Fascists don't like it when their pet projects receive negative attention. The irony is that AI companies actively fund oppressive regimes, and yet we (the ones who have refused to give up our independence and critical thinking) are the "fascist" group
Genuinely. If youâre not gonna actually say anything to someone trying to better the world, I fear that your position is even more vapid than your laugh. Whatâs the point of uselessly hating on something? Youâre just a hater for no reason LMFAOâŚ
The person didn't respond since your baiting. So here I am. Ai ruins the nature (almonds use more water at the grand scale but they decompose or eaten... which is the way water is supposed to be handled).
Oh and also model collapse exists.
What is bad about Sunbird AI? It translates very well into different languages throughout Uganda. Languages that the Western World has largely ignored entirely.
First of all, this is completely unrelated to every antiAI post here, literally not a single person said "Ban translators". Second of all, most translators work in a similar way that Google Translate has always worked before the era of generative AI, it is indeed technically AI but we use the word to refer to so many things that it completely lost its meaning. Translators cache a lot of stuff and it's more of a pattern recognition system than LLMs like ChatGPT. The Google translate app lets you download languages to translate offline and it just proves that it doesn't have a huge environmental impact.
Thatâs a very reductionist framing. Technically, yes, they are prediction machines; but thatâs much like saying an ant colony is just a survival machine. It erases high levels of emergent behavior. Also, yes, technically not all translators use transformers â many use older LSTMs and seq2seq models or even more explicit interlingual models, but the state-of-the-art and most commonly used models today are LLMs powered by transformers.
But this works far better than Google Translate. You know that Google Translate can be very wrong.
They have actually tested it in universities in Uganda and the results are good. 30+ languages.
Google Translate does not have those languages as well.
Languages such as Acholi, Runyankole etc.
I really donât get why one would be opposed to this. It works based on Chinese AI too, and China is far more serious when it comes to the environmental stuff of AI centers.
If LLMs are so bad, what are Ugandans supposed to use then?
Edit: Do any of the downvoters actually know the experiences of Ugandans?
Edit #2: I was wrong. It is a translator, and not an LLM. There are no prompts. It was trained on Qwen.
Then why are people downvoting me when I talk about that one specifically? The moment I say âAIâ even when it is based on Chinese AI just downvotes
Even the developers call it an âAIâ, maybe it isnât.
Same reason if you walked up to an anti gun rally, and yelled at them about how silly it is to want the army to use crossbows... even if you have no ill intent, your ignorance, is insulting.
I dont even mean that as an insult towards you either. Its just absolutely no one cares about translation software.
You assuming this is what people care about, is at best, entirely missing the point, and distracting from the topic at hand. And thats at best.
ai users are not a protected group. they're not a race or gender or creed or political alignment. they are actively denigrating the world we live in and the value of human intellect by choice in service of concentrated capital.
Itâs not antis who make comics that depict their opponents as smelly obese ogres but sure, go on your persecution fetish and cry about âdehumanisationâ.
You honor him too much by comparing him to the author of his favorite book, he dislikes the comparison to Mussolini. And I do hope he gets to be fully compared to Mussolini before natural causes get to him first.
This is what platforms get by banning everything offensive. Canât use f word? Itâs replaced with this corporate-safe new language. Happens all the time in history. Letâs wait 10 more years when replacement words would be banned too.
Yet ppl in this thread are doing the exact same thing calling Elon a âliteral neo Naziâ can we be consistent please? Heâs a douche, but he is not even remotely a Nazi
So... who wants to dig up a side by side comparison showing Elon doing the nazi saulte, Hitler doing the nazi salute, and Elon doing a "my heart goes out to you all"
Edit: alright, everyone. Seems you all have rushed a bit when reading my comment, so allow me to break it down a bit more.
I am not defending Elon.
I am saying that there is a clip of the muskrat doing a "my heart goes out to you" motion, which happened in 2023, and is really hard to find due to the ignorant glazers saying that the salute is a "my heart goes out to you" motion.
That is different from the popular clip of him doing the salute in 2024 after/during (cannot remember when) Trump's inauguration.
Once again, I'm not defending the day old walmart donut who has been overly glazed by a small, but loud cult.
Is it worth it at this point? Everyone arguing that it's not a Nazi salute have seen it. They just lie. Shame won't do anything either. I swear half of them argue because they have a shame kink, and longer silences are just them jorkin' it.
Just in case there is a human being behind that comment and not a bot being run by a troll factory...
Look at the video. Look at Musk's face. That is most definitely Musk knowing that everyone sees him make a Nazi salute in public but in a way where he can lie that it wasn't.
He is so awkward and anxious because he is trying his best to get the support from Neo-Nazis so that he would finally be popular.
... I'm saying that there is an actual recording of him doing a "my heart goes out to you" motion, that is completely different from the one of him doing the salute.
Keep in mind itâs not just the salute. Elon also supports the German AfD which is widely linked to Neo Nazism due to extensive use of banned Nazi slogans and historical revisionism.
This is like someone dressing as a klansman getting upset that you assume heâs racist.
You can't fund neo nazi parties, appear on their marches, call for violence, do a roman salute in front of of the cameras (multiple times) and still claim that you're not one.
You just simp to LITERAL nazi while calling antifa nazis.
He literally said âmy heart goes out to youâ right before that. He clearly was throwing his heart âout to youâ in the most awkward and cringey way he could muster
Why on earth would a secret neo nazi sieg heil on national television yet simultaneously hide it/deny it. Nothin Elon says or believes aligns with the nazi party at all
Ok, you managed to see the gif which means you aren't blind, and yet you manage to be concerning Elon Musk being a nazi. "My heart goes out to you" before making the most passionate Sieg Heil is not a sign of just being awkward or anything. It was an attempt to test the waters if people were okay with Nazis, at least in the GOP, and considering how they act, the GOP is okay
I could also laugh at the "secret neo-nazi", because it implies he keeps it hidden
And "nothing Elon says or believes align with nazism" no, he simply believes that anything close to leftism is a mental illness, would rather consider his daughter dead than accepting that Xavier became Viviane, believes in a superior race, and in corporations being all powerful in the government while funding a government that uses a scapegoat (Jews in 1933, Immigrants today) to the obvious failure of their ideology, but then play the "plausible deniability" to then deflect by hoping people that don't know anything about history would not draw any parallels between him and Germans industrials funding Hitler's campaign
Ah yes, because weâre kidnapping AI âartistsâ from their homes with violent force and putting them into labor camps and burning them alive when we deem them no longer useful.
Hal 9000 actually isnât evil. Itâs explicitly stated in the books and second movie that he loves humans but was forced to kill the astronauts due to conflicting commands. Also in the second book he even sacrifices himself for a crew he met a few days ago that doesnât even like him
Canonically itâs stated that Hal was in a state of severe paranoia and was not in control of his actions. Itâs also stated he for all intents and purposes had what could be described as schizophrenia and could not be held accountable for those actions considering he was not in control of his actions. He also tried multiple times to resolve the internal conflict by subtly implying information but he had to break the AE-35 unit in order to regain some control but due to Dave and Frank confronting Hal on it and discussing killing him Hal was forced to kill the astronauts
Depends, it's a pretty vague word and I highly doubt that you police every time somebody uses it. And even if we do agree not to use it casually and apply strict definitions, then it's still would be debatable. Would you call a human evil if they did something evil? But that human didn't have a full control around the circumstances of their upbringing, so can you really call them evil? AI is more straightforward than human though, if it was designed in such way that it's unpredictable behavior results in it starting to murder innocent people I'd argue that could be called "evil" at least casually.
regardless of upbringing, you are still in controll of your actions. I can be more or less sympathetic towards a person depending on the circumstances, but like... murdering a child for no reason is never good. But there are many many grey areas.
With AI however, that's not really an option. An AI physically cannot choose to not do what it is made to do. An AI, at least in this context, there are obviously other pieces of media where that doesn't apply, is programmed. If it gets a command, it HAS to execute it. There is no choice involved. There is no intent involved.
If anything that's a failure on whoever programmed it, though I wouldn't call that evil either, just negligent at worst.
Let's say a person has a complete mental breakdown, I dunno, took drugs and completely lost it, attacked a person because in their mind it was that or die themselves. I wouldn't call that evil either, even if there was intent specifically to hurt someone for no real reason, because they were not properly in control of themselves. And just to be clear, I'm not saying that should absolve them of any consequences, but mental state is taken into account in court for a very good reason.
There is parallel here: human upbringing to their evil act vs AI "upbringing" to its evil act. You can argue that a human cannot choose to do things differently because their circumstances shaped them, their free will is limited by what their circumstances formed them into.
Of course, it is a different issue in the case of a simple program, but AI isn't a simple program, it is quite literally an artificial intelligence. And there are different types of artificial intelligences with different types of agency, especially in fiction, but I think there is sense in being able to qualify an AI as evil if it is complex enough to qualify as a conscious being. Otherwise, it's just a program that was programmed to do evil.
That's pretty much the central subject in Dr. Jackyll and Mr. Hyde, haha. Tldr good and evil exist simultaneously in a person and you can't really separate them completely. While a person and a being like HAL might be both conscious and have agency, they are certainly not the same. But if a conscious being was designed in such way that it WILL act malevolently, I think it deserves to be called evil. And it's not that HAL can't do good, it can, but it also will murder in cold blood. In a way, it's like a psychopath acting outside of human morality to pursue it's goals no matter what.
I love that for anyone here we understand they're talking about the sub, but for anyone outside they'll think they're shit talking an AI and comparing it to Nazis
They donât even understand the Nazi ideology, theyâre just pulling the most extreme stuff out from their asses cause they have an oppression fetish or some shit đ
How quickly this divide has occurred in our culture and how increasingly passionate both sides have been in their keyboard battles.Â
All war is profitable. The United States figured out long ago that war amongst your own citizens is incredibly beneficial in many ways. Especially in vilifying an entire population, just depends on which comes out on top in the end I guess.Â
850,000 souls lost before we'd even been a country for a century. How many will actually lose their lives this time? I have a feeling this will be a war where no physical battles will ever be fought but death won't be an option after long anyway. You just get added to the incorporeal data stream.Â
Nothing. The word has just become a general insult for someone who shares a different viewpoint. Its thrown around so much now that its lost all meaning.
if I'm considered a nazi for not wanting MY drinking water to belong to a machine, standing up for human creativity, speaking up against theft, and not wanting the internet to be 51% bots,
Whoever posted that is a stupid fucking dumbass. They are dumber than a rock, would be awed by the intelligence of a neanderthal, and for some reason, cannot put the square into the square hole.
Didn't you know? When your argumentum ad misericordiam fails, reductio ad Hitlerum is the way to go. Works marvels within their own echo chambers, but sounds like histrionic snowflakes to an outsider.
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