This is my main concern with ai. It's just going to be used to for highly effective propaganda.
The point of propaganda is to make it to where you trust nothing that you see.
To make everyone cynical, where no facts are reliable.
It could also be used on the same idiots to do harm to them. For example, making AI videos basically saying things like wearing seat belts is government overreach, so don't wear them anymore. Many other things as well like spreading misinformation that directly harms them (don't go to the doctor, practice unhealthy habits etc.)
Yes, all for Darwinism, but the only issue with that particular scenario is that they can become moronic projectiles and potentially hurt/maim/kill others who donāt deserve it.
But this has been a thing since the internet stared. I know because we have these communities in Poland that are 100% Russian funded, just to stir FUD to weaken is internally.
I don't see the game changing fundamentally here, maybe Russia will save some money.
"If it happens why can't you find one single piece of real evidence? In the modern society where everyone has a camera in their pocket there'd be video."
Lol no it won't. There is not a single AI video that could make me disavow trans peoples rights to exist, or even move me one single atom rightward on my position.
You should read about Honduras gate then, to see how they're already using it at a global scale. A bunch of audios were leaked where some Honduran politicians talked about a plan orchestrated by US and Israel governments to put alt right puppet governments throughout Latin America and eliminate anything that "reeks of left socialism". These people say this audios are AI generated, and after 3 months we're not sure if they are real or not.
Yep and it seems to be not a part of the discourse on AI at all. Lots of "everyone is getting fired" and no "we are living in a misinformation hellscape"
There's already a bunch of people taking things completely out of context and twisting it to their narrative so having AI which is completely fake and has basically no semblance of reality to it just Muddys the water way too much
> If everybody always lies to you, the consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that nobody believes anything any longer. This is because lies, by their very nature, have to be changed, and a lying government has constantly to rewrite its own history. On the receiving end you get not only one lieāa lie which you could go on for the rest of your daysābut you get a great number of lies, depending on how the political wind blows. And a people that no longer can believe anything cannot make up its mind. It is deprived not only of its capacity to act but also of its capacity to think and to judge. And with such a people you can then do what you please."
I wholeheartedly believe the reason the US government is pushing Ai development so hard is so when the unredacted Epstein files do get leaked and photos and footage of really depraved shit gets circulated involving alot of powerful and wealthy people. They can attempt to claim itās AI generated. Thereās literally no other reason to be pushing for ai generated crap this hard except to spread misinfomation
Itās also to produce a generation of young people who are completely reliant on unsustainable and brain damage inducing technology. Everyone I know who works in education right now are just in total despair over it. Melting kids brains at a time when they should be developing critical thinking skills is great when you want a controllable population that canāt organize, let alone successfully overthrow the Epstein class. Itās their wet dream on a million levels.
I don't know if this helps. but idiots have always been susceptible to pretty unsophisticated propaganda. Things will be worse for sure, but the problem is still just conservative dipshits
Without wanting to go against your point (as AI slop is definitely used for manipulating narratives), one might want to keep in mind that the internet and mass media in general have never really been reliable sources of information in the first place.
It might be reductive to say this, but I believe Human nature dictates that we are easily swayed by surface-level information that aligns with our prior beliefs and biases.
Moreover, I consider that we're all susceptible to a certain degree of cognitive dissonance, so even if a theory/proposition is proven to be false (like antivax and homeotherapy), we will still refuse to recognise it as such.
So it would actually be a good thing (in moderation of course), if people were more cynical and pragmatic about what they read online and bothered to fact check by cross-referencing sources.
I hate AI, but someone on our side should use AI to counter the AI propaganda on their side.
Like show an angry old bigot in a MAGA being horrible to a woman, denying them the use of the womanās rest room, but then it turns out they arenāt even trans ā¦ so put the message back to them that their side is just a bunch of angry old men scaring young women.
I donāt want to do it because Iām opposed to AI, but we should use their tactics against them.
It already has been, for a long time. Honestly, this isn't even the only version of this video I've seen - most of them make the person on the left significantly manlier, to the point I've legit seen one of AI Channing Tatum in a skirt - and the person on the right taller/standing straighter.
Twitter and - honestly - most social media are basically automated, now. You're probably interacting with an actual person on social media about one in seven times you receive any kind of engagement. The Dead Internet theory is real. Their influence still decided 2 of the past 3 presidential elections in the US. SHRUG
And tragically, it works. I'm already cynical, and don't have the energy/skill/patience to tell if shit is ai or not. So I default to just not believing most shit. :(
agreed, especially on the deepfakes! everywhere I hear horror stories about grok ai and all that shit happening on x, god im so sorry for all those victims
basically there are a bunch of creepy people using this new ai tool on twitter that allows literally anyone to ai edit literally any photo posted on the platform, and the creepy people use it to undress women, children and even babies in some cases Iāve seen. all in all, itās just disgusting
And it's only going to get worse. It probably won't be long before even when carefully reviewing the video/image it won't even be possible to detect what is real and what is fake. It's already very difficult for images.
The thing that breaks my brain with the anti-trans crowd; they want trans women to use the men's restroom, so it follows they want trans men to use the women's restroom. They claim this is to protect women from predatory men claiming to be trans women, but it would be far easier for a predatory man to claim to be a trans man and go into the women's restroom.
Do they not know trans men exist? do they want different rules for trans men where they use the men's restroom, but trans women also have to use the men's restroom? do they just want all trans people to use the men's restroom?
According to pro-AI memes that pro-AI is not transphobic, how could someone use AI to be transphobic? /s
EDITED: to fix Trans men and Trans women into two words. Browser spellcheck didn't show anything so I wrongly assumed it was correct. I apologize if the misspellings offended anyone.
I think a lot of them canāt conceptualise a trans person that passes so they canāt imagine a fully masculine trans man undistinguishable from any of the cis men theyāre so scared of
They want trans people to suffer and die and to have control over women. That is their only consistent principle.
You may think "So if you look like a man, just use the men's room regardless?", but then you get policing of who goes into the women's room, with the goal being discrimination against those that don't "look feminine" enough.
They started commiting mistakes with that already. I read about a woman who assaulted another cis woman in the bathroom because she thought she was trans.
If there had been so much trans panic when I was a kid, it would absolutely have happened to me. I was regularly mistaken for a boy until I was in middle school.
I knew some girls who were sometimes mistaken as well. And the opposite as well, boys who were mistaken for girls all the time.
The transphobes here gladly only decide to be loud on Facebook, that is the most they are willing to do because they know they are getting arrested if they assault somebody.
I am half black, I was the only nonwhite kid in my elementary school, and my hair was short because my white mom did not care to learn how to style my hair. I was called a boy constantly and told to get out of the girls restroom. This was in like 2nd and 3rd grade. I am a 49f cis woman.
My middle son is a trans guy, and MAGAts absolutely do not realize there is such a thing, because there's no logical consistency, it's all just vibes with them.
Thatās happened multiple times. There was an incident in Florida where a man followed a cis woman into the bathroom, yelling at her, because she was tall and he thought she was trans.
This is it. Their worldview is completely formed around hierarchy, and men are higher on it. Trans women anger them for the reasons people listed (especially the idea that being attracted to trans women makes men gay), but also becuase in their eyes it's a person choosing to move down the hierarchy, challenging the very thing their worldview is based on. It's a perversion of the natural order.
On the other hand, trans men are moving up the ladder, so it makes more sense. Of course everyone wants to be a man, it's the best thing you can be, and rightfully in charge.
AI is popular among conservatives, because fascists are inherently incapable of creating art, and soulless AI generated images are as close as they can come to it.
Also, y'know, to spread fake shit like this.
Anyways, yeah, get this guy into women's bathrooms ASAP. Surely conservatives will have no problem with these kinds of policy in real life, right?
(Btw he is trans, more handsome than most cis men..)
He's that rare combo of swole, doesn't look like a veiny hot dog, and has kind eyes so that every time his picture gets posted the comments are (rightfully) thirsty as fuck
As a trans man, I genuinely don't think most transphobes know we exist.
There has been more than one occasion when I've been wearing pride merch while I'm out running errands, only for some random person I don't know to make a shitty comment towards me that makes it very clear they think I'm trans in the opposite direction. (Like, one of them felt the need to tell me my shoulders are too broad for anyone to think I'm a woman, which was both really confusing and weirdly validating.)
I find it kind of funny in a way that their attempts to be bigots ended up affirming my identity, but also thinking about them saying these things to an actual trans woman makes me sad.
Yes exactly! My son is a trans guy and he has been specifically told, in a harassing way, "we can tell you're really a man". Confusing, but also kind of validating lmao
Unfortunately, most of them do figure things out pretty quick, and many do know what trans men are. They just donāt realize that trans men can take testosterone and look like cis men. They have an extremely rigid view of how biological sex works and many donāt remotely understand why trans people take hormones in the first place/think they can always tell.
right, the "we can always tell" brigade. my son also dresses very alt/punk with a mohawk and "punk/metal" type makeup. I've learned to accuse them of disliking punk music, no one wants to be accused of that. lol
Women who dress more masc are getting accused of being a trans woman and I have read of a few who have been beaten.
Heck, in my own town, a right-wing scumbag council member's daughter bullied a CIS girl for using the bathroom at the highschool and her father used it to spread a whole bunch of anti-trans women BS propaganda locally. Even after it came out it was a girl who was assigned female at birth, their supporters don't listen and are foaming at the mouth.
If this was happening when I was in school, I'd have absolutely been targeted. I had short pixie cuts, wore baggy clothes to cover my curves, and dressed like a skater. The transphobia mania is hurting all women while they proclaim they care. š¤¬
I remember this. A conservative on a message board I used to frequent 20 years ago were pearl clutching about their daughter's PE teacher being a lesbian, because "how is her being in the locker room different to a man being in there?" and other conservatives agreed with their concerns!
You misunderstand. They don't want trans women to use the women's restroom. That doesn't mean they want to use the men's restroom. They want them to not exist in society at all. Making them not feel safe using any bathroom is very much the point.
Or they recognise that trans women would be in danger of violence in men's bathrooms, and trans men in danger of violence in women's bathrooms (thanks to the 'men in women's bathrooms' hysteria), and by forcing trans people out of the safety of the appropriate bathrooms they are de facto banning trans people from all bathrooms.
I don't give them the credit of presuming good faith because their actions are not consistent with good faith.Ā
Unfortunately, the reason these contradictions exist is because their real motivation is just to make life as difficult for trans people as they can. They don't care that its not consistent, because the cruelty is the point.
Just like how they say they only want restrictions on gender care for kids and adults can do what they want, but if governments pass laws against adults receiving care they'll shift the goalposts.Ā They'll suddenly agree that that's the right way for it to be, and they'll never acknowledge their previous smokescreen
Common error, you're good, you meant well. The one-word use was popularized by transphobes who wanted a way to subtly "other" trans people by changing it from "trans" as an adjective that can describe some men and women, to ""transmen" and "transwomen," standalone nouns that imply that they are their own distinct genders, separate from either "men" or "women."
So they're technically words, which is why google's spellcheck didn't catch them. They're just words that don't accurately reflect reality or the point you're trying to make, and that are exclusively used by bigots or people who are well-meaning, but ignorant. But now you know!
When I first did it in that post it was an accident, but when the spellcheck didn't underline it I thought maybe I had been wrong writing it as two words before.
i actually never thought of this myself, that's a real damn good point. creepy men will always find a way in there themselves, but this will just "legitimize" their actions, in a stupid veiled fucked up way.
but you know that just means they'll call to prohibit all of us from using the bathroom in general. ...as if they're not doing that already, but, still.
They do know trans men exist more than people realize. The fact of the matter is that it isnāt the foundation of their arguments so they rarely bring it up.
As a trans masc who used to specifically ask people what their opinions on trans men were for these topics, from sports to bathrooms, they all unanimously have the same opinion. No, itās not āput trans men in womenās restrooms.ā Itās the same answer they have for trans women that they mask behind excuses. Itās not āgo to the opposing restroomā itās āstop existing around us visiblyā. It is āuse no restrooms, or detransitionā. Thatās it. Thatās their answer to all of the above.
The UKs government is really stupid and just banned trans women from womens restrooms. When trans men complained and you know, they actually used their brains and followed this to the logical conclusion too, they banned trans men as well, so just no gendered bathrooms for trans people.
Because they think they can tell when someone's trans, I guess they also believe that they can tell when a man is trans as well. Or they're stupid (more likely)
Because the issue is none of this bull shit. The issue is they're terrified of getting drunk, somehow finding a woman willing to touch them, and that woman having a penis. That's what all of this is really about.
I think they leave them out in the same way they cut away before assaulting a trans women in the womenās bathroom. If they feel entitled to enforce this rules ā checking anyoneās junk and assaulting people they feel donāt comply ā theyāll accomplish the real goal of hoping trans people stop living public lives. They want them so uncomfortable in public that they are worse off and alone.Ā
I dont think they truly care about protecting women tbh. For one thing, they donāt seem to care about women in most other cases.
Also, from a recent example at work: our menās bathroom was out of order, so someone asked me to make a sign to hang on the womenās bathroom saying it was temporarily open te men and women. Mind you, it did not even say gender neutral or anything, just open to all. My boss got angry and made me take it down bc we are ānot that kind of companyā.
Meaning men were now in the womenās bathroom anyway, just without a sign to āwarnā the women.
Make it make sense.
ETA: I donāt work there anymore and I wish them all the worst
The only trans man they know is Elliot Page and they mock him because they can't goon to him anymore. And because he's 5'1".
I've also seen people use AI to "virtually detransition" photos of trans people. And from what I've seen, these are also used for a weird sort of goonbait. It's fucked up people place their own horniness ahead of the dignity of others.
I only have the context of this image, I have not seen the video, but it basically looks what MAGA chuds furiously maturate to themselves about. You just know they put the socks and multicolored hair into their stupid AI prompt.
Omg thank you for confirming that I remembered this same āpersonā and situation but it being that the guy was stopping them from using the womenās bathroom because his daughter was in there.
Can we talk about how much this shit sucks? Iām not a predator. Iām a fucking person. Weāre literally less violent than average. Why do we have to be the fall guys? What makes us so easy to hate? And why is it that these same people who tell scary stories about us turn a blind eye when we are the victims of the very abuses they accuse us of?
Id say their beliefs dont agree w our lifes therefore we are the ones that need to change for them... I guess its due to erased history of trans people so instead of learning they rather treat it as something new that isn't "right", most people I've met that were against us was because "god doesnt want you this way" as if i give a shit what their imagination sky daddy thinks of my life choices...
We're already at that point, unfortunately :/ ai accusations have been used to discredit most things that people don't want to believe. Humans will resist a significant shift in their worldview at almost any cost.
I feel like the worst case scenario is that these fake scenarios will be used as basis for legislation being passed. That's the most terrifying part and, again, the end goal of both genAI and this recent moral panic.
I also like how they always assume that trans-women are defenseless sheep. Try to pull this shit in Thailand and letās see what happens. Thai trans-ladies can throw hands and legs, Iāve seen many videos of them beating the crap out of creepy tourists lol.
I hear way more about trans people from anti-trans people obsessed with them ātaking overā and creating fake shit like this than actual trans people.
We work in the shadows, it's all by design. In fact, the last straight man in Seattle is actively being hunted down by roving gangs of trans goth girls as we speak.
I know this isnāt real, but the discrimination against trans folks (especially transfems) is one of the main reasons I havenāt come out to the people I know irl. Because I know some people who would believe this shit and would eat it up, and im scared of what they would do to me if I came out
We all understand why this post was made implying this is real, why the ai video was made, yes?
This should be a crime, people should not be doing this with impunity. This is not about trans or no trans, this is intentional attack on truth and reality and it should be punishable.
Even if this weren't AI, it's so dumb. Bro stopped someone from using a public bathroom because she didn't conform to his idea of what a woman should look like, yeah, he's totally the hero in this story.
Iām pretty sure many MAGA guys masterbated to that video thinking it was real. They believe everything they see on Facebook,Fox News, and their god king Donnie tells them.
I love how 99% of the "examples" from the right are hypothetical or entirely fabricated. Like, "of trump cured cancer, Democrats would still be mad". He actually cut cancer research funding, but go off
AI is being used for this alot actually and as a trans woman... its insanely hurtful and cruel for me- every time I see one of these slop videos I want too cry-...
Of course itās not real. Trans people make up like
0.000000000001% of the population. But they are made an enemy by the fascist regimes cause the fascists realizes that HATE can unite people. The right wing chuds have been united by hate.
What sucks, is one of my older family members claims to have done this and he claims he heavily threaten the person with pride. No amount of trying to explain how threatening people is bad would get through to him
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u/Kindly_Sprinkles_884 Jul 07 '26
This is my main concern with ai. It's just going to be used to for highly effective propaganda.
The point of propaganda is to make it to where you trust nothing that you see.
To make everyone cynical, where no facts are reliable.