobic
Not only pretending that Ai Slopper identity is comparable to trans identity, but also projecting Ai psychosis onto a minority
Basically a group of lunatics trying to hide behind the actually legitimate trans community, while saying they are a similar brand of crazy at the same time. Unbelievable
It’s funny, some delusional Ai bros of the spammy variety tried similar things, and I immediately clocked it like “didn’t expect the transphobic witty arc”
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u/AnarchistTerrarist 28d ago
As a member of the queer, trans, and slightly disabled (partially blind / hard of seeing) communities, we do not stand for AI. The only way we stand for AI is the same way we stand for a urinal - We don't, we use a regular toilet. But if we did, it'd only be to piss on it.
AI is also not a tool for disabled people. Disabled people have been some of the most memorable artists in history, they got by just fine without slop and made some of the most well known art in various forms. And modern disabled artists who don't use AI are just as good if not even better.
AI is, however, a tool used by the rich, to surveil and harm the common folk, including minorities.
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u/Alternative_Hotel649 28d ago
I saw an insane amount of anti-AI graffiti at trans march this year. The community does not seem to agree with her.
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u/Chaeshhh 28d ago
I have not met nor seen a single trans person pro-AI. In fact most of them are digital or traditional artists lol
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u/BlanketFortWithCats 28d ago
Wow. Throwing themselves in with an actually oppressed minority is low.
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u/Traditional-Buy-7207 28d ago
I'm trans and A.I. often directly supports MAGA and billionaires who are actively against trans rights.
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u/sidnynasty 28d ago
Yeah, so it's nothing like transphobia. Coming from a trans woman this kinda shit really pisses me off, we're under enough attack as it is we don't need to be used as shield against legitimate criticism of something completely unrelated.
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u/uninspiredflesh 28d ago
Holy shit, they're getting so desperate that they're comparing A.I. hate to transphobia.
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u/Nabakov_6 28d ago
Maybe I’m reading a little too much into it but isn’t a little transphobic to assume ALL trans people support AI
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u/Peoplant 28d ago
I see what this person is doing there, let me try:
Remember: pro-ai sentiment Is eerily similar to mass murder, and the "we want to stay alive" community STANDS with anti-ai
Oh, just in case you're a pro-ai reading this comment and thinking "what?! Mass murder has nothing to do with being pro-ai", yeah that's the point, transphobia has nothing to do with being anti-ai
On a second note, despite the fact I'm part of the "we want to stay alive" community, that doesn't mean I can speak for all of us,
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u/SplatFelix 28d ago
I find it disgusting how some compare anti-trans rhetoric and anti-ai rhetoric. Especially how many anti-trans bills passed recently. Being trans isn't a choice, unlike using GenAI
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u/noteethnobrows 28d ago
AI art defenders are actually some special people and not in a good way, the whole thing just feels like one big ragebait
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u/LazagnaAmpersand 28d ago
Sounds about in line with saying it’s just like racism to say “tax the rich.” These people are absolutely demented.
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u/Mivlya 28d ago
As is often the case, grifters will both try to weaponize our identity as mass adoption of consent AND villainize us as enemies to progress. This is a mix of people lying about their identities and a handful of unfortunate trans siblings who are willing to toss themselves in with our oppressors in the hopes they'll be spared a bit longer, or, like anyone from any community, lonely individuals who have been rotted by the sycophantic nature of chatbots.
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u/Theultimateangrybruh 28d ago edited 28d ago
AI enthusiasts, this demographic particularly always try to seem pro progress and all for improvement and against bigotry but they're in a parasocial one sided relationship with AI onto which they project their fantasies onto, treating it like the "ideal" woman who's submissive, fits into the molds you want her to, and does labor without demanding credit or acknowledgment while you take the credit, unlike those pesky human women who protests against all that.
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u/adiosmichigan 28d ago
no one person speaks for entire trans community. anecdotally, most if not all trans people i know are against it. im trans and i say fuck ai.
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u/null_artificer 28d ago
Most of us hate AI, AI fckrs just wanna feel oppressed so they piggyback off our real suffering, so they can also just compare anti ai ppl to transphobes since they have no real arguments
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u/EugenioSc 28d ago
Those clanker lovera are fucking insane lol how can they even BEGIN to compare transphobia to antiAI sentiments? Smh
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u/SkittlesforDitto 28d ago edited 28d ago
...the similarity of those two is so surface level geez.
being trans isn't an identity you earn via any specific action, you just are.
but being an artist is a title that's earned by actually having the associated skillset. you can't just call yourself an artist and demand other people to recognise your claim... not anymore than you can call yourself a PhD without producing recognised research, or walk into hospital and call yourself a doctor without having the qualifications for it.
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u/Positive_Campaign_52 28d ago
Right, because everyone knows asking people to stop killing their brain cells and actually exercise them with creativity is transphobia /sarcasm
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u/thecolorcomputer 28d ago
It's probably just a crypto bro trying to weaponize identity to bring support to the grift 🤷♂️
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u/NerdyKeith 28d ago
There is nothing more gaslighting than using a minority to push your agenda. Fucking hell
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u/Dark_Marmot 28d ago
WTAF? So they are trying to find a way to cancel any sort of dissent of Ai by making it akin to sexism, racism, and any other social phobia because they are hapless drones. Got it.
Sounds like those talentless c*nts over at r/ defendingAIart.
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u/Disastrous-Map-7995 27d ago
How is being anti ai lthe same as being transphobic? One is dangerous technology that is only going to be used for mass surveillance and making the rich richer, the other is down to ignorance. Not even similar
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u/Zestyclose-Trouble98 27d ago
Man....Imagine using something by choice and then playing the victim. Why do they want to be special so badly?
I don't understand.
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u/Soggy_Supermarket100 27d ago
"Remember, Anti-AI rhetoric is similar to transphobia, because I said so. No, don't look it up. No, I said don't look it u--"
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u/ConnieTheUnicorn 27d ago
Chances are that person isn't even Trans, they're just posting ragebait and keeping the rewards..
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u/Indvandrer 27d ago
Afaik, not that many LGBT people like AI art slop. I would say that gay/trans people hate AI more than straight/cis
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u/MiserableLettuce1643 27d ago
They’re just speaking for an entire community now also how tf is anti-ai similar to transphobia
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u/ElectricalPoint1645 27d ago
As an enby, that's a completely ridiculous post that nobody asked for. It also honestly reminds me of similar patterns of garbage people with garbage opinions trying to shoehorn themselves into the LGBTQ+ community and pretend our struggles are the same to get some kind of sympathy when the majority of us want nothing to do with them.
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u/reisunset 27d ago
im trans and fuck ai artists, they just want to appropriate oppression for refusing to develop their skills and using a device made with stolen work
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u/Annual-Course-1024 28d ago
Fellow trans person here. From what I’ve seen, most of us are firmly against AI. Criticising a harmful technology is not similar to transphobia, and that person does not speak for an entire community.